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Re: TA-members list messages cluttered

 

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On 2023-08-02 10:31, Steve M via groups.io wrote:
The first member to complain about this problem said it had been going on for about a month, so before Mark made the change mentioned on the Beta group.

No, what I meant is that Mark made a change now to remove or exclude some of the X- headers from the DKIM signature, maybe that was causing the problem all along but now that he removed/disabled them it may not cause the problem anymore.

Cheers,
Christos
Re: TA-members list messages cluttered

 

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 10:09 AM, Steve M wrote:
The first member to complain about this problem said it had been going on for about a month
Is it possible that in the second case it was a member quoting one of the 'malformed' emails?

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Re: TA-members list messages cluttered

 

Hi Christos
The first member to complain about this problem said it had been going on for about a month, so before Mark made the change mentioned on the Beta group.

I've asked the members who are getting corrupted messages for some background to see if there is a common point, as well as senders of messages that gets corrupted.? If it throws up anything I'll share.
Steve M
Re: TA-members list messages cluttered

 

Interesting this popped-up again, we had another instance of it recently, /g/GroupManagersForum/topic/some_subscribers_have_issue/100278090, and Outlook (routing at least?) seems to also be involved there.

I wonder if the change Mark did here in the headers, may had been intermittently causing this.

Cheers,
Christos
Re: TA-members list messages cluttered

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Steve M. wrote:

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>I have also been made aware that some people on a list I moderate are having the same problem - an example is below, hopefully with personal info hidden.? The actual message is in bold.

Yes, this is exactly the sort of thing I have been getting.

Christine


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Re: TA-members list messages cluttered

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Thanks, Duane. I¡¯m new to this group and appreciate all tips and suggestions.

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Just to clarify, so far I¡¯ve received two messages in the format in question, from different senders.

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On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 05:38 AM, CHRISTINE SHUTTLEWORTH wrote:

Recently I have found some messages from the TA-members list arriving in my inbox with full internet headers and other unwanted garbage included.

I'd suspect it's the email program of the person that sent the message.? You'll need to get more information to be certain.? You could post some of it here, but be sure to remove anything that may identify a specific individual.

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Re: TA-members list messages cluttered

 

I have also been made aware that some people on a list I moderate are having the same problem - an example is below, hopefully with personal info hidden.? The actual message is in bold.

Steve M


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Hi,

We have quite a list of aircraft (Cessna, Piper etc) of which we lack the c=
onstruction numbers. Could any help us out?



With kind regards,

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Re: TA-members list messages cluttered

 

On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 05:38 AM, CHRISTINE SHUTTLEWORTH wrote:
Recently I have found some messages from the TA-members list arriving in my inbox with full internet headers and other unwanted garbage included.
I'd suspect it's the email program of the person that sent the message.? You'll need to get more information to be certain.? You could post some of it here, but be sure to remove anything that may identify a specific individual.

Duane
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TA-members list messages cluttered

CHRISTINE SHUTTLEWORTH
 

Recently I have found some messages from the TA-members list arriving in my inbox with full internet headers and other unwanted garbage included. Other messages from the same list have been arriving as normal.

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Have others had this experience, and what can be done about it?

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Thanks, Christine

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Re: Member removed due to SPAM

 

Two most common ones, internet provider don't like it ,OR, the person receiving, assume spam and mark as such,?


On Mon, Jul 31, 2023, 6:02 PM Bruce Bowman <bowman46118@...> wrote:
On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 06:11 PM, Califdan wrote:
...if someone sees something they think is SPAM and clicks a button to that effect, they (not the spammer) get's removed?? If that's the case it sure sounds odd to me.
I agree it appears odd on the surface, but in fact it makes total sense. By marking a legitimate mailing list message as spam, you've essentially told Yahoo that you don't want receive any more "messages like this." Yahoo in turn informs , who dutifully complies with the request and removes you.

See??for more details.

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Re: Member removed due to SPAM

 

On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 06:11 PM, Califdan wrote:
...if someone sees something they think is SPAM and clicks a button to that effect, they (not the spammer) get's removed?? If that's the case it sure sounds odd to me.
I agree it appears odd on the surface, but in fact it makes total sense. By marking a legitimate mailing list message as spam, you've essentially told Yahoo that you don't want receive any more "messages like this." Yahoo in turn informs groups.io, who dutifully complies with the request and removes you.

See??for more details.

Regards,
Bruce
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Re: Member removed due to SPAM

 

Califdan,

The last line in Christos' note is the most important because if the non-spam is just moved to in box, the email system will continue to mark any other emails as spam until it is "Taught" that they are not spam. This may take a few iterations depending on how many were marked as spam.

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On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 06:12:30 PM EDT, Christos Psarras <christos@...> wrote:


The majority of online email providers (including Yahoo) have the Delete and Spam/Junk button right next to each other so it's easy for someone to accidentally hit the latter when they meant to just delete the message.? So make sure to tell that person to check their spam/junk folder and if they see a message from groups.io there to mark it as not-spam/junk.
Cheers,
Christos
Re: Member removed due to SPAM

 

Thanks all for your guaidance.??

I did, in fact look that the Onwers Manual, as well as the Members Manual, but the sections on handling spam didn't answer my quesitons.

thanks again

Dan
Re: Member removed due to SPAM

 

On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 05:11 PM, Califdan wrote:
if someone sees something they think is SPAM and clicks a button to that effect, they (not the spammer) get's removed?? If that's the case it sure sounds odd to me.
Yes, but that's the way many email services are set up.? Some, I think Yahoo is one, even tell members to mark things as spam if it's from a list they don't want to be on any more.

Duane
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Re: Member removed due to SPAM

 

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The majority of online email providers (including Yahoo) have the Delete and Spam/Junk button right next to each other so it's easy for someone to accidentally hit the latter when they meant to just delete the message.? So make sure to tell that person to check their spam/junk folder and if they see a message from groups.io there to mark it as not-spam/junk.

Cheers,
Christos
Re: Member removed due to SPAM

 

Califdan,

The person who reported it as spam may not know that their email client marked it as spam and the marking as spam may not have been in software in their PC.?

Their ISP may have been the culprit here and will need to be the one to remove the filter which marked it as spam. (I also do not see anything spam-like if the message.)?

Duane is spot on with; "Lots of detailed information can be found in the?Owners Manual?and?Members Manual."

Put

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On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 04:56:14 PM EDT, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:


On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 03:43 PM, Califdan wrote:
I'm very confused here.? Who posted the culprit message?? Who reported it as SPAM?? and who was removed from the group.?
Someone (you) posted the message, the person that received it marked it as spam, and they were removed from the group.? (Note that they marked it as spam, not that it necessarily was.)? They would have received a followup email letting them know and there's a link in it to resume membership.? If they did that before you looked, they'd still show as a member.? All covered in the site FAQ.

Duane
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Re: Member removed due to SPAM

 

Thanks Duane.? ?

Sorry to be poorly informed, but if I understand you correctly, if someone sees something they think is SPAM and clicks a button to that effect, they (not the spammer) get's removed?? If that's the case it sure sounds odd to me.

Dan
Re: Member removed due to SPAM

 

On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 03:56 PM, Duane wrote:
Someone (you) posted the message
Sorry, it was Sanja that posted it.

Duane
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Re: Member removed due to SPAM

 

On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 03:43 PM, Califdan wrote:
I'm very confused here.? Who posted the culprit message?? Who reported it as SPAM?? and who was removed from the group.?
Someone (you) posted the message, the person that received it marked it as spam, and they were removed from the group.? (Note that they marked it as spam, not that it necessarily was.)? They would have received a followup email letting them know and there's a link in it to resume membership.? If they did that before you looked, they'd still show as a member.? All covered in the site FAQ.

Duane
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