i added a “colored box after members name” to wiki. Could someone complete/correct the actions needed for me?

Nancy

Thanks. While the section had great info, it didn't give me an answer.
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I experienced the same thing, then three days later "[email protected] was
added to my Yahoo groups. In the meantime I had already done a manual
invite. Yahoo is screwy!

I would create at least one subgroup when you create the list because creating the subgroup changes the address of the main group:

Initial group name: [name]@groups.io

Subgroup created: facilities@[name].groups.io

After subgroup created the main list becomes: main@[name].groups.io

Messages to [email protected] are still delivered but when the directions use one name and that name is changed to something else, people get confused. Logically, two names means they are two different things.

It’s also hard to go back and correct all the references in the instructions to the new name. That happened to me yesterday when I had shortened the name of a brand new list and didn’t realize that the intro message still had the old name. When the first member tried to visit the group’s website using the links, the site said the group didn’t exist.

Most important is that after the subgroup is created, you can change “main” to another name which makes more sense to your group. For members who never use the subgroups, or even don’t know they exist, “main” means nothing. It’s also confusing to have an address changed midstream to main@[name].groups.io when that has not been the naming convention at Yahoo, etc., where they have 20 years of experience.

Do it before you write any directions and make any announcements.

Sharon
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"Save Our Planet. It's the only one with chocolate."

I attempted to invite [email protected] to a yahoo discussion group, but I get a message that says "Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content."

I believe "content" is the [email protected] email address I entered in the dialogue box to invite members.

For the io group to be able to move all the members from the yahoo discussion group to the new groups.io discussion group, [email protected] needs to be a member and moderator of the yahoo group but I cannot send the invite to [email protected]. Will [email protected] respond to a personal email message to join?
Sincerely,
Stan Gorodenski

My advice would be to create at least one sub-group before the migration (if not too late for you) - so your 'primary' group is already established logically as a sub-group of your group (which it will become when the first sub-group is created), and avoid potential confusion for your members if this change happens after the migration.

Norm,

I created a message to my trial group. The first time I posted it, the
message showed up in my site message list, but did not go out as an
email.

Are you certain of that? Perhaps it was delivered to your spam folder, or some other location of your email service's choosing.

I have set that topics must include a hashtag, and in the first
iteration, I added the hashtag behind the subject.

Another possibility is that the hashtag you used has the No Email option checked. That would prevent email distribution of the message.

See the help section J cited for details:
/static/help#hashtags

When I reposted the message placing the hashtag at the front of the
subject, the post and email went through correctly to all members.

Was it the same hashtag?

Must the hashtag come first, before the subject?

No. In fact typical usage is to put them at the end.

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Rachel,

I never unsubscribed from this list yet I received 2 emails that I was
being removed because I deleted some mail that was in my spam folder.

If the member did in fact delete group messages while they were in his/her spam folder then the unsubscription is normal.

The answer is to always remove group messages from your spam folder if they are delivered there, and never put them there.

Why would this be part of the list software?

Because the member's email service demanded it be so. They told Groups.io that the member had marked a list message as spam, and they expect Groups.io to stop sending messages to that address.

It is unfortunate that some email services treat deletion from the spam folder as equivalent to marking it as spam. Particularly unfortunate when both the delivery to the spam folder, and the eventual deletion from it may be done by the email service without any action by the member.

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Marv,

Can the archives from a Y! group be transferred into a subgroup?

Yes.

If so, what is the recommended procedure?

Follow the usual procedure for transferring the special interest Y!Group to groups.io, and in the "Go" email name the subgroup as the destination.

See also this note at the bottom of the transfer instructions:
"NOTE: If the new group is a subgroup at Groups.io, you will receive two
transfer notices, one for transfering the members to the parent group,
and one for transfering the members to the subgroup (all members of a
subgroup must be members of the parent group)."

One issue is ownership of the subgroup. I am listed as owner and
moderator of the subgroup. The main group has several other owners and
moderators. I would like to make them owners and moderators of the
subgroup also,

Owners of the primary group are implicitly owners of every subgroup. That is, they have access and control whether listed in the subgroup's Members list or not.

but they don't appear on the join list. How do I handle this?

"Join list"? Assuming you mean the subgroup's Direct Add page, those already explicitly added to the subgroup aren't listed for Direct Add. But those not in the subgroup's Members list ought to be in it's Direct Add list.

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Nancy,

One of my two red Bs answered, she didn’t change email, she’s now
blue. ... She said she’d changed passwords “that’s all”.

I don't know if that alone should have changed her from red to blue, but I suppose it might have.

What does she do?

While her status is blue B ("bouncing") Groups.io will periodically send her a notification. She should respond to one of them - that will take her out of bounce processing altogether.

Now what, wait ?

1) Click on her row in the Bouncing list (anywhere except the checkbox) and then click the Email Delivery History button at the top.

This should provide information about why her email address is deemed to be bouncing. Under Recent Bounces, the Reason column will include the three-digit code and text explanation provided to Groups.io by her email service.

For example, one of the red B ("bounced") addresses here in GMF has this Reason:
"550 5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not exist.
Please try double-checking the recipient's email address for typos or
unnecessary spaces. Learn more at
/mail/?p=NoSuchUser w16-v6si1314530plp.276 - gsmtp"

In this case it is pretty clear that I'd be unable to contact that person off-list, not unless I knew another means of contact.

1a) In your member's case the Reason might indicate something that could be fixed. You could copy that and send it to her so that she can inquire about it with tech support for her email service.

2) Tell her to look for notifications from Groups.io in her spam folder or anywhere else her email service may be delivering them.

3) Optionally, manually send her another bounce probe.

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Dennis,

We have many old posts, for example, meeting notices that would be
nice to purge. Is it possible to do this after the transfer by
"subject" or other bulk deletion?

There is no bulk deletion mechanism. I'm pretty sure it has been discussed in the beta group. This is the closest I find in the official to-do list:

Or, should we delete before transfer? As you know,
deleting B4 is a tedious and lengthy process.

Yeah, I wouldn't bother deleting before. Maybe just wait for a bulk operation to become available.

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Dave,

It is not always clear why it has been edited, sometimes for trivial
typos, and usually only serves to increase the email inbox size (which
seems to have been quite high for this group of late!).

One can always click on the View/Reply Online link at the bottom of the emailed message, then on the right side click the Edited button, then the Compare Revisions button. For example, this message:
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/3576

I think that in the case of an edit the comparison page should be emailed rather than the new message. In most cases that would make it clear whether the edit was trivial (e.g. spelling correction) or meaningful (e.g. inserting the missing word "not" or otherwise changing the meaning of the post). The downside is that the comparison is text-only, with the original formatting stripped, which in some cases may make it hard to read.

I'd also like access to the comparison from the pending edit.

Can we turn this option off - maybe on an individual basis (ie 'I
don't want to receive edited messages')?

That could be a dangerous choice in the case of an edit that changes the meaning of an important message. Safer is the option J fought for, to disable edits by members.

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Many thanks, a setting I hadn't noticed. I have turned off editing in
my 3 groups, will wait to see if anybody complains..

Dave

On 15 Feb 2018 at 0:09, J_Catlady wrote:

Yes, you can turn it off in your group. It was a hard-won battle in
beta, but now even Mark has turned it off there.

I apologize for editing a message here today. I am so used to doing it
as a moderator in my group - moderators have the option to edit a
message without sending the edited message to the group - that I forgot
about the ramifications. I at least would have filled in the ~reason for
editTM box.

ITMve turned editing off in my own group for just the reasons you cite,
and was a hardcore early supporter of the option to disable it.

开云体育

Yes, it’s possible. You specify exactly what you want transferred as a step in the transfer process.

Hello,

my yahoo group has hundreds of fotos of no more existing members. But deletion of fotos is a mess in yahoo groups, some of them impossible to delete. So I?d rather exlude fotos from being transferred to groups.io. Is this possible? Or does transfer mean all or nothing?

Regards

Victoria

Yes, you can turn it off in your group. It was a hard-won battle in beta, but now even Mark has turned it off there.

I apologize for editing a message here today. I am so used to doing it as a moderator in my group - moderators have the option to edit a message without sending the edited message to the group - that I forgot about the ramifications. I at least would have filled in the ‘reason for edit’ box.

I’ve turned editing off in my own group for just the reasons you cite, and was a hardcore early supporter of the option to disable it.

I agree. I rejected a person's introduction as it was too short. They just said, and I kid you not, "hi." I told them to maybe ask a question then introduce themselves or something like that. I also reject "test" "testing" etc.

Take care

On Feb 14, 2018, at 6:50 PM, Sharon Villines <sharon@...> wrote:

What about just putting new members on moderated status until the post an introduction. Some people like to feel comfortable before they introduce themselves. Introducing yourself in the unknown can be weird. What do I say? How much is too much.

If they are on moderation, you can check to see if have posted an introduction and if they haven’t remind them. I think it would be less work.

Sharon

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groups.io has a feature where people can edit existing messages in the
archives and a new version of that message is then distributed to the
group. The edited messages start with 'edited message follows'.

I can see the value of this, and it has happened several times today on
this group. But as an email only user I find it somewhat confusing,
quite often opening the edited version (or versions...) before I have
opened the original. It is not always clear why it has been edited,
sometimes for trivial typos, and usually only serves to increase the
email inbox size (which seems to have been quite high for this group of
late!).

Can we turn this option off - maybe on an individual basis (ie 'I don't
want to receive edited messages')? Of course I know the answer will be
no...

Dave