Re: Help items for general use
I would be interested in participating but not being in charge.? I really think a detailed Help option is very much needed. ? Janice B AZ ? ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Bellizzi
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:25 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [GMF] Help items for general use ? While it's really great that we each have a Wiki for each of our groups, I've come to the conclusion that the newbie to groups.io really has little in the way of how to take advantage of one of the primary advantages I see to groups.io; the ability to 'get' to the group via browser without requiring a specific domain email address as Yahoo did. ?This is truly an open environment. But it isn't clear to the transferee from Yahoo or the newbie with little group-type experience how to get started and the Help menu isn't much help even if you get online. ?Mark is handling every aspect of groups.io both as super admin and as a business owner and likely hasn't had free time to build some little help notes for things like getting on line the first time; replying to a message online, creating a new message online and even when not to use reply. ?If Mark had time I think help would have included things like this. I'm also very sure that we, as owners and moderators, have also experienced the lack of time but have built these things, "lo, these many times" but for all of our duplication they are not available to the newbie and first time onliner. Would anyone be interested in forming a special interest group that could work on some of these items based on our experience? ?Possibly generate some useful help items for Mark? Bob Bellizzi, Fuchs Friends, online support group for The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation
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Help items for general use
While it's really great that we each have a Wiki for each of our groups, I've come to the conclusion that the newbie to groups.io really has little in the way of how to take advantage of one of the primary advantages I see to groups.io; the ability to 'get' to the group via browser without requiring a specific domain email address as Yahoo did. ?This is truly an open environment. But it isn't clear to the transferee from Yahoo or the newbie with little group-type experience how to get started and the Help menu isn't much help even if you get online. ?Mark is handling every aspect of groups.io both as super admin and as a business owner and likely hasn't had free time to build some little help notes for things like getting on line the first time; replying to a message online, creating a new message online and even when not to use reply. ?If Mark had time I think help would have included things like this. I'm also very sure that we, as owners and moderators, have also experienced the lack of time but have built these things, "lo, these many times" but for all of our duplication they are not available to the newbie and first time onliner. Would anyone be interested in forming a special interest group that could work on some of these items based on our experience? ?Possibly generate some useful help items for Mark? Bob Bellizzi, Fuchs Friends, online support group for The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation
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Welcome, Jill. I'm glad you made the transition okay. I think you'll find this is a much?more useful group to start with. We hope you find it suitable.
Dano
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Jill,
> Thank you for your replies. I have joined the Beta group David (as you
> suggested) but someone else had previously advised against it due to it
> possibly being confusing if you are not of that ilk. I'm not and have
> found the messages so far way beyond me, so I will switch to no email
> from that group and ask any further basic questions here. Is that okay?
It is more than ok, it is recommended - by owner of the beta list as well as myself (owner of this list).
Shal
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Re: How to add a ToC to your wiki pages
LeeAnne, Yes making those 0.0 things was the numbers level (did not understand
what that was - thought it might be a limit on how many "topics" you
could have) As I think you've discovered, it sets the nesting depth for the TOC; from h1 down to the number you set. I normally use 1 or 2, I haven't had a document large enough for 3 or more to make sense. I do remember seeing it in the past and just NOW found the crazy thing! Heh, yes. I see you've put a yellow highlight on the "magic wand" that is the style tool. Why are snips suddenly fuzzy? The same snip pasted in an email message
was clear and sharp. Images pasted inline in a message body are automatically resized if they are taller or wider than 640 pixels. Images attached as files may be resized, according to a group setting. Shal
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Jill, Thank you for your replies. I have joined the Beta group David (as you
suggested) but someone else had previously advised against it due to it
possibly being confusing if you are not of that ilk. I'm not and have
found the messages so far way beyond me, so I will switch to no email
from that group and ask any further basic questions here. Is that okay? It is more than ok, it is recommended - by owner of the beta list as well as myself (owner of this list). Shal
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Re: How to add a ToC to your wiki pages
Lee Anne,
I gave up on the TOC ages ago. I'm not calling it fully functional yet.
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Thank you for your replies. I have joined the Beta group David (as you suggested) but someone else had previously advised against it due to it possibly being confusing if you are not of that ilk. I'm not and have found the messages so far way beyond me, so I will switch to no email from that group and ask any further basic questions here. Is that okay? I'm new to all this so if I'm asking in the wrong groups - please feel free to tell me! Best wishes, Jill Sent from my iPad On 16 Jul 2016, at 21:48, David P. Dillard wrote:
Yahoo forces Group users for full participation in their Groups to have an Yahoo email account or Yahoo Group users will have problems. This is because email is a major Yahoo service and a way to get eyes to their advertising. To date, unless I have missed something, and I am certain I have not, Mark Fletcher is just running a Group service that is to date free and Groups.IO does not offer or outsource its email service. It simply does not have any email service and permits the use of any email server with lists on Groups.IO. You will also never find a Groups service in which the owner pays so much attention and communicates personally and on Beta and GroupManagers to solve the needs of his users. If you join and participate in Beta as I indicated to you privately earlier, you will learn a lot more about Groups.IO features, services and problemss as Beta is a very active group. I also think you would be hard pressed to find group owners who share as much information, ideas and wishes for service improvements as you will find here. If something is not working for you, you can speak up on one of these groups or to Mark in person and there is a good chance it will be changed, if it meets the needs of others as well or does not harm them and is within the realm of possibility. By the way did you find anything in the Google search link for Groups.IO that helped with instructions on how to use this service?
Everyone have a great weekend.
Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@...
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Re: How to add a ToC to your wiki pages
On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 05:56 pm, Shal Farley wrote: Did you perhaps make those paragraphs h4 style, and not have any h1, h2 or h3? I can reproduce your results that way, as long as I also set the number of levels up to 4. ?Yes making those 0.0 things was the numbers level (did not understand what that was - thought it might be a limit on how many "topics" you could have) However I could absolutely not find style anywhere in the list of tools. ?So I just copied your text from the example and typed over it. ? I do remember seeing it in the past and just NOW found the crazy thing! ?(okay maybe I'm the crazy thing)
Okay now here is another question! Why are snips suddenly fuzzy? The same snip pasted?in an email message was clear and sharp.?
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Re: How to add a ToC to your wiki pages
Okay I've figured it out. ?Just didn't understand what all the numbers were for when adding the Toc. ?Choose 1 and you get proper numbers, choose more and you get the 0.0.0.stuff -?
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Re: How to add a ToC to your wiki pages
LeeAnne, I tried to follow your directions for putting a ToC in a wiki page.
Things didn't work so well: ... Interesting. Did you perhaps make those paragraphs h4 style, and not have any h1, h2 or h3? I can reproduce your results that way, as long as I also set the number of levels up to 4. Any ideas what I need to do? Start at h1 style and descend from there? I know it looks huge, but that's what the TOC mechanism uses. Unfortunately the style selection in Groups.io's wiki is rather limited. I've just learned to live with it. A blatently missing piece is the photo insert toolbar button. Mark knows, but hasn't gotten the round tuit yet. You can use the code view tool to insert <img> tags that reference images hosted within the group or externally, but that's rather wonkish. Shal
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On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 12:50 pm, The Ingle family. wrote:
2. Can you attach photos to emails to send to the group?
I'd like to clarify Shal's answer. Each group owner can decide if attachments are allowed on any specific group. Some allow it and some don't. GMF does. Duane
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Re: How to add a ToC to your wiki pages
Hello there Shal, I tried to follow your directions for putting a ToC in a wiki page. ?Things didn't work so well:? Any ideas what I need to do??
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Jill, 1. Am I correct in understanding there is no need to create any sort of
account when joining? An account is created for you automatically the first time you type in your email address (or send a +subscribe command by email, or reply to an invitation by email). E.g. As you know, with Yahoo you have to create a Yahoo account (unless
opting for email only) In Groups.io whatever email address you use is your account ID for log in - you don't need to create a new account name or ID specific to Groups.io. I'm waffling but in short is this correct - you join groups IO with your
own email address simply and easily without needing to create any
accounts or new email address? Groups.io doesn't run its own email service, so no you don't create a new email address there. You use whichever address at whatever service you prefer. A nifty feature of Groups.io is that you don't even need to set a password for yourself (though you can if you prefer to). When you type in your email address at the site you are prompted to verify your email address - the site sends you an email with a link in it. When you click that link you are logged into the site for 30 days. While you're logged in you can go to your profile and set a password if you like, or when your 30 days is up you can just have the site send you another login email. This is real handy on mobile devices, where typing a strong password can be a chore. 2. Can you attach photos to emails to send to the group? Yes, either posting by email or posting on site. Shal
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Yahoo forces Group users for full participation in their Groups to have an Yahoo email account or Yahoo Group users will have problems. This is because email is a major Yahoo service and a way to get eyes to their advertising. To date, unless I have missed something, and I am certain I have not, Mark Fletcher is just running a Group service that is to date free and Groups.IO does not offer or outsource its email service. It simply does not have any email service and permits the use of any email server with lists on Groups.IO. You will also never find a Groups service in which the owner pays so much attention and communicates personally and on Beta and GroupManagers to solve the needs of his users. If you join and participate in Beta as I indicated to you privately earlier, you will learn a lot more about Groups.IO features, services and problemss as Beta is a very active group. I also think you would be hard pressed to find group owners who share as much information, ideas and wishes for service improvements as you will find here. If something is not working for you, you can speak up on one of these groups or to Mark in person and there is a good chance it will be changed, if it meets the needs of others as well or does not harm them and is within the realm of possibility. By the way did you find anything in the Google search link for Groups.IO that helped with instructions on how to use this service?
Everyone have a great weekend.
Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@...
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2016, The Ingle family. wrote: Hi Shal,
Thank you. I do like the look and feel of it all. I've read as much as I can and for now and I have two questions (I'm sure there will be more later!)
1. Am I correct in understanding there is no need to create any sort of account when joining? E.g. As you know, with Yahoo you have to create a Yahoo account (unless opting for email only) and you need to create a yahoo email address (even though there is the option to swop the email address over to your own once created). I'm waffling but in short is this correct - you join groups IO with your own email address simply and easily without needing to create any accounts or new email address?
2. Can you attach photos to emails to send to the group?
Best wishes,
Jill
Sent from my iPad
On 16 Jul 2016, at 01:13, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Hi Jill and welcome!
There isn't anything as organized as an "Intro to Groups.io" document, but Groups.io does have a fledgling help system, the link to it is in the bottom bar of all Groups.io pages, the URL for it is:
Unfortunately some of the information there is already out of date, so use with caution. It's a danger with a (relatively) rapidly evolving service. In fact an update to the look-and-feel of many aspects of the site was just pushed this afternoon, so that's even more likely.
You can also find a grab-bag of information in GMF's wiki - it is our goal to be a helpful resource to Groups.io moderators and have information there that supplements what's in the site's Help system. For a link to the Wiki, see the list of group resources in the left column when you're in any group's pages. While you're visiting GMF's pages that list will be GMF's resources. The URL for GMF's wiki is: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki
Feel free to suggest more Wiki topics, or to write them! Writing a wiki page uses a composition window that's nearly identical to that used when composing a New Topic or Reply on site, so it is pretty easy to do.
One informal convention you might see used when comparing Groups.io features to Yahoo Groups features is to "decorate" a group name to indicate which service. Hence I can say that in GMF@ the list of group resources is on the left, like classic Y!Groups, whereas at Y!GMF they are across a bar near the top, the "Neo" style.
Shal
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Hi Shal,
Thank you. I do like the look and feel of it all. I've read as much as I can and for now and I have two questions (I'm sure there will be more later!)
1. Am I correct in understanding there is no need to create any sort of account when joining? E.g. As you know, with Yahoo you have to create a Yahoo account (unless opting for email only) and you need to create a yahoo email address (even though there is the option to swop the email address over to your own once created). I'm waffling but in short is this correct - you join groups IO with your own email address simply and easily without needing to create any accounts or new email address?
2. Can you attach photos to emails to send to the group?
Best wishes,
Jill
Sent from my iPad
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On 16 Jul 2016, at 01:13, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Hi Jill and welcome!
There isn't anything as organized as an "Intro to Groups.io" document, but Groups.io does have a fledgling help system, the link to it is in the bottom bar of all Groups.io pages, the URL for it is:
Unfortunately some of the information there is already out of date, so use with caution. It's a danger with a (relatively) rapidly evolving service. In fact an update to the look-and-feel of many aspects of the site was just pushed this afternoon, so that's even more likely.
You can also find a grab-bag of information in GMF's wiki - it is our goal to be a helpful resource to Groups.io moderators and have information there that supplements what's in the site's Help system. For a link to the Wiki, see the list of group resources in the left column when you're in any group's pages. While you're visiting GMF's pages that list will be GMF's resources. The URL for GMF's wiki is:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki
Feel free to suggest more Wiki topics, or to write them! Writing a wiki page uses a composition window that's nearly identical to that used when composing a New Topic or Reply on site, so it is pretty easy to do.
One informal convention you might see used when comparing Groups.io features to Yahoo Groups features is to "decorate" a group name to indicate which service. Hence I can say that in GMF@ the list of group resources is on the left, like classic Y!Groups, whereas at Y!GMF they are across a bar near the top, the "Neo" style.
Shal
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Hi Jill and welcome! There isn't anything as organized as an "Intro to Groups.io" document, but Groups.io does have a fledgling help system, the link to it is in the bottom bar of all Groups.io pages, the URL for it is: Unfortunately some of the information there is already out of date, so use with caution. It's a danger with a (relatively) rapidly evolving service. In fact an update to the look-and-feel of many aspects of the site was just pushed this afternoon, so that's even more likely. You can also find a grab-bag of information in GMF's wiki - it is our goal to be a helpful resource to Groups.io moderators and have information there that supplements what's in the site's Help system. For a link to the Wiki, see the list of group resources in the left column when you're in any group's pages. While you're visiting GMF's pages that list will be GMF's resources. The URL for GMF's wiki is: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiFeel free to suggest more Wiki topics, or to write them! Writing a wiki page uses a composition window that's nearly identical to that used when composing a New Topic or Reply on site, so it is pretty easy to do. One informal convention you might see used when comparing Groups.io features to Yahoo Groups features is to "decorate" a group name to indicate which service. Hence I can say that in GMF@ the list of group resources is on the left, like classic Y!Groups, whereas at Y!GMF they are across a bar near the top, the "Neo" style. Shal
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Hello :)? I have many questions but I'm wondering if there is a file, or something similar, to read first? Jill?
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Re: Do message #'s stay the same when you transfer from Y!?
Thank you all! I've asked Mark directly. I'll see what info i can find out. Maria
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Re: clearing custom invites
ok, finally got it to update by refreshing the whole page via the browser refresh.?? I think a "save changes" button for the custom invite would be a lot more intuitive and easier
Ro
with Sally and Silk waiting at their feed dishes, and Handy, Feliz &? Police Kitty patrolling in the Great Beyond.
Subject: [GMF] clearing custom invites To: [email protected]From: recarlton@... Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 13:58:56 -0700 My custom invite, inserted by my moderator, wont clear from the message.?? There doesnt seem to be a "save changes" on the invite page.?? any advice Ro
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Re: clearing custom invites
Hmm, looks like something got broken somewhere along the way. It used to be that as you typed in the Custom area, it changed in the Invitation box above so you could see what it looked like. I can get rid of it in the Custom box by refreshing the page in the browser, but it never disappears from the Invitation box and comes back next time I go to the Invite page. Looks like a problem for Support.
Duane
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