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On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 13:00:56 -0700, "Frances" <frances@...> wrote:

However I do want members to remember my groups!
I have an automated monthly reminder to members. It is a good idea to take a look at it from time to time and jazz it up a bit!

I send one out every month for all of my amateur radio related groups (about 20
of them). I "advertise" my other groups in the monthly reminder, and I find it
brings in new members every month to most of the groups I run. It also seems to
remind some who no longer want to be members and I see a few leave some of the
groups.

The number of new members overall far exceeds those leaving, and I have no
problem with losing members when it's because they're no longer interested in
the group.

Donald

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On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 04:03 PM, Chris Cancilla (W4CEC) wrote:

Is this used for the sender, or the receiver?

You want the message to go to the group, right?

As I told you earlier:? "...have the batch file post the message to the integration address."

If your GMail account is subscribed to the group then the message should arrive there, too.

Regards,
Bruce

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Hi everyone,

I agree that you can't expect a very high participation rate.

However I do want members to remember my groups!
I have an automated monthly reminder to members. It is a good idea to take a look at it from time to time and jazz it up a bit!
/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/managing-member-notices/monthly-reminder-notice

Check out your homepage. Edit it, if needed. I am amazed at the number of groups who still ?use the default grey scale elephant banner photo! They haven't personalized it.

Also are you listed in list of publicly accessible groups? If appropriate, you can list it there, even groups with a private archive.
/search?p=SubsCount,,,20,2,0,0

Perhaps I am preaching to the choir here! If so, sorry.

Frances


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On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:30:12 -0000, Chris Cancilla (W4CEC) <Chriscancilla@...> wrote:

I have an old school batch file, yes, a DOC .bat file, that runs, processes a file (excel) and saves it to a folder.
for my own simplicity, I can add an additional command line to the batch file that sends it to me through email (gmail actually)
I created a groups.io for the purpose of communications with the group and I cannot get it to go through the groups.io site as an emai.

Does anyone have any ideas?

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 03:33 PM, Chris Cancilla (W4CEC) wrote:

I have an old school batch file, yes, a DOC .bat file, that runs, processes a file (excel) and saves it to a folder.
for my own simplicity, I can add an additional command line to the batch file that sends it to me through email (gmail actually)
I created a groups.io for the purpose of communications with the group and I cannot get it to go through the groups.io site as an emai.

Normally, to subscribe (and post) to a group, the address used needs to be able to both send and receive messages.?If the address cannot receive a message from groups.io then it cannot be "confirmed."

Does anyone have any ideas?

Set up an Email Integration and have the batch file post the message to the integration address. This is what email integrations are for.

/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/managing-integrations-with-outside-services/email-integrations?

Please note that you will need either a Premium group or one with legacy features in order to set up the integration.

Regards,
Bruce

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I have an old school batch file, yes, a DOC .bat file, that runs, processes a file (excel) and saves it to a folder.
for my own simplicity, I can add an additional command line to the batch file that sends it to me through email (gmail actually)
I created a groups.io for the purpose of communications with the group and I cannot get it to go through the groups.io site as an emai.
Does anyone have any ideas?

Chris . . .

On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 06:00:38 -0700, "Chris Jones via groups.io"
<chrisjones12@...> wrote:

FWIW IMHO your "activity rate" of about 10% is not all that bad. I suspect that it is actually better than this groups's (i.e. GMF) with its approximately 3500 members.

10% membership participation is indeed a good number.

I have a group of 1300 that probably has 50 or so actively participating.
Another group of 2200 with no regular participation at all; sometimes a month
goes by with no messages posted to the group. That latter group services its
purpose though when someone asks a question, which is not often, and springs to
life for a few days with people helping the person who posted the question.

As you said, in any group, you can't assume that people set to no mail are not
participating. Just as people who receive email posts can't be assumed to be
participating. I'm not sure where some get the idea that nomail means the member
isn't participating and those receiving posts by email are participating, but
that isn't the case.

Some like to use the website interface to post new messages and read posts
online. Perhaps they want to keep their email inbox clean. They may have some
other reason for wanting no email.

There are some who might be set to nomail for now, and not be a regular
participant unless they need to ask for help in a post, at which time they may
interact with others while they try to get the help they need. They may even
switch to email while they get the help they need, then switch back to nomail.

I don't understand why a group owner wants to try to force people to participate
unless there's some serious reason to do so that has to do with the group's
purpose. In some cases it seems that the group owner who wants to force
participation when there's no overriding reason to do so has some control
issues. (I can understand there are some situations where group participation
might be necessary and mandatory but these would be the exception rather than
the rule for most groups.)

We need to accept that we will have many lurkers and fewer actively
participating. I'd like to see more participation in some of my groups but as
long as the group is there and members are willing to help when someone has a
problem others can help with, then the group serves a purpose.

Donald


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Some ham radio groups you may be interested in:
/g/ICOM /g/Ham-Antennas
/g/HamRadioHelp /g/Baofeng
/g/CHIRP

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 01:30 PM, Rubens wrote:

So, I want to change that e start a
NEW topic with 3 of that 20 messages.
How do I do that? (I think that
what I want is to "split a topic"
in two different topics).

Yes, you can split topics but if there are three interspersed in the twenty, it is tricky.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/2763

Official help:
/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/managing-group-topics-and-messages/splitting-topics

There is an excellent tip in the Help:
Tip: If the topics are still active, consider putting them on moderation so you (or other moderators) can edit the subject lines of incoming messages before they are posted to the archive, to ensure that the messages end up in the correct topic. You can also consider locking the topics if you do not want members posting more messages to them.

Frances
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How to change (rename) a message's Subject?

Here's why:

My group has a topic with 20 messages.
The discussion took different paths.

So, I want to change that e start a
NEW topic with 3 of that 20 messages.
How do I do that? (I think that
what I want is to "split a topic"
in two different topics).


[ ] Rubens




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On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 06:09 AM, Peter wrote:

I would have thought that the selected option would have appeared on the message.

It does.? That email address is included as the sender for email that is sent out to members, as well as posted on the site, so if they reply, it goes to the owner address.? If you have an account that you only use as mod/owner, that information will be displayed.? An account you have as a member will display the name/info associated with it.? Many of us use one account for both.? The difference being that on any message we post as mod/owner, we include that in our signature.? As an example, when I post general information, I sign as Duane.? If I were posting something as a mod, I'd use 2 lines: Duane, GMF Moderator.

Duane
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On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 07:15 AM, Barry wrote:

With a membership of 180 plus - I feel if we had a few more participators - it would place less weight on the few?currently doing the work of keeping it going.

There are a lot of things to consider about participation.? Being retired, I spend a lot of time (too much? ;>) monitoring the groups that I'm a member of.? Others are still working, but all have a 'real' life.? Some don't have time to reply immediately and someone else posts the same information before they can.? I've found that if the constant contributors will hold back a few hours, except in urgent situations, others are willing to assist when they can.

It also depends on the nature of the group and the personalities involved.? On a social group, everyone is encouraged to jump in.? On a technical group, we ask that only those that know the answer to a question or alternative solutions respond.? There are folks that only post once a month or less because they don't feel comfortable doing so for some reason.

As others have said, a group is just a virtual community, so it's not unusual to find the same level of participation that you would in an actual meeting.? There are active and passive members in both.

Duane
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On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 12:15 PM, Barry wrote:

Where I am at odds on this is when you get people who set their subscription to "No email".

I think you need to explain your reasoning for this; my own first reaction to it is somewhat hostile.

And why that hostility? Because you associate "No email" with "No activity". I have "no email" in this group, along with the others I belong to bar that where I am a co - owner, but it does not mean I am inactive. It means that I prefer to use the web UI rather than email for my transactions with groups. IMHO your automatic assumption that "no email" equates to "I will not participate" is a too large a leap unless you have proof positive that there is a definite connection between the two.?

FWIW IMHO your "activity rate" of about 10% is not all that bad. I suspect that it is actually better than this groups's (i.e. GMF) with its approximately 3500 members. It is certainly better than the rate for the group I co-own and its just over 1800 members, many of whom are on "individual emails" but still don't join in!

Chris

Micheal - you make some good points which I can relate to. On participation - I perhaps need to back track from the idea of widespread threathening removal etc and have a bit more tolerance. On joining however - you never know who you are dealing with so moderating first message is your only safe guard in my view of people whose aim is to disrupt. Where I am at odds on this is when you get people who set their subscription to "No email". Who wants a group full of those people. In our group we have "3-4 creaters" and about "15 joiners in" and today we need everyone of those. With a membership of 180 plus - I feel if we had a few more participators - it would place less weight on the few?currently doing the work of keeping it going.

We are a legacy basic group (so 180 members OK) and we manage easily space wise below the threshold of fees.

Thanks for your input ......

Barry??

Cheers unfortunately she didn't set any moderators or co owner, I did suggest it to her when she went into hospital but she never did

Barry,

Consider any 'public meeting' of '180 plus members, I think your observations of 'participation' in not untypical.?
(Even if all were present in the same room, you can't be sure they are all 'paying attention'...)

I want to believe that all Group members care and are interested in my Groups as I am, but realistically I know I'm not as interested in everything anybody else is.


How frequently do you want to receive (and presumably read) 180 plus posts? Daily? Weekly? Monthly?
GMF has 3,497 Members - imagine if everyone posted once a day (week or month)!
It's Human Nature, that some will never speak up, a core group will be 'regulars', and a few post the most - some more than once a day (although it could be good if that were less frequent).

You'll need to inform your members of your 'participation' expectation/requirements,
and do it regularly, such as an automatic monthly Special Notice reminder, as Frances suggested.

How would you enforce this? Threaten removal?
Are you concerned about keeping your Group under 100 members to avoid Groups.io fees?
If so, perhaps fees based on Group activity, rather than number of members, would be more appropriate (and still raise the revenue Groups.io needs).

Michael

This is what I was questioning.? I would have thought that the selected option would have appeared on the message.

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Peteski - at least you are reading/replying and composing replies. No - you are not one of those deadbeats. These are people who join up/never get past the moderate first message flag/ set their subscription to "No email" and at best look into the forum 3 weeks on tuesday. These people never contribute - all they do is increase your member count. On the otherhand 3-4 people create all the input and about 12-15 join in at best out of 180 plus members.

Some people treat it like watching the TV and never join in - sometimes you wonder whether it is worth it.
Such is life - but it is always said "that you never know what you are missing until its gone" !! This is what the people I am referring to are asking for ........

barry?