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Re: A Transferred Attachment

 

Shal,

I was looking at the wrong email that I gave you information on, as a few replies before that email I found the right one.

The image was done by another person, and they told how they did it. They "composed message with Rich Text Editor function. Drag/dropped photo into message editor." He was using Firefox on a Mac.

Don
Re: A Groups.io group used as a mirror for an existing, other mailing list. Is this feature offered?

 



On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 10:17 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Lawrence,

> It would need to provide a unique user ID to use to subscribe the
> mirror group to the mirrored list.

 Sounds like something an Email Integration could do.

Hello Shal:

What is that and how is it done?

That generates a unique email address which could be subscribed to the mirrored list, and which is allowed to post in the Groups.io list.

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If there was any way to generate such an email address, that would do it.

I'm not sure how the mirrored messages are attributed - that is, I don't know if they appear to be "From" the integration address or the address of the original poster to the mirrored list.

Probably From the poster's ID rather than from the list (posting ID)
Here is a sample of a post I made tonight:
The first is the message in the online archives:
The second is from the archives or the mirroring group's archives at Google Groups:
and here it is in the Groups.io archives to which I manually posted the message:

?It seems that in all three cases the poster's ID is designated in the From header.

I would like to subscribe the Groups.io Permaculture Group to the ibiblio permaculture mailing list, which the Google Groups permaculture Group is already subscribed (and grandfathered in to continue using the mirroring feature, which Google has now discontinued).

Shal

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Re: Site Updates - How Does He Do It! #testimonials

 

On 02/18/2018 01:41 AM, Don wrote:

Th only thing in life that is guaranteed, is death and taxes.
Death is the only thing that is guaranteed.

I know of one country that has neither an income tax, nor a property
tax, nor a sales tax.

jonathon
Re: A Transferred Attachment

 

Shal,

The full size image.

The body of the message page was just text. The image linked back to the message page.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Shal Farley
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 7:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] A Transferred Attachment

Don,

> If the image was embedded into the email could that make a difference?

I'm not really sure.

What landed in Emailed Photos - just the one thumbnail, or the full size image, or... ?

And what was included in the body of the Message's page?

Shal


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Re: A Transferred Attachment

 

Don,

If the image was embedded into the email could that make a difference?
I'm not really sure.

What landed in Emailed Photos - just the one thumbnail, or the full size image, or... ?

And what was included in the body of the Message's page?

Shal


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Re: A Groups.io group used as a mirror for an existing, other mailing list. Is this feature offered?

 

Lawrence,

It would need to provide a unique user ID to use to subscribe the
mirror group to the mirrored list.
Sounds like something an Email Integration could do. That generates a unique email address which could be subscribed to the mirrored list, and which is allowed to post in the Groups.io list.

I'm not sure how the mirrored messages are attributed - that is, I don't know if they appear to be "From" the integration address or the address of the original poster to the mirrored list.

Shal


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Re: Groups.io site updates #changelog

 

Shal,
In DON we tried to devise fool-proof (or sailor-proof) plan, but in our management systems we found that
the only systems that had problems were those run by the computer system experts...

KEN

"It has always seemed strange to me," said Doc. "The things we admire in
men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, understanding and feeling
are the concomitants of failure in our system. And those traits we detest,
sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meanness, egotism and self-interest are
the traits of success." STEINBECK - CANNERY ROW

On 2018-02-17 17:44, Shal Farley wrote:
Don,

Or are updates a never ending thing?
There's an old saying in computer science to the effect that the only
complete and error-free program is one that nobody uses.
The observation is that any software that is in regular use ends up
being used for things the author never anticipated - and so unexpected
behaviors ("bug reports") and new requirements ("feature requests")
are endlessly generated. I wish I could dig up the source on that one.
Then there's this gem:
"There are two ways to write error-free programs; only the third one
works."
Alan Perlis, "Epigrams on Programming"
Back in the late seventies I took a class on programming in APL from
Dr. Perlis. The quote is very much apt of his humor.
Shal
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A Groups.io group used as a mirror for an existing, other mailing list. Is this feature offered?

 


A Groups.io group used as a mirror for an existing, other mailing list. Is this feature offered?

Google Groups offered this for a while then discontinued it while grandfathering those already using this feature.

It would need to provide a unique user ID to use to subscribe the mirror group to the mirrored list.

Is this offered now or in future plans for the free service or pay.
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Re: Upgrading from basic to premium

 

Thanks.?? I don't know why I didn't see that earlier.

Sara

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 4:23 PM, Walter Underwood <wunder@...> wrote:
On the group page, choose Admin on the left-hand side menu, then Upgrade below that.

For a new group, you can choose "Start a Group" with a particular plan on?/static/pricing

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Re: Groups.io site updates #changelog

 

Shal,

That's pretty funny stuff...lol

Don
Re: Site Updates - How Does He Do It! #testimonials

 

"I may as well fret that Kia will sell off its US operations and leave me with inferior maintenance and warranty for my hamster car. I'm sure many Saturn owners will answer that with, "well, yeah".

I'm a Saturn owner, and I can attest GM dealerships still work on past lines of cars...They can still work on my 1970 Chevy C-20 if I needed them too.

Don
Re: Site Updates - How Does He Do It! #testimonials

 

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¡°After a couple of years without profit or supposedly faced with substantial costs to update their technology, the new owners have decided to cut their losses.¡±

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The theory in the Groups.io model is, paid subscribers will pay for the free subscribers and more. If there is enough volume in paid subscribers, it will offset the free subscribers and Mark¡¯s overhead, and Mark will make a living.

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Don
Re: Groups.io site updates #changelog

 

Don,

Or are updates a never ending thing?
There's an old saying in computer science to the effect that the only complete and error-free program is one that nobody uses.

The observation is that any software that is in regular use ends up being used for things the author never anticipated - and so unexpected behaviors ("bug reports") and new requirements ("feature requests") are endlessly generated. I wish I could dig up the source on that one.

Then there's this gem:

"There are two ways to write error-free programs; only the third one
works."
Alan Perlis, "Epigrams on Programming"

Back in the late seventies I took a class on programming in APL from Dr. Perlis. The quote is very much apt of his humor.

Shal


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Re: Site Updates - How Does He Do It! #testimonials

 

"What assurance do we have that the same thing might not happen with groups.io, except being bought out by maybe another company instead of Yahoo?"

Th only thing in life that is guaranteed, is death and taxes.

Don
Re: Groups.io site updates #changelog

J_Catlady
 

Never ending.

On Feb 17, 2018, at 4:42 PM, Don <dgrass1@...> wrote:

Since Mark does updates every week will there ever be a time when he does not have to update? Or are updates a never ending thing?

Don
Re: Groups.io site updates #changelog

 

Since Mark does updates every week will there ever be a time when he does not have to update? Or are updates a never ending thing?

Don
Re: A Transferred Attachment

 

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Shal,

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I can bring up the image by clicking on the thumbnail, but I don¡¯t know if that will give me any pertinent information. After I found the email with the three thumbnails below the text, I started wondering if all the images were done at the same time, in the same way, why didn¡¯t I get all three images instead of just one. Whatever that person did with his post couldn¡¯t be an isolated occurrence (Or could it be?), that they or no one else had not replicated in 18 years of posts. If the image was embedded into the email could that make a difference?

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Don

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Shal Farley
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 10:26 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] A Transferred Attachment

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Don,

> I did find the post, and there were really three images attached. When
> I clicked on the thumbnail in the post and clicked on Inspect I copied
> this.
> <div class="att-thumb grey has-thumb" data-imgurl="
> ...> Does that tell you anything?

I think it tells me that that particular image, thinlite cover.JPG, was picked out by Yahoo! Groups and replaced with a link to it as an attached image file. This looks like code for a thumbnail of the image at the bottom of the message, and notably the thumbnail is an "http" style image, not itself an attachment. The thumbnail is still stored there:




Note, in this message the thumbnail is a "cid" image, I did that rather than "http" in case the image isn't available later.

So, no, from this particular code snippet I'd say we only saw a demonstration of what I expected: "http" images are not attachments.

You might have to have saved this message in your email folders to have it as a "pristine" example, unmodified by Yahoo Groups.

Shal


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Re: The Transfer Message

 

Yes, that would be the thing to do, but, as I said, when dealing with people all sorts of surprises can occur, even with the simplest of things. For example, when I asked this individual to subscribe to the new groups.io group to test it out he couldn't do it. I provided the subscribe email address but he kept deleting, or his system kept deleting, the +subscribe part of the address. Even after pointing this out to him he still couldn't see it. I then went to another very high quality person. He essentially did the same thing. Somehow the '+' was replaced with '%2B' and he couldn't see the error when the message came back saying the group does not exist. It is so simple to do. Just copy the email address from the message I sent them. I don't understand it. I know that if I include a warning statement prior to the move, some people will not have understood it, or forget it by the time it takes place which could be days a week. For example, it is now two days since I informed transfer to move the small astronomy group and it still has not happened.
Stan

On 2/17/2018 3:37 PM, Duane wrote:
To help minimize the unsubs, you could include the information in the Welcome message that would also be sent (you could change it to something more appropriate for your group after the move.) That, along with an announcement in your YG, seems about the best you can do.

Duane
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Re: The Transfer Message

 

To help minimize the unsubs, you could include the information in the Welcome message that would also be sent (you could change it to something more appropriate for your group after the move.)? That, along with an announcement in your YG, seems about the best you can do.

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Re: Upgrading from basic to premium

 

On the group page, choose Admin on the left-hand side menu, then Upgrade below that.

For a new group, you can choose "Start a Group" with a particular plan on?/static/pricing

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