I think you'd have to look in logs for whether a message was approved by a moderator. This information is not currently included in the header, because that would cause it to be available to all members. Whether of not to include it was the basis of a very recent discussion in beta, with Mark deciding to forego putting that info in the header due to strong feelings by some moderators about not letting all members know which members' messages are moderated and which are not (I.e., who in the group is on moderation and who is not in an unmoderated group).
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On Jul 26, 2016, at 9:58 AM, Marlin47@... wrote:
Janice, I have one possible explanation.?
I own a couple of freecycle groups, that are moderated.
There have been times where I have approved a message, only to
notice that the message has not come through the group, maybe for
6 to 8 hours.
So, I approve it again, only to see it come through twice within a
minute or two, both with the same time stamp.
If other messages were approved in the meantime, then there would
be messages between the two identical messages.
Your clue would be to look at the complete header and note whether
the messages had to be approved by a moderator, and if so, check
the time they were approved, it will probably show two different
times if the situation was like I described.
Otherwise, I would not know.
Marlin
On 7/26/2016 8:25 AM, weebeequilting wrote:
Why are there sometimes duplicate threads? ?Sometimes they are
listed one below the other and sometimes there are other threads
in between. ?I have checked and the spelling and wording of the
thread titles are exactly the same. ?
Thanks for any clues about this.
Janice B
AZ
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Janice, I have one possible explanation.?
I own a couple of freecycle groups, that are moderated.
There have been times where I have approved a message, only to
notice that the message has not come through the group, maybe for
6 to 8 hours.
So, I approve it again, only to see it come through twice within a
minute or two, both with the same time stamp.
If other messages were approved in the meantime, then there would
be messages between the two identical messages.
Your clue would be to look at the complete header and note whether
the messages had to be approved by a moderator, and if so, check
the time they were approved, it will probably show two different
times if the situation was like I described.
Otherwise, I would not know.
Marlin
On 7/26/2016 8:25 AM, weebeequilting wrote:
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Why are there sometimes duplicate threads? ?Sometimes they are
listed one below the other and sometimes there are other threads
in between. ?I have checked and the spelling and wording of the
thread titles are exactly the same. ?
Thanks for any clues about this.
Janice B
AZ
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Why are there sometimes duplicate threads? ?Sometimes they are listed one below the other and sometimes there are other threads in between. ?I have checked and the spelling and wording of the thread titles are exactly the same. ?
Thanks for any clues about this.
Janice B AZ
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Re: Question about Public Profiles
Thanks Shal,
I got concerned when things were posted about a public profile, and I prefer to be less easy to find online. :)
I deleted it, and feel a lot better.
Brenda
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Re: Question about Public Profiles
Brenda, Can someone tell me what would happen if I delete the profile name from
my profile? If you delete the Profile Name (formerly known as the "User Name") then your profile will no longer be accessible by others. Wherever your content appears (such as message posts) your Display Name is shown as the author. If you have a Profile Name set, then your Display Name becomes a link to your Profile (and your Profile name is part of the URL under that link). With no Profile name set there is no link, and your Display Name appears as plain text. The information other people can see at your profile (if you leave it viewable) is: o your Display Name and Photo (which of course they see anyway), o your Profile Name, o the date you joined Groups.io, and o a list of the group memberships you have. I believe that list includes only groups which are listed in the Groups.io directory, but that should be double-checked if it is important to you. I don't even remember putting it there, but if I did, and it
causes my profile to be viewable, I would like to prevent that. Delete it then. Shal
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Question about Public Profiles
Disclaimer: I haven't managed to catch up in here yet, so I've not read in quite awhile, sorry if I ask something that has been handled already.
Can someone tell me what would happen if I delete the profile name from my profile? I don't even remember putting it there, but if I did, and it causes my profile to be viewable, I would like to prevent that.
Thanks,
Brenda
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Re: Procedure for submitting/approval of Wiki item
Bob,
?At the top level I don't
see two items that I would expect in a system
?like the GMF Wiki:
- How to submit, receive approval and insert new Wiki item
- How to suggest modification of Wiki structure.? (Not that I need
this but most document systems I'm familiar with have built-in processes
described for modifying the system. viz Engineering Change Management
System)
I hadn't thought of formalizing a process for editing GMF's wiki.
Time will tell if something like that is needed.
At the moment, as Duane said, it works like any other wiki: anyone with
write permission can add or edit pages. And at the moment, in GMF this
means any member.
That said, the section "Advice to Group Members" could use more
comprehensive how-to information on the wiki feature of Groups.io.
Despite the success of Wikipedia and some other public wikis it is
probably true that most people have never considered authoring wiki
content.
Shal
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Re: Procedure for submitting/approval of Wiki item
The Wiki here on GMF can be modified by group subscribers, so there's not really a procedure to follow. You go to the page, make the changes, and save them. If there's a major problem, a moderator can delete the new page so it reverts to the older one. Anyone can edit them to correct errors they notice. There's a place on the edit page to add a note of what was done.
For a new page, you just create it and it becomes part of the Wiki and shows in the drop down list of pages. The person that created the page can add a link on the main page if they're comfortable with doing it. If not, someone else can add it later.
Duane
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Procedure for submitting/approval of Wiki item
At the top level I don't see two items that I would expect in a system like the GMF Wiki: - How to submit, receive approval and insert new Wiki item
- How to suggest modification of Wiki structure. ?(Not that I need this but most document systems I'm familiar with have built-in processes described for modifying the system. viz Engineering Change Management System)
Bob Bellizzi
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Re: Help items for general use
I like bold and I like the title you picked. It makes sense; its a familiar phrase that you often see when you buy a new piece of hardware (If you actually look at the documentation). Bob Bellizzi
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Re: Help items for general use
Bob, I think I owe you a bit of apology. I had not thought this idea out
very much but felt it had to be verbalized since I haven't found any
real help for members who have not yet gone online to use groups.io. Not a problem. That lack has been nagging at me as well, but I've suffered a round tuit deficit. Most of my volunteer time for the next few weeks will be soaked up by my PTA activities; school registration is when we sign up the bulk of our members and so it will be a few intense days at the high school for me. Possibly a subgroup might be a good idea but i think you would also have
to have a division in the Wiki as Frances suggested it prepare for
future easy identification of possible member help information that we
might convince Mark to include in his zendesk stuff. I'm open to suggestion on the sub-group idea. Some advantages are that it could have a members-only archive (GMF main's is public) and be less formal and less moderated than the main group. That would also spare the main group members from a bunch of details that might bore anyone that isn't working on the pages. I've acted on the idea of having a newbie section in the wiki home page. Next will be to put some content in it. BTW I have told Mark of this. Cool. It never hurts to have friends in high places ;-) He's actually seen GMF's wiki before, in the context of the subgroup discussion in beta@. /g/beta/message/7105Shal
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Re: Help items for general use
Bob, Nothing for the poor newbie. I agree that a specific top level pair of
Member and Group Owner/Moderator would give all of us what a good
forking point. I've added a new (aspirtional) header to GMF's wiki, So now we have: Quick-Start Guide Advice to Group Members (maybe this needs a more compelling title?) Best Practices for Group Management I also did a bit of touch-up reformatting, and put the h1 style on the section headers. H1 seems a bit bold, but it is the right place to start for the later addition of a table of contents, should we ever have enough content there to need one. See if that seems like an appropriate division to you. As I mentioned in my earlier reply, GMF's wiki is public-readable so anyone might find it and read it. Or feel free to give newbies a link to it: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiI would be glad to provide both procedures as add in text here to
individual messages. That way anyone who wishes could try them out with
only simple modification. Awesome! Thanks. Shal
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Re: Help items for general use
Janice, I would be interested in participating but not being in charge. As a GMF member you can contribute content to the wiki. The existing pages could always use proofreading and updating, or use the New Page button to start a new topic. When you think the topic is ready to be "published" you can add a link to it on the wiki home page, or ask me to do that for you. Meanwhile, you can get back to your page through the "Pages" drop-list. I really think a detailed Help option is very much needed. Me too. Even Mark agrees, which is part of why he added a link to GMF from the beta@ home page. Shal
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Re: Help items for general use
Hi Bob,
> Sticking the aides in an internal Wiki is
> less effective than making them
> available on the Help
> thingy.because that's the only place
> available to them until they actually get
> online.
Actually, GMF's wiki is publicly visible, so moderators can freely pass out links to relevant pages to people who haven't joined yet nor logged in.
Shal
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Re: Help items for general use
Shal, I think I owe you a bit of apology. ?I had not thought this idea out very much but felt it had to be verbalized since I haven't found any real help for members who have not yet gone online to use groups.io. Possibly a subgroup might be a good idea but i think you would also have to have a division in the Wiki as Frances suggested it prepare for future easy identification of possible member help information that we might convince Mark to include in his zendesk stuff. BTW I have told Mark of this.
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Re: Help items for general use
Thanks for the idea Frances. ?But a cursory look at the TOC in the Wiki indicates all of the info is currently for current and new group owners/moderators. Nothing for the poor newbie. ?I agree that a specific top level pair of Member and Group Owner/Moderator would give all of us what a good forking point. I personally like member rather than participant which smells a bit offstandish and powerless. ?Member seems to imply more gravitas to me. I would be glad to provide both procedures as add in text here to individual messages. ?That way anyone who wishes could try them out with only simple modification. Bob
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Re: Help items for general use
I am aware of your work here and at someplace we used to be; was it called "soontobeverzonmaybe"? I think it's too soon to consider starting a sub group. ?I just floated it here after a short conversation with Mark and actually writing two very short procedures for our members who either are newbies or members of our group at yahoo which is essentially the same thing. Sticking the aides in an internal Wiki is less effective than making them available on the groups.io Help thingy.because that's the only place available to them until they actually get online. ?I guess it would be ok to use the Wiki here to propose, review, stage and offer them to Mark. But we would first need consensus from some group managers that they are needed and at lease some would try them out on their groups. Bob
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Re: Help items for general use
Bob, Would anyone be interested in forming a special interest group that
could work on some of these items based on our experience? Possibly
generate some useful help items for Mark? I've been promoting GMF's wiki as a gathering place for such information: both information for moderators, and information for moderators to share with their members. And discussion about the content of such would be on topic here, for the most part. If people want a more focused special interest group, I'd be happy to make a subgroup in GMF for the purpose. I've been short of round tuits lately, but let me know if there's anything I can do to help advance this cause. Shal
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Re: Help items for general use
Hi I am interested in theory, but will be busy for the next few weeks.? I looked at the Help available from the Groups.io home page and it is more aimed at those wanting to start a group rather than participants. A modest proposal - start by looking at the content already there and separate it into something like GroupManager and Participant. It is possible that as a start, Mark would be willing to put in this breakdown.? Frances
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Re: Help items for general use
I would be interested in participating but not being in charge.? I really think a detailed Help option is very much needed. ? Janice B AZ ? ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Bellizzi
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:25 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [GMF] Help items for general use ? While it's really great that we each have a Wiki for each of our groups, I've come to the conclusion that the newbie to groups.io really has little in the way of how to take advantage of one of the primary advantages I see to groups.io; the ability to 'get' to the group via browser without requiring a specific domain email address as Yahoo did. ?This is truly an open environment. But it isn't clear to the transferee from Yahoo or the newbie with little group-type experience how to get started and the Help menu isn't much help even if you get online. ?Mark is handling every aspect of groups.io both as super admin and as a business owner and likely hasn't had free time to build some little help notes for things like getting on line the first time; replying to a message online, creating a new message online and even when not to use reply. ?If Mark had time I think help would have included things like this. I'm also very sure that we, as owners and moderators, have also experienced the lack of time but have built these things, "lo, these many times" but for all of our duplication they are not available to the newbie and first time onliner. Would anyone be interested in forming a special interest group that could work on some of these items based on our experience? ?Possibly generate some useful help items for Mark? Bob Bellizzi, Fuchs Friends, online support group for The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation
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