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Re: How long does it take to transfer

 

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Shal:

[email protected] became a member of the group on February 27.? Per step 4 of Easy Transfer I initiated a transfer request that day.? Nothing happened for about 2 weeks so I cancelled that transfer request and submitted a new request last week and still nothing is happening from what I can see.? This is what I get if I check on the progress.



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On 3/20/2018 09:41, Shal Farley wrote:

Bruce,

I have tried to transfer my uk group several times.? Whenever I click the status button nothing has changed and all options are still available.

Usually having the options still available means you haven't clicked what I've been calling the "Go" button. But it sounds like you are not being shown that button, which usually means that the transfer agent hasn't yet accepted your invitation or joined your group.

In Step 3 you should have been sent an email with instructions. If you haven't received that it would be a further indication that the transfer agent doesn't think it is ready to begin (hasn't accepted the invite or joined).
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The transfer? is a moderator on the uk group.? What do I have to do to get a transfer going?

I'm not sure what confusion is afoot. It may be that the several attempts have confused the mechanism, or Mark, somehow. I'm also not sure how long the queue is in the two places in the mechanism where you might wait. But regardless the evidence you have indicates to me a confused state. If it has been more than a couple days since the last action I'd write to [email protected] to see if you're just waiting or if you needed to be unstuck somehow.

Shal
problems with cox.net accounts?

 

Bruce,

Thanks for the responses and suggested resolutions! TLD isn't incorrect; that's the correct appendage for Cox subscriber email. I'm not sure what resolved the problem, but over the last 36 hours, "missing" messages have been delivered FIFO, and are now caught up. Test messages appear with minimal delay. Several of our group members had complained to Cox; maybe that brought it to their attention.

Best regards,
-Dave
Questions from a new group owner

Mark Kline
 

I sent these questions to the developer, but he deflected them to this forum:



1) Is there any such thing as "Urgent" or "Priority" emails that go out
right away, regardless of how the users set up their subscription options?
2) Say we upgrade to a paid account now, transfer all our members and data
over from a Y!group, and then at some point in the future, there is no
longer money to maintain the paid subscription.
If at that point, we downgrade to a free account, would we lose any
existing members or data?
3) Is it true that to use the Calendar integration with Google Calendar,
the user does NOT need a groups.io login?
4) How about a Wiki? Do you need a login to view and/or edit a wiki?

Thanks,
Mark Kline
Re: #moderation once a week I get a post from a member that requires moderation unnecessarily #moderation

 

I'd double check the #cal-notice hashtag.? The noreply@ source and having to approve it sounds like it may be set to Moderated.

Duane
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Re: #moderation once a week I get a post from a member that requires moderation unnecessarily #moderation

Southenders Admin
 

Thanks Frances and Duane

Both were good thoughts, but the one of the topics was a new EVENT created by a member, and while I have 34 hashtags in my group, none of them are moderated. I am wondering if new events (both posted by moderators) must be approved somehow --
Norm
Re: #moderation once a week I get a post from a member that requires moderation unnecessarily #moderation

 

Is there by any chance a hashtag on the message that is set to be moderated?? I ran into that a couple of times.

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Re: #moderation once a week I get a post from a member that requires moderation unnecessarily #moderation

 

Norm, once I inadvertently made a thread moderated. If you go to a message, click on the down arrow at the bottom right of the message, the first option in the menu is to make the topic become moderated. I had wanted to make it a sticky - a different option. When I had to moderate the first new message in that topic, I fixed it.
Perhaps that?

Frances
#moderation once a week I get a post from a member that requires moderation unnecessarily #moderation

Southenders Admin
 

About once a week, I get a message like this
"A message was sent to the group ... from [email protected] that needs to be approved"

I have no message moderation on my site, and does not agree with the guidelines that should cause moderation on my site. The people sending the email are members.

But the email I get goes on...

"This action requires your approval for one of the following reasons:

  • Your group is set to moderate all activity from this user, OR
  • Your group is set to moderate activity from all users, OR
  • This is a reply to a thread that is moderated"


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Re: How long does it take to transfer

 

Bruce,

I have tried to transfer my uk group several times.? Whenever I click the status button nothing has changed and all options are still available.

Usually having the options still available means you haven't clicked what I've been calling the "Go" button. But it sounds like you are not being shown that button, which usually means that the transfer agent hasn't yet accepted your invitation or joined your group.

In Step 3 you should have been sent an email with instructions. If you haven't received that it would be a further indication that the transfer agent doesn't think it is ready to begin (hasn't accepted the invite or joined).
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The transfer? is a moderator on the uk group.? What do I have to do to get a transfer going?

I'm not sure what confusion is afoot. It may be that the several attempts have confused the mechanism, or Mark, somehow. I'm also not sure how long the queue is in the two places in the mechanism where you might wait. But regardless the evidence you have indicates to me a confused state. If it has been more than a couple days since the last action I'd write to [email protected] to see if you're just waiting or if you needed to be unstuck somehow.

Shal
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Re: Can someone explain to me... unsubscribed for marking a message as spam

 

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I haven't had any trouble with groups.io emails, but I definitely have a few others where this happens.? For examples, I get emails from Panera Bread reward program, sometimes they get through and other times they end up in the spam folder.? Who knows?why.

Barb

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On 2018-03-20 09:19 AM, Chris Jones via Groups.Io wrote:

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 06:02 am, Paul Ohio USA wrote:

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This raises two possibilities (perhaps more), the first being that the member's ESP is entirely capricious in the way it determines something as being spam; the second is that it is not the message from Groups.io per se that upsets it, but something within the email, even the identity (email address) of the originator of the message, i.e. the other member.

It's something of a Donald Rumsfeld moment; we don't know what we don't know.

Or at the very least I don't...

Chris
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Re: Can someone explain to me... unsubscribed for marking a message as spam

 

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 06:02 am, Paul Ohio USA wrote:
I would think that it could be programmed to override this and set to "No Email." Sent a note to the member and owners to rectify the situation. Almost the same as what happens now with sending a rejoin that probably goes to spam & an unsubscribe that goes to the owner.
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I will not attempt to guess what can or cannot be (easily?) programmed. Your point about the "rejoin" message is a good one though; in the most recent incidence on the Group for which I am a moderator the alleged spam went to the user's spam box, and started the trouble, while the rejoin message went to his inbox as normal. If it had gone to spam then he wouldn't have known anything until I emailed him separately from any Group influence.

This raises two possibilities (perhaps more), the first being that the member's ESP is entirely capricious in the way it determines something as being spam; the second is that it is not the message from Groups.io per se that upsets it, but something within the email, even the identity (email address) of the originator of the message, i.e. the other member.

It's something of a Donald Rumsfeld moment; we don't know what we don't know.

Or at the very least I don't...

Chris
Re: Disappearing highlighting

 

Steve,

1. The post on our site shows NO HIGHLIGHTING.

2. But the email that members receive from the site CONTAINS THE GREEN AND YELLOW HIGHLIGHTING.

The on-site display in the Messages section is somewhat paranoid about what types of HTML it will allow through to your browser window. Mainly this is to prevent scripting or other potential exploits in the HTML code, but it is possible that it could affect style coding as well.

I don't know how the highlighting is implemented in the message in question, but you could cite the group name and message number in an email to [email protected] to see if it is safe and could be allowed.

Shal


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Re: Can someone explain to me... unsubscribed for marking a message as spam

 

Hi Chris,
I would think that it could be programmed to override this and set to "No Email." Sent a note to the member and owners to rectify the situation. Almost the same as what happens now with sending a rejoin that probably goes to spam & an unsubscribe that goes to the owner.

Paul, Ohio, USA

On Tuesday, March 20, 2018, 7:57:51 AM EDT, Chris Jones via Groups.Io <chrisjones12@...> wrote:

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 04:35 am, Jeremy Harrison wrote:
The question I have is why are they unsubscribed, rather than set to 'No Email'?
I floated that idea the other day, but another member of this group pointed out that he had "no emails" disabled, and of course other groups might do the same.

Finding an approach that causes the least confusion to the greatest number is not straightforward.

Chris

Re: How long does it take to transfer

 

I'm in the same situation as Robert, having initiated a transfer on March 9th. When I select the Yahoo group name from the In Process drop down it goes to the Easy Yahoo Group Transfer page with a blue 'Update Transfer' and red 'Delete Transfer Request' button and with all the selection buttons ticked and blue. I'm thinking to delete it and start again...

Stew
Re: Can someone explain to me... unsubscribed for marking a message as spam

 

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 04:35 am, Jeremy Harrison wrote:
The question I have is why are they unsubscribed, rather than set to 'No Email'?
I floated that idea the other day, but another member of this group pointed out that he had "no emails" disabled, and of course other groups might do the same.

Finding an approach that causes the least confusion to the greatest number is not straightforward.

Chris
Re: Can someone explain to me... unsubscribed for marking a message as spam

 

The question I have is why are they unsubscribed, rather than set to 'No Email'?
Re: bouncing

J_Catlady
 

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 12:05 am, Shal Farley wrote:

Sounds good in principle, but I always prefer to test when practical
Shal,
I was referring only to principle (i.e., intended and documented functionality). It's never a bad idea to test whether things are functioning as intended. :)
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Re: bouncing

 

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J,

Shal, no need to test it. There's no question about this.

What had me concerned was joining a group and then seeing this:



In conjunction with a left side that had buttons only for the Home and Subscription pages. But I subsequently realized that the test was flawed: that address would also have been NC (it was not a valid address).

"Bounced" just means that groups.io stops sending emails to the address. It does nothing at all with regard to group membership or accessibility.

Sounds good in principle, but I always prefer to test when practical. In this case though I haven't sufficient doubt to propel me.

Shal
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Re: bouncing

J_Catlady
 

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 11:28 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
J is probably right that they still can. I haven't recently created an email address, joined to a group, and then deleted it to observe the detailed behavior when the address gets set to bouncing, and ultimately bounced.
Shal, no need to test it. There's no question about this. "Bounced" just means that groups.io stops sending emails to the address. It does nothing at all with regard to group membership or accessibility.
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Re: bouncing

 

Marina,

So, they wouldn't even be able to read group posts online.
J is probably right that they still can. I haven't recently created an email address, joined to a group, and then deleted it to observe the detailed behavior when the address gets set to bouncing, and ultimately bounced.

I'm not sure at what time they went bouncing.
That's a point. It would be helpful for cases like this if the Bouncing view of the Members list had a "Bouncing Date" column that could be sorted to separate the newly bouncing from those that have been that way longer. Either in addition to the Join Date or as a replacement for it.

I sent a bulk bounce probe some days ago, but they are all still there
with a red B.
That may well mean that those addresses are indeed bad (de-activited, abandoned, whatever).

Actually, three new members joined the bouncing group.
Mark reported in beta that he's modified the processing of some type of rejection codes/messages in an attempt to keep Yahoo Mail users from being promptly set to bouncing as a result of Yahoo Mail's glitches. But who knows, some of the rejections might be legit.

Shal


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