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On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 08:45 AM, SP4149 wrote:

Frances mentions the concept of repurposing Basic (Free, pre 2020) lists.? I see that as having considerably value compared to deletion.? New Basic lists
have dramatically reduced benefits.? Two are affecting current lists as well.. Photo Admin administration is gone for new lists, but that means there
is no enthusiasm for more tools to administrate photo directories.? When there is a need for tools to delete old photos.? (e.g. bulk deletions such as by photo album name, creation date, owner, etc...) are useful for most lists, just not Basic lists trying to stay under 1 GB free image storage. (etc.)

Ken -- Changing the subject line, since we're beginning to stray off-topic.

This is a common complaint for groups at all levels, and I believe many of us would like to see tools of this kind become available to us.

One list I joined encouraged storage of images by message instead of photo Album creation.? They now have 1GB of e-male images, cannot store in photo albums, and cannot do a bulk delete of old e-mail images.?

There is a "Storage Limit Reached" setting that will automatically delete old attachments to get this group back under quota.?/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/customizing-group-settings/message-policy-settings?

Worse the e-mail photo albums contain multiples of images in replies to the first message.? While images in messages
can be prevented in settings as well as size; mistakes made cannot be later corrected.? How about a one time only resize of the e-mail photo album image to a smaller size, unlimited resized to 488 pixels could save some legacy lists.

This and other suggestions need to be posted to?. Groups.io management does not monitor GMF.?
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Last year if upgraded, a Basic legacy list of nearly 2000 subscribers to Premium before a price increase would cost nearly $900,? It was clear that my list had become a major free loader getting a free service valued at current pricing at nearly $900.? we were only using 25% of the 1 GB image capacity.? The upgrade had no benefit to subscribers;?Long term it may make groups.io a litter stronger financially by one less free loader (etc).

I believe it's generally understood that the pricing structure implemented on August 24, 2020 may have created an underground economy in legacy-enabled Basic groups. Mark is no fool and I'm sure he figured all of that in when he made the change.?

Regards,
Bruce

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Frances,
? Mentions the concept of repurposing Basic (Free, pre 2020) lists.? I see that as having considerably value compared to deletion.? New Basic lists
have dramatically reduced benefits.? Two are affecting current lists as well.. Photo Admin administration is gone for new lists, but that means there
is no enthusiasm for more tools to administrate photo directories.? When there is a need for tools to delete old photos.? (e.g. bulk deletions such as by photo album
name, creation date, owner, etc...) are useful for most lists, just not Basic lists trying to stay under 1 GB free image storage.

One list I joined encouraged storage of images by message instead of photo Album creation.? They now have 1GB of e-male images, cannot store in photo albums,
and cannot do a bulk delete of old e-mail images.? Worse the e-mail photo albums contain multiples of images in replies to the first message.? While images in messages
can be prevented in settings as well as size; mistakes made cannot be later corrected.? How about a one time only resize of the e-mail photo album image to a smaller size,
unlimited resized to 488 pixels could save some legacy lists.

Last year if upgraded, a Basic legacy list of nearly 2000 subscribers to Premium before a price increase would cost nearly $900,? It was clear that my list had become a major free loader
getting a free service valued at current pricing at nearly $900.? we were only using 25% of the 1 GB image capacity.? The upgrade had no benefit to subscribers;?
Long term it may make groups.io a litter stronger financially by one less free loader

I belong to a similar size list that did not control message images and now can no longer store in personal photo albums.? Upgrade to $900/a year premium status is a non-starter,
but repurposing an idle list would allow creation of a shadow list with image size and storage limitations, in effect a new start for free.

ken clark
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Thanks!? I just did repurpose for a new one I created today and I think i will park the other since it has extra bennies I didn't realize have been removed for new groups

On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 07:55 PM, <beleszove@...> wrote:

Also,? how is there no search bar in the help feature to find this answer easily?!!?

Click the link that says "View this manual as a single page."

You can then use your browser's normal "find" function to search of relevant information. In most browsers I've used, Ctrl-F will bring that up.

Regards,
Bruce

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Go to Admin > Settings, and on the lower right you'll see a red "Delete Group" button.

Pete

On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 07:55 PM, <beleszove@...> wrote:

I started 2 groups a few years ago that never got off the ground and were never active.? I don't see a way to delete them.? I am the only admin.?
Also,? how is there no search bar in the help feature to find this answer easily?!!???

If you have groups that you created a few years ago, you might consider repurposing them - changing the name, etc.
See the overview of features in free groups depending on whether you have a legacy group or not:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/25069

You can also promote your group - see
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/17028

If you choose to delete the group,?
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Hi,
I started 2 groups a few years ago that never got off the ground and were never active.? I don't see a way to delete them.? I am the only admin.?
Also,? how is there no search bar in the help feature to find this answer easily?!!???
Thanks for your help

On 20-Feb-22 10:27 AM, Chris Jones via groups.io wrote:

If replying by email it requires all the "unnecessary" material from the previous post to be deleted, leaving only the "quotation" to be carried forward into the reply.

I use Thunderbird, which works the same way as the website - highlight the text you want to quote, as I did here, and click Reply.

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Bill

On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 09:56 AM, Tommy Meehan wrote:

Thanks for the reply Frances but my group is already set to "Members can view, only moderators can create" for Databases. In the link to the Group Owners Manual in Permissions for Databases that you provided it is clearly stated that this setting is the default setting.

Perhaps I found a bug since I think that the Settings should control editing of all databases. However I just tested with a non-moderator email, and even though the group setting is set to Members can view, Moderators can create, and owner's help says:
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Thanks for the information Duane. I will put in a bug report on Beta.

An activity search for my group only shows one row modified -the one I deleted that was a dead end. I can't find anything else. I tried searching with multiple keywords but came up empty. I was especially hoping to find the date when the database entry was first put in. I'm sure the notation "imported from Yahoo" means it was originally uploaded back when we were still a Yahoo group. That being the case, it doesn't seem too surprising there is no record in the activity log.

tommy0421

On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 01:10 PM, Tommy Meehan wrote:

was titled? "Updated Data Base LinksMan's Name." I presumed that was the title the member chose -- especially because of the lack of a space between Links and Man's

That's likely a glitch in the system where a space isn't inserted like it should be.? It's happened on other notifications/messages.? I'd report it as a #bug on beta.

stated: "Description: Links imported from Yahoo."

That's the description of the DB that was used at import, so Groups.io put it in the message.

The other oddity is, I'm not sure what the member did that caused Groups.io to issue a notification.

In the Activity Log, search on the Modified Row action to see which row was edited.

Duane
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Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.

Duane possibly the member only edited the existing database. In doing some more searching I discovered by clicking on "Updated" in the Database section I get a date 01/15/18. This was the day we began our move to Groups.io from Yahoo. At the top of the page is written, "Links imported from Yahoo." Possibly this was something uploaded when we were on YG! years ago and was imported when we moved.

The email notification I got Friday from Groups.io was titled? "Updated Data Base LinksMan's Name." I presumed that was the title the member chose -- especially because of the lack of a space between Links and Man's (actually a member's name which I'm not posting for privacy reasons). The email notification I got from Groups.io also stated: "Description: Links imported from Yahoo." I'm not sure who generated that, Groups.io or the member.

The other oddity is, I'm not sure what the member did that caused Groups.io to issue a notification. The text on the rows, describing the links, doesn't read like something the member would have written. The text is clear, concise and has no typos or misspellings.

?I guess instead of Beta, I'll have to email the member and ask then what they did. :)

tommy0421

Colin . . .

On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 06:45:49 -0800, "Colin Brooks" <CB1718Project@...>
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Is there a way to simply reply to a topic without adding ALL the message replies to that same topic? The messages would still fall under the original topic on our message page, but not be regurgitated every time.

In many email reader programs, webmail clients, and on the group site, you can
select text in the previous message that you wish to reply to in context, then
click on reply, and only that part of the message will be quoted.

Some email clients, like the one I use on my phone, does not do this, though I
can select and delete what I don't want to quote (but it's a chore to do so on
my phone).

I wouldn't expect everyone to use this feature if it's available to them,
though.


Donald



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On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 02:56 PM, Colin Brooks wrote:

Is there a way to simply reply to a topic without adding ALL the message replies to that same topic?

You mean like this? :)

Yes, but it requires discipline on the part of the members. If posting from the web UI simply highlight the bit of the previous message required (as in example above) then click on reply. (it isn't even a copy and paste!)

If replying by email it requires all the "unnecessary" material from the previous post to be deleted, leaving only the "quotation" to be carried forward into the reply.

I wish you luck trying to get your members to observe this; if you succeed please tell the rest of us how you managed it.

Chris

On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 08:56 AM, Colin Brooks wrote:

Is there a way to simply reply to a topic without adding ALL the message replies to that same topic?

Online, the default is that nothing is included.? For those that reply via email, there's no way to control what they send.? What, if anything, is included is determined by the email program/client used.? The default on most phones/tablets is to include everything.? To make it worse, they usually don't show what's really being sent, replacing the quoted material with an ellipses (...).

Duane
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On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 08:56 AM, Tommy Meehan wrote:

Yet somehow this member was able to create and upload a table entry.

Did they create the database or just edit an existing one?? It sounds like the settings for the DB weren't set properly and they edited what had been there.? That could explain the unrelated title and data.? I don't think the DB settings should override the group setting, but they may.? I haven't really played with that aspect.

Duane
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A setting in "Message Formats" doesn't seem to be available to stop the repeating of previous messages in a new message.
In order- 1 person writes new topic. #2 replies and at bottom of their message the full message of #1 is repeated. #3 replies and ALL the messages of #1 and 2 are again repeated. Since we can have topics that run 10-20 replies it gets beyond aggravating, especially on a phone, to scroll through the old messages to finally get the actual new reply.
? Is there a way to simply reply to a topic without adding ALL the message replies to that same topic? The messages would still fall under the original topic on our message page, but not be regurgitated every time.

Colin Brooks

Frances wrote:

You can specify whether the Databases feature is available on your group’s website and, if it is, who can view and create/edit tables in the group’s databases...So you can control access in Settings and then in each database.

Thanks for the reply Frances but my group is already set to "Members can view, only moderators can create" for Databases. In the link to the Group Owners Manual in Permissions for Databases that you provided it is clearly stated that this setting is the default setting. When I looked at our group's Database Permissions it still had that setting. Yet somehow this member was able to create and upload a table entry. I did receive a notification but only after the fact. Since the Database feature in my group is already set to members can view, only moderators can create, that they could do that appears to be a bug. When I get time I will take this issue to the Beta group.

It's no big deal, this is the first time in the twenty years the group has been around that there was an entry posted in the Database. But it does appear to be a bug that I feel obligated to bring to Mark's attention.

tommy0421

On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 10:30 PM, Tommy Meehan wrote:

Your mention of being able to turn on/off subscriber access to the Database requires going to Settings/Features? The Database in the group I own is already set to "Members can view, moderators can create tables." But that didn't stop the member this morning. Maybe because he didn't add a table, only rows of text?

I checked a database and there are more controls for each database.
Go to Database, click on title. Click on Edit Properties.
There are 4 permissions there.

I use Files and Wiki but not Databases, except as a test. I see in Owner's Help:

Permissions

You can specify whether the Databases feature is available on your group’s website and, if it is, who can view and create/edit tables in the group’s databases. From the Permissions list in the Database section of the panel, select the option you want to use

/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/customizing-settings-for-premium-and-enterprise-features/database

So you can control access in Settings and then in each database.
BTW, I have a free / basic group with databases as a legacy feature.

Frances
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Thanks Bruce. I am set up to be notified when a Photo, File or a Database entry is made. I think the reason I was remembering I could approve/disapprove Photos/Files from members is, almost no one visits the web page. If they want to add a photo or file they send it to the group and ask me to download it and then upload it to the Photos or Files section.

Your mention of being able to turn on/off subscriber access to the Database requires going to Settings/Features? The Database in the group I own is already set to "Members can view, moderators can create tables." But that didn't stop the member this morning. Maybe because he didn't add a table, only rows of text?

tommy0421