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Re: Can someone explain to me... unsubscribed for marking a message as spam

 

I think it should be on the list because they live by Yahoo's policies. Also, btinternet, a British provider who used Yahoo services but has split off should probably be included. I don't remember if any of my group members who use btinternet have "Spammed Out."

I agree that Ymail should be on the list because this is just another name used by Yahoo.

Thanks for adding this to the wiki, I'm adding this to my Member Instructions,
Paul, Ohio, USA

On Friday, March 30, 2018, 11:16:40 AM EDT, Chris Jones via Groups.Io <chrisjones12@...> wrote:

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 05:58 am, Paul Ohio USA wrote:
From Wikipedia
"Rocketmail was a service that competed with Yahoo's own Yahoo Mail product in the 1990s. Yahoo acquired the service and later closed it; however, in 2008, Yahoo! Mail allowed users to create email accounts with 'rocketmail.com.'"
But does that mean that it ought to be in the list or not? Please clarify.

I used the phrase with the arguable exception of rocketmail because it seemed logical to include it, rather than because the name had arisen in the context of FBLs.

I think ymail.com needs to go on the list as well. I'll make a mental note to add it later.

Chris

Unwanted duplicates sent.

RickGlaz
 

I was referred FROM the beta group to here because they might think it is "operator error".
It is not, and can tell one clearly marked GUI button from another.

Instead of listing lots of steps and symptoms that ARE 'repeatable'
I'd like to ask a simple question of the members here instead.

Does anyone use the 1+1 WEBmail hosting service to reply to messages from any Groups.IO group?
AKA I have multiple Owned Domains running from there.

The opinion on the Group I'm in seems to be I am the only one with the problem.
When I joined my first listserver around the time of Win3.11(WFWG) I discovered I was not
the only person with certain problems. The is the (or "a") wonderful thing about Groups.
The others include giving or getting help.

I'm looking for ANY others with odd duplicate messages complaints.

Disclaimer:
Why I don't just post at /g/CHAD/messages is another whole personal
requirements or personal preferences story. My position is you should be able to reply
from the interface of your choice. If it does not work for some reason, the cause needs
to be looked into and corrected by the proper people.

Rick

Sent from my 1+1-WEBmail. BCC: Me
Re: Trouble with emailing images #images

 

For clarification, are they showing in the 'Emailed Photos' album?? If not, they're being uploaded and not attached.

Is there a link in the email instead of the photo?? This would be due to the setting in the email delivery of each person.? Look under your Subscription for the group, scroll down to Advanced Preferences, and expand it.? Near the bottom it will have a box for Max Attachment Size.? Any larger than that will be a link instead of the actual attachment.

You can set the default for that under Admin > Settings and choosing the Default Sub Settings button at the top and drop down to Max Attachment Size.? It won't help with current members, but will be the default for new members.

Duane
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Re: Can someone explain to me... unsubscribed for marking a message as spam

 

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 05:58 am, Paul Ohio USA wrote:
From Wikipedia
"Rocketmail was a service that competed with Yahoo's own Yahoo Mail product in the 1990s. Yahoo acquired the service and later closed it; however, in 2008, Yahoo! Mail allowed users to create email accounts with 'rocketmail.com.'"
But does that mean that it ought to be in the list or not? Please clarify.

I used the phrase with the arguable exception of rocketmail because it seemed logical to include it, rather than because the name had arisen in the context of FBLs.

I think ymail.com needs to go on the list as well. I'll make a mental note to add it later.

Chris

Trouble with emailing images #images

Caitlin Bergendahl
 

Dear friends:

Our group is new to Groups.io, and our members have been emailing photos to the group, and they show in the "Photos" section of the groups.io website page, but they do not come through in the emails or in the digest.

Any ideas what we're doing wrong?? Thanks in advance.
Re: Can someone explain to me... unsubscribed for marking a message as spam

 

From Wikipedia
"Rocketmail was a service that competed with Yahoo's own Yahoo Mail product in the 1990s. Yahoo acquired the service and later closed it; however, in 2008, Yahoo! Mail allowed users to create email accounts with 'rocketmail.com.'"
Paul, Ohio, USA

On Friday, March 30, 2018, 6:00:53 AM EDT, Chris Jones via Groups.Io <chrisjones12@...> wrote:

The sources for the list were posts on this and the beta group, with the arguable exception of rocketmail; its inclusion seemed logical given its ultimate ownership.(Being in the UK my knowledge of US and other worldwide SPs is rather incomplete.)
Chris

Re: Moderation

 

Hallelujah. This looks like the problem. A lot, though not all of the topics are moderated. I can see how to unmoderate them topic by topic, but is there a way to do them all? I had topics over a certain number of days checked. I have now unchecked that as well. (I think I thought that had to be checked so I¡¯d been gradually increasing the number of days.)

Many thanks for all the efforts people have been making, I think I am almost there!

Elizabeth

On 29 Mar 2018, at 21:18, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Have you inadvertently moderated threads? Check for gavel icons in Topics view. Are you using hashtags that were inadvertently edited to moderate their threads?
Re: Anyone else experiencing missing digests?

 

The ISP providing their email service (for the IEEE) is Telstra, the biggest Australian ISP. Of digests 200 - 294, 271, 288 and 289 were not delivered. They also missed 1 digest on another group.io group they are on. Googling, Telstra do sometimes block certain domains.

Noel
Re: Can someone explain to me... unsubscribed for marking a message as spam

 

I have added a list of Service Providers with which Groups.io is known or believed to operate FBLs to the draft wiki.?

/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam

The sources for the list were posts on this and the beta group, with the arguable exception of rocketmail; its inclusion seemed logical given its ultimate ownership.(Being in the UK my knowledge of US and other worldwide SPs is rather incomplete.)

If any members of this group have personal knowledge of other SPs operating FBLs then please edit the list accordingly; the most likely source is anecdotal evidence based on Owners & Moderators seeing members unceremoniously removed from groups they operate.

I am still awaiting details of the amended "notice to members", but hope of seeing a copy is beginning to fade.

Regards,

Chris
Re: Moderation

J_Catlady
 

Shal,

Those aren¡¯t quibbles. We are 100% on the same page.

On Mar 29, 2018, at 11:47 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

J,

A couple quibbles:

She also says (2) is not the case ...
She did say that 2 is not the case.

(she has checked her settings and claims the group is set to NuM(1)).
That's irrelevant. Moderated and New Users Moderated are independent checkboxes - they could both be checked.

And (3) can't be the case because she complains that although her
group is set to NuM(1), the same members' posts continue to come up
for approval.
That would happen if "Unmoderate After" were left set to "Not enabled" (or if she were wrong about 1 or 2). However her opening post implies that it is set to "1 approved post".

Anyway, one purpose of my screenshots is to make sure we're all talking the same language, but another is to see if that prompts anything in Elizabeth's memory (or causes double-checking) that might falsify any of the claims made so far.

Shal


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Re: Moderation

 

J,

A couple quibbles:

She also says (2) is not the case ...
She did say that 2 is not the case.

(she has checked her settings and claims the group is set to NuM(1)).
That's irrelevant. Moderated and New Users Moderated are independent checkboxes - they could both be checked.

And (3) can't be the case because she complains that although her
group is set to NuM(1), the same members' posts continue to come up
for approval.
That would happen if "Unmoderate After" were left set to "Not enabled" (or if she were wrong about 1 or 2). However her opening post implies that it is set to "1 approved post".

Anyway, one purpose of my screenshots is to make sure we're all talking the same language, but another is to see if that prompts anything in Elizabeth's memory (or causes double-checking) that might falsify any of the claims made so far.

Shal


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Re: Moderation

J_Catlady
 

In other words, sans the screenshots, the only situations in which posts require moderation are?

(1) the member is moderated
(2) the group as a whole is moderated
(3) the members are NuM (temporarily moderated)
(4) the topic being posting in is moderated.

Elizabeth swears on a metaphorical stack of bibles that (1) is not the case (I assume there's no "M" next to these members' names). She also says (2) is not the case (she has checked her settings and claims the group is set to NuM(1)). And (3) can't be the case because she complains that although her group is set to NuM(1), the same members' posts continue to come up for approval.

So if all of that is correct, the only possibility left is (4): the topics are moderated, either (a) through directly having been set to "moderated," or (b) having been indirectly set to "moderated" through use of a moderation-coded hashtag. If (a), a gavel will show up next to the topic in the topics view. However, the gavel doesn't show up in case (b). But if there are any hashtags on the thread, you would just check those.
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Re: Moderation

 
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Elizabeth,
Except that that doesn¡¯t explain why people I know have posted many times on the Yahoo group and are not listed as moderated on groups.io, including myself, are being moderated now. They were not being moderated on yahoo.

Well, this isn't rocket science, so absent some glitch in the system we should be able to figure this out if we take it step at a time.

There are two primary controls over whether a member's messages are moderated: The member's Posting Privileges, and the group's Moderated checkbox.

First the Posting Privileges, found at the very bottom of each member's page in the Members list:

If one of the Override's is selected that control's the member's posting. I recommend that you set the members you wish to be unmoderated to Default group policy, as shown above. I generally do not recommend that members be set to Override: not moderated, except possibly for a few highly trusted members.

For those members set to Default group policy the next relevant control is the group's Moderated checkbox, found on the group's Settings page:


You want the Moderated checkbox to be unchecked, as shown, for normal circumstances in your group. If a flame war or other disturbance happens in your group you can check that box to moderate the group until the disturbance is under control.

To satisfy the Spam Control criteria, at least one of the other checkboxes in this section must be checked. Generally a group would choose between Restricted Membership or New Users Moderated.

That? covers normal circumstances. There are a few other cases, but those are unusual in most groups.

The group may allow non-subscribers to post to the group, found just below the Spam Control section in the group's Settings page:


As it says, if this is checked posts from email addresses not listed in the Members list are always moderated, regardless of other settings. If unchecked those messages are rejected.

A moderator may set a particular topic to be moderated, this is found in the More menu under any message in the topic:


This is a handy way of quelling an out-of-control topic, or one that is likely to generate controversy, without resorting to moderation for all messages (the Moderated checkbox, described above). Such topics are marked with that gavel icon, as J described.

Finally (I think), a moderator can create or edit a Hashtag to have it cause messages in a topic with that hashtag to be moderated, this is found on the Edit Hashtag page:

It can be handy to have such a hashtag in the group. It allows someone who knows that the topic they wish to post might be controversial to cause their first post in the topic to be moderated. That gives moderators a pre-emptive ability to approve or reject the topic even when the posting member is not normally moderated.

Shal


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Re: Daily Digest Problem #issue

 

Thank you.? You have all been extremely helpful.?
Val
Re: I would like new members who have been approved to be able to post messages immediately without further approval.

 

Mike,

?? It won't let me uncheck the box? "New users moderated".? ?I have set it to unmoderated after 1 msg.? There is no option to set it to zero.

Uncheck New users moderated altogether.
?
Unfortunately you're copy/paste didn't show the state of the checkboxes, but note the text at the bottom of the Spam section:

Spam Control

...
To help prevent spam, groups must have at least one of these options set.

Which means you'll need to check Restricted Membership to satisfy the Spam Control criteria. That would seem to be ok given that your subject text says? "...members who have been approved..."

Don't forget the blue Update Group button at the bottom after you make the changes.

Shal


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Re: I would like new members who have been approved to be able to post messages immediately without further approval.

J_Catlady
 

We can't see from this which ones you have checked.
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Re: Importing Facebook Group info and membership list #importingdata

 

I'll actually stay with facebook as I c care less. In fact I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner.?Anyway I have over 2000 people ?my facebook, some of which are family about 500 of them and some are people I network with so leaving for me is not an option, besides I really don't give a care what happens to my data, it's ?all being ?mined and is all out there ?anyway ?and who ever finds it can easily look.
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But what the person is asking I don't think can be done, unless you do it by hand which would suck big time.

On Mar 29, 2018, at 12:43 PM, William Ll <wcarns661@...> wrote:

Sara,

?

I have a closed group setup in Facebook and when you post to the group, it puts it up on the group page and, if you are group member, you get a notice of a posting.? We have not had a lot of activity on the Facebook Group because most of our members are older and not real friendly towards Facebook. We only have 14 members in the Facebook segment of our group. Our postings do not go to individual Facebook pages.

?

Now that Facebook has become such a problem with compromised data, even those members we do have on Facebook want to leave - and I am in that group. Also, I am seriously thinking of shutting down my personal page.

?

That¡¯s what I think I know.

?

Bill

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Re: I would like new members who have been approved to be able to post messages immediately without further approval.

[email protected]
 

Here is the "settings" page.
? ?It won't let me uncheck the box? "New users moderated".? ?I have set it to unmoderated after 1 msg.? There is no option to set it to zero.
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Spam Control

Restricted Membership

Members require approval before being allowed to join the group.

Announcement Group

Only moderators are allowed to post.

Moderated

All posts require approval before being sent to the group.

New Users Moderated

Posts from new subscribers require approval.

Unmoderate After? ?? ?? ? Not enabled ? ?? ?? ? 1 approved post ? ?? ?? ? 2 approved posts ? ?? ?? ? 3 approved posts ? ?? ?? ? 4 approved posts ?? ?? ?

Automatically unmoderate new users after N consecutive approved posts.

To help prevent spam, groups must have at least one of these options set.

[Text of Settings page trimmed to relevant part by moderator]
Re: $$ Contributions

 

There's an item on the TODO list to allow charges via your group, , but no telling when that might happen.? For our club, I use Paypal, but another service might work better for you.

Duane
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Re: FW: Permanent Error

 

Looks to me like it was rejected by comcast, according to the details, so never got to groups.io

Duane
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