Re: Uncertain future for .io domains?
On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 02:08 PM, b&p wrote:
repatriate our individual groups' files to us
A group owner can do that at any time, just export everything.? May not be a bad idea to do it at least once per year. Duane -- Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.
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Please Help! I am the owner of our group. I have stopped receiving notices unless they are addressed to me directly. My account is set to receive single posts, so I should be receiving all of the 50+ posts a month from our group. I am concerned from that members maybe experiencing this but not be aware of it. They may think the group is dying, which it is not. Recently, my receiving notifications of posts had slowed, with increasing lag time between posting the message and notification of it being posted in my email. Sometimes taking hours after the original post even if I was the OP creating the new topic. ? I checked my email delivery history inside groups.io and found this: mail.georgedell.com: 550 "JunkMail rejected - web01.groups.io (mail01.groups.io) [66.175.222.12]:53336 is in an RBL on rbl.websitewelcome.com, see Blocked - see Is it groups.io IP address or my account with groups.io that is blacklisted? Or something else? Here is what spamcop.net reports:?
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66.175.222.12 listed in bl.spamcop.net (127.0.0.2)
If there are no reports of ongoing objectionable email from this system it will be delisted automatically in approximately 18 hours.
- System has sent mail to SpamCop spam traps in the past week (spam traps are secret, no reports or evidence are provided by SpamCop)
Express-delisting is not available
In the past 77.9 days, it has been listed 13 times for a total of 11.9 days
If you are the administrator of this system and you are sure this listing is erroneous, you may request that we review the listing. Because everyone wants to dispute their listing, regardless of merit, we reserve the right to ignore meritless disputes.
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Re: Allow groups.io messages to be more personal
Thanks for the response. I'll check out those links.
I am not trying to hide the identity in outgoing emails. I would in fact mention it in my personal welcome message, but I'd like the message to be phrased in the first person by me. I suspect your links will allow me to do that.
I just tried updating the tag field to make it not empty, but rather contain a single space character. The Update functionality then accepted it. So this might be an adequate solution to that problem.
-P.
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Re: Uncertain future for .io domains?
I'm not worried. I understood that Mark started e-Groups (been with it since
then) and sold to Yahoo. Ran Yahoo until they were sold to AOL and the started
Groups.io and transferred our groups over after making him a moderator with full
privileges.
(Corrections encouraged)
Arno
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Re: Allow groups.io messages to be more personal
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Allow groups.io messages to be more personal
I recently started a group ( [email protected]) to send announcements about my gigs to interested parties. It's a "premium" group to which I've added a bunch of my friends. Several have?opted out because the canned welcome notice and a few other things make?the announcement group?look and sound so much like some kind of social-media or formal work-related site. I've been at pains to explain to some of my friends that neither the case, but I'd not have had to do this if the welcome message and other features could have been personalized.? The way I had been sending notices out was to simply send them from my personal email, adding the long list of recipients to the bcc: field each time. This is laborious and error prone, so I liked the idea of because of easy unsubscription and maintenance. Based on changes that Mark was able to make (see my recent postings to the beta group), I now have my group behaving the same way as my emails in most or all essentials; viz.: - Only moderators and owners can post new topics.
- Regular users can respond to posted topics.
- Responses made to posted topics go directly to the author of the post.
So what's missing? The personal touch! - Custom welcome message. I see that GMF has one, but I didn't see any way I could create my own. Is there a way I can do this for?my?group?
- The language in the canned Welcome message is offputting for a group such as mine. Language like "You have been added by the?Groups.io?Team to?Peter Shenkin Gigs."?has the air of officialese, especially since approximately nobody who gets the welcome based on my "direct adds" is likely to have ever heard of , and as soon as they read it they think it is spam.
- I would instead replace the whole message with something that I have written myself, as myself, using language like "I have added you to this mailing list thinking you might be interested", and so on. After all, it's really I, not , who was responsible for adding the user.
- Be able to get rid of the tag. For my group, it?is totally unneeded. My group already sends out email as from "Peter Shenkin Music", so the tag is redundant.?
- I tried setting the tag to an empty field in Settings, but this just restored?the default [peter-shenkin-gigs] tag. I replaced it with "Peter Shenkin Music: ", which is more user friendly, but still redundant, because that information is already in the From: of the email, which is immediately?visible to the user.
- I've looked at what other musicians do in their gig announcements. None of them include a tag in the Subject:. All of them have sufficient identification in the From: address to avoid confusion.
- This one could be solved by simply?allowing an empty tag field to do what it says: eliminate the tag!?
None of the suggestions I am making would be appropriate for all groups; I am a member of a group where I find the tag inoffensive, but that group is a discussion group and people understand from the start that some 3rd-party infrastructure is involved.
I would like to make my group look and feel as personal as the emails I used to send out, and IMO, there ought to be a way to do that.
If anyone has workarounds for replacing the entire Welcome message with a personalized one or for eliminating the tag, I'd appreciate it.
Thank you,
-P.?
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Re: Uncertain future for .io domains?
I read the article, and perhaps it will turn out to be a tempest in a teacup. Yes, it's an ethical issue to a point, but there are a lot more practical?things that I think the world needs to deal with first. If Groups.io is able to continue as it is, then I think we should. If not, I will trust the group owners to either come up with something or repatriate our individual groups' files to us.
Just my two cents - or two pence, depending on where you are....
Paul co-owner of a private
A member of my group contacted me about this article, which he defined an ethical issue, expressing his worries about the possible future of .io domains.?
I don't know if this has been already discussed here.
Any thoughts?
Marina
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Re: Uncertain future for .io domains?
The article is from 2019 when there was some issues about post-Brexit (maybe). See this newer article: See disadvantages and conclusion.
The Dominion .io used to be solely one of the country code TLDs, specifically for sites in the Indian Ocean. However, it is no longer country-specific, as Google recognizes it as a generic top-level domain, serving a much larger audience.
Frances -- Help available from Groups.io help and GMF wiki.
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Uncertain future for .io domains?
A member of my group contacted me about this article, which he defined an ethical issue, expressing his worries about the possible future of .io domains.?
I don't know if this has been already discussed here.
Any thoughts?
Marina
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Re: Polls: change existing poll to allow multiple choices
#poll
Aha! Just noticed that 'More' button at the bottom of the poll.?
Many thanks for your assistance... still navigating the management UI as I recently inherited a group.
On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 10:34 AM, Philippe Laurent wrote:
change an existing poll with entries from a single choice (radio button) to multiple choice
Just go in and edit the poll, then Update.
Duane
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Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.
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Re: Polls: change existing poll to allow multiple choices
#poll
On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 10:34 AM, Philippe Laurent wrote:
change an existing poll with entries from a single choice (radio button) to multiple choice
Just go in and edit the poll, then Update. Duane -- Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.
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Polls: change existing poll to allow multiple choices
#poll
I would like to be able to change an existing poll with entries from a single choice (radio button) to multiple choice.
Possible?
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Re: subgroup used for an event, registered people, now that event concluded I want to share messages with parent group and delete the subgroup
#subgroup
On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 11:32 AM, stephanie j wright wrote:
both options say messages viewable only by sub-group
That's because you made the subgroup messages private when you created them.? Once made private to the subgroup, you can no longer make them visible to parent group members.? This is a sticky point for some.? Once a message archive is made private, it can't be made public later.? There should be a popup reminding you of this when you choose any private setting. Duane -- Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.
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Re: subgroup used for an event, registered people, now that event concluded I want to share messages with parent group and delete the subgroup
#subgroup
On 05 June 2023
17:01:14 (+01:00), stephanie j wright wrote: "change Visibility to "Group listed in parent group, messages
viewable by parent group members".
That is what I planned to do
- but it isn't one of the option in the sub-group privacy settings.
The
only choices I get are: listed/not-listed in parent group, but both options
say messages viewable only by sub-group.
As
with public/private visibility, once you set the archive visibility you can
only further restrict it, you cannot extend its visibility.
Malcolm.
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Malcolm Austen --
malcolm.austen@...
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Re: subgroup used for an event, registered people, now that event concluded I want to share messages with parent group and delete the subgroup
#subgroup
"change Visibility to "Group listed in parent group, messages viewable by parent group members".
That is what I planned to do - but it isn't one of the option in the sub-group privacy settings.
The only choices I get are: listed/not-listed in parent group, but both options say messages viewable only by sub-group.
I have read the manuals, and searched archives - but was sure that either I didn't understand, or was doing something wrong, particularly since the option you suggest, which I also gleaned from my reading, don't seem to be available.
Thanks for the help.
Since it is a small number of messages, I will manually copy them out into a document and create a single message that I can post to the parent group. Then I will just delete the sub-group altogether.
Looks like sub-groups won't be useful - as I had hoped - for temporary, private, attendee communication and resources for one-time events.
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Re: subgroup used for an event, registered people, now that event concluded I want to share messages with parent group and delete the subgroup
#subgroup
On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 06:37 AM, stephanie j wright wrote:
In a day or two, I will removed everyone from the sub-group, except the subgroup owner and retire the group. BUT would like to share the archive with the larger parent group - but I don't see any way to do that.
In the subgroup, on the Settings page, in the Privacy panel, change Visibility to "Group listed in parent group, messages viewable by parent group members".? If you don't want further messages posted, go to the Spam Control panel and change it to Announcement-Only Group.? After saving those settings, you could post a message in the main group that includes a link to any of the topics/messages in the subgroup for folks to use to get there.
Even better, I'd to like move the whole message archive (it's only about 20 messages and a few photos) into the parent group and delete the subgroup altogether.
There's no current way to move things between the main and subgroups.? It has been though. Duane -- Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.
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Thanks folks - before I saw? your comments, I headed out of town for the morel mushroom foray I was helping coordinate - and where I was using the mobile App.
I was using the mobile App, not the web page in a browser.
[However, my experiments Safari, once logged in to groups.io, it pops me straight into the mobile App when I select a group that I belong to.]
The suggestion to turn my phone for landscape mode does help with better layout and general visibility - but the text is still too small. [I have chosen 12 pt for this message - that works for me, the 11pt is a strain.]
On a positive note - I can use the microphone to dictate a new message in the mobile App, which my hands appreciate. but it's not good for admin tasks liking adding someone since dictation of an email address isn't very pretty.
Just as note - I use an iPhone SE (3rd generation) and I think it is too large - I have arthritis and small hands, and find that it is painful to hold for very long. I wish it was smaller in width and height (I liked my iPhone 4 just fine, thought it was the perfect size) - but I know that most people like larger phones. I wouldn't be able to hold anything larger. Maybe the text does display larger on a mobile device with a larger screen (I need to do some research - not that I will ever have a larger device for my personal use, but out of curiosity).
I do hope that the accessibility improves.
I am in the "senior" category - along with a lot of other baby-boomers, many of whom have embraced their phones.
I do a bit of tech support for folks who haven't had a smart phone before, but got pushed into getting a phone by their grandchildren. Unfortunately a lot of Apps, including ones more likely to be used by seniors, aren't doing QA focus-groups with the Medicare crowd.
I think I need to figure out how to get paid to give advice to developers on that growing market segment.
Thanks again.
I just put up a page of Photos of our
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subgroup used for an event, registered people, now that event concluded I want to share messages with parent group and delete the subgroup
#subgroup
I created a subgroup for people registered for an event, where updates could be shared using the mobile App (including locations and other info that wouldn't be shared with the larger, non-registered parent group members), and things were changing in real-time.
People have now also added some post-event comments and photos.?
At this point the event is concluded.
In a day or two, I will removed everyone from the sub-group, except the subgroup owner and retire the group. BUT would like to share the archive with the larger parent group - but I don't see any way to do that.
Even better, I'd to like move the whole message archive (it's only about 20 messages and a few photos) into the parent group and delete the subgroup altogether. It's not going to be used again unless I can rename/recycle it for future events after moving the messages into the parent group.
This is something I will want to do often, possibly once or twice a month - have an event-specific sub-group that only includes registered attendees, but share photos and comments afterwards with the folks who weren't able to attend (or in most cases there were constraints on how many people could attend). The 30 people who were on the wait list are interested as are people who had conflicts for the date.
How do I do this? Thanks.
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Re: Trouble deleting files
Well, I find I can delete the files using the android app, but it's not easy to navigate to the files. I had to follow an upload message link to get there.
At least I know how to get rid of the old file next month if the update function still isn't working.
Thanks for the feedback!
Frances (Green, not the Frances I often see posting here)
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Re: Trouble deleting files
Frances . . . On Sat, 3 Jun 2023 19:02:47 -0400, "Frances" <woodjjj@...> wrote:
I have to upload the new file with a different name, no problem there.
I doubt this would be of any help, but how about renaming the old file first, then upload your new replacement for the old one? If there's any value of tracking changes from before, you'd have a handy reference there. Donald ---------------------------------------------------- Some ham radio groups you may be interested in: /g/ICOM /g/Ham-Antennas/g/HamRadioHelp /g/Baofeng/g/CHIRP
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Duane
Peter S. Shenkin
Frances