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Thanks, I just quit the Yahoo Group as we were all moving to "here" anyway.
That problem is solved. (Nothing NEW shows up there when no membership exists.)

I'm a little confused how a worm can affect my 1+1 WEBmail, but I really do not want
to use that anymore as it is way too much trouble here. I use Google Chrome with
almost no extensions.

It worked perfect for many years but at Yahoo I generally posted from the Yahoo Group
WEB site Message Poster Page.
OR My Yahoo branded Yahoo WEBmail account. I thought the Yahoo to Yahoo thing
might/should work better and it 'most times' did until Yahoo started circling the drain.
Plus the e-mail address was free.

The Domain I'm using is about a month or two old and has never been used with
any local client email program. This happens from multiple devices.
Those devices by design are not networked.
The entire situation is way to crazy for me.

One other thing about the odd stuff... I joined "here" using my Yahoo
WEBmail address, but as that had intermittent outages I switched my
"membership"? email address "globally"? here to what you see now.

Thanks for your help, Rick

Rick -- I'm the one who suggested you post here instead of beta in hopes that someone here might have experienced a similar issue.

If you responded to a message here and it ended up in Yahoo without any action on your part you probably have an email worm of some kind. In any event there is nothing that groups.io support can do to keep your email server/client combo at 1&1 from sending out extra emails.

Regards,
Bruce

-- Sent from my humble desktop computer

REply to #6737 by reference only.
Big change: THIS current reply is posted using the?GroupManagersForum page.

Thank you for your kind reply. I'm a very experienced user and no settings are wrong.
I mistook you for a staff member. Your answers were very good in the few weeks I
have been here.

After this it got worse.
For full disclosure, I do not do ANY type of auto forwards of any type in
any of my Domains or Email Accounts. "Keep it simple"...

That message #6737 wound up posted at Yahoo Groups as??#206538
and was not sent there by me.
All I added was the BCC.(the same address used to send this.)
This is getting crazier by the moment.
I sent from 1+1 WEBmail, to this Group, [email protected],
Not reply to all, but WITH a BCC to myself. (the same address used to send this.)
Not sure I needed that BCC.

As I said, a copy went to Yahoo and appears there.
It was apparently approved by T.H. as a courtesy because he knows
we are trying to fix this. The info it contains is WRONG there as it should not
be there. (So much for pronouns.)

I would assume I need to move up the chain and write to .IO support.
Thank you for your very detailed reply.

I'm VERY glad you have seen this before.
While I'd like to see this fixed it is becoming abundantly clear adding 1+1 into
the mix causes too many problems.

Rick
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Apprended below is a Member Notice that I created for my group to provide clarification on how attachments and photos work in groups.io. I keep this on hand to send to any individuals who need an occasional refresher.

Most of this is configurable....

-- Total storage allocation is based on your group payment plan. Free groups are limited to 1GB as indicated...you can upgrade to 10GB for $10/month.

-- What the system does when you reach your total storage limit can be changed at Admin->Settings->Message Formatting->Out of Space. I have our group set to "delete old attachments." I believe most people will find this preferable to the alternative (bounce back the messages).

If your group is bouncing back emails with images in them this may be why.

-- You can set a maximum size per photo at Admin->Settings->Photos->Max Size in Email and ->Max Size in Photos Section. I have ours set to 2048px, mainly to keep a few over-eager individuals from using up all our storage (it happens).

-- Finally, as Duane mentioned, you can set a limit on the size of attachments in an individual email at Admin->Settings->Default Sub Settings->Max Attachment Size.

Be advised that this last setting may not work the way a lot of group owners think it does. First, the system will take any image over the size limit (2048 px in my case) and downscale them. Then it adds up all the attachments in the email. If that TOTAL is over the limit (5 MB in my case), it sends hyperlinks instead of the original photos. So if your subscribers want their photos to get through unscathed, they'll have better luck sending one image per email instead of 20 images in one email...assuming you have any limit set here at all.

Also note that such hyperlinked images will not be viewable online until your subscriber logs in. Users generally expect to be able to click on a link and be taken directly to the image, and are often disconcerted when it doesn't work.

There are other settings for images in databases and the wiki which probably aren't relevant to your problem.

Hope this helps,
Bruce

Here's that Member Notice:

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Just some notes on file/photo attachments and uploads in the new GROUPNAME at groups.io.?

Files in general:?
-- All files and photos, whether uploaded or attached to emails, count against our total storage allocation (currently 1 GB).
-- Once we reach our limit, file attachments to emails will be deleted (oldest first) to remain under quota.
-- Files and photos in member archives can only be deleted manually.
-- Each file in "permanent" storage shrinks the email-attachment queue by a corresponding amount.

Photos specifically:
-- All photos are resized to 2048px or smaller in the longest dimension. This should be more than adequate for viewing online.
-- If you are concerned about loss of quality by being rescaled by the server you should do so yourself before sending.
-- Those with a real need to share print-quality images should upload them to cloud storage and send a link instead.

Email attachment limits:
-- Some email servers will refuse to deliver emails if they get too big.
-- To keep emails from bouncing, if the size exceeds 5 MB, hyperlinks will be sent instead of attachments.
-- The linked files/photos are still stored on the server and still count against our quota.
-- Because they are stored on the server, you can't view/download them without logging in.

Your second choice nails the "meat" of the problem. (Then comes all the buts...)
Thank You for being open today.

I send from 1+1, One message one time NOT TO ALL but it is repeatable to anyone I reply to
that I received through the .IO-Group. ( received AT 1+1...)

When replying to a message the last person in the message gets an ON group
reply and OFF group reply. I'm obviously involved but do NOT ask for that.

Members (and I) are saying this "CAN'T HAPPEN" but I assure you it can...
I was not able to track down IF the notation "VIA" has anything to do with this or not.
Some members are less than responsive in helping with this so I could tell you more.

To make this worse, starting yesterday, and BEFORE I first mentioned this AT 1+1,
I got e-mail bounces for SOME members showing their personal dup failed,
BUT NOT ALL the ones that were incorrectly sent. LOTS still got them.
To make all "that" worse, the guy's e-mail that bounces "this type" of message the MOST,
is one of the most nasty and uncooperative.

1+1 is also looking into that on their end, has a couple copies of different bounces,
and will get back to me. I was told it was escalated to the ADMIN Level there.
I've been on the phone with them a half dozen times.

You can have anything you want. Would group message numbers help?
Copies of the bounces?
"HERE", (this Group) is not the place I think, which is why I was just asking
the generic question, sound familiar to anyone. Thanks.

Rick

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I was referred FROM the beta group to here because they might think it is "operator error".
It is not, and can tell one clearly marked GUI button from another.

Instead of listing lots of steps and symptoms that ARE 'repeatable'
I'd like to ask a simple question of the members here instead.

Does anyone use the 1+1 WEBmail hosting service to reply to messages from any Groups.IO group?
AKA I have multiple Owned Domains running from there.

The opinion on the Group I'm in seems to be I am the only one with the problem.
When I joined my first listserver around the time of Win3.11(WFWG) I discovered I was not
the only person with certain problems. The is the (or "a") wonderful thing about Groups.
The others include giving or getting help.

I'm looking for ANY others with odd duplicate messages complaints.

Disclaimer:
Why I don't just post at /g/CHAD/messages is another whole personal
requirements or personal preferences story. My position is you should be able to reply
from the interface of your choice. If it does not work for some reason, the cause needs
to be looked into and corrected by the proper people.

Rick

Sent from my 1+1-WEBmail. BCC: Me

For clarification, are they showing in the 'Emailed Photos' album?? If not, they're being uploaded and not attached.

Is there a link in the email instead of the photo?? This would be due to the setting in the email delivery of each person.? Look under your Subscription for the group, scroll down to Advanced Preferences, and expand it.? Near the bottom it will have a box for Max Attachment Size.? Any larger than that will be a link instead of the actual attachment.

You can set the default for that under Admin > Settings and choosing the Default Sub Settings button at the top and drop down to Max Attachment Size.? It won't help with current members, but will be the default for new members.

Duane
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On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 05:58 am, Paul Ohio USA wrote:

From Wikipedia

"Rocketmail was a service that competed with Yahoo's own Yahoo Mail product in the 1990s. Yahoo acquired the service and later closed it; however, in 2008, Yahoo! Mail allowed users to create email accounts with 'rocketmail.com.'"

But does that mean that it ought to be in the list or not? Please clarify.

I used the phrase with the arguable exception of rocketmail because it seemed logical to include it, rather than because the name had arisen in the context of FBLs.

I think ymail.com needs to go on the list as well. I'll make a mental note to add it later.

Chris

Dear friends:

Our group is new to Groups.io, and our members have been emailing photos to the group, and they show in the "Photos" section of the groups.io website page, but they do not come through in the emails or in the digest.

Any ideas what we're doing wrong?? Thanks in advance.

Hallelujah. This looks like the problem. A lot, though not all of the topics are moderated. I can see how to unmoderate them topic by topic, but is there a way to do them all? I had topics over a certain number of days checked. I have now unchecked that as well. (I think I thought that had to be checked so I’d been gradually increasing the number of days.)

Many thanks for all the efforts people have been making, I think I am almost there!

Elizabeth

The ISP providing their email service (for the IEEE) is Telstra, the biggest Australian ISP. Of digests 200 - 294, 271, 288 and 289 were not delivered. They also missed 1 digest on another group.io group they are on. Googling, Telstra do sometimes block certain domains.

Noel

I have added a list of Service Providers with which Groups.io is known or believed to operate FBLs to the draft wiki.?

/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam

The sources for the list were posts on this and the beta group, with the arguable exception of rocketmail; its inclusion seemed logical given its ultimate ownership.(Being in the UK my knowledge of US and other worldwide SPs is rather incomplete.)

If any members of this group have personal knowledge of other SPs operating FBLs then please edit the list accordingly; the most likely source is anecdotal evidence based on Owners & Moderators seeing members unceremoniously removed from groups they operate.

I am still awaiting details of the amended "notice to members", but hope of seeing a copy is beginning to fade.

Regards,

Chris

Shal,

Those aren’t quibbles. We are 100% on the same page.

J,

A couple quibbles:

She also says (2) is not the case ...

She did say that 2 is not the case.

(she has checked her settings and claims the group is set to NuM(1)).

That's irrelevant. Moderated and New Users Moderated are independent checkboxes - they could both be checked.

And (3) can't be the case because she complains that although her
group is set to NuM(1), the same members' posts continue to come up
for approval.

That would happen if "Unmoderate After" were left set to "Not enabled" (or if she were wrong about 1 or 2). However her opening post implies that it is set to "1 approved post".

Anyway, one purpose of my screenshots is to make sure we're all talking the same language, but another is to see if that prompts anything in Elizabeth's memory (or causes double-checking) that might falsify any of the claims made so far.

Shal


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