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I have member that was transferred from Y to G, and contacted me through my personal email to tell me; "- My ‘reply’ message below was rejected by the receiving server." This person is in the members lists, no bounce symbol, does not have a Y address, and nothing unusual when looking at their membership information. I changed their email delivery to All Messages from Full Featured Digest, and maybe that will make a difference.

Don

Hi,

I am new to Groups.io, like most here I am trying to set up to move my groups over from YahooGroups.? I am not savvy about this stuff, and I think I have already screwed something up.

I set up my new groups under this email, babmay11@ [isp1],?which is the email I want to use for every thing.? I did a test to subscribe my secondary email which is babmay11@ [isp2].? It did do that, but now when I am trying to go back to the webpage, it is using my gmail account as the ID email, and I can't get to the groups I set up under the babmay11@ [isp1] email.? HELP!

Thanks,

Barb B

[Moderator edited for clarity and to remove email addresses]

Richard,

Thanks for the info. I've looked in the Email Delivery History for
quite a lot (but by no means all) of these members and it has never
shown anything at all.

That might be worthy of a report to [email protected] - I think it should say something even if only to tell you it can't show you info from another group.

(the group doesn't send any special notices or other non-post emails
that I've noticed).

The process of joining your group, whether transferred in, Direct ADDed, or otherwise would have sent them some notifications, and if these were rejected that would put them into bouncing. But that still should have shown something in their history.

I was surprised to discover that there are 3100 non-bouncing members
who have also opted for no emails, almost half the membership, so it's
obviously a popular option:

If these are members copied over from a Yahoo Group their delivery option would have been copied as well.

I'd be interested to know what their modus operandi for using the
group is, as periodically checking the website for new posts of
interest seems grossly inefficient to me. Perhaps I should ask them...

Mayhaps. I know there are many people who prefer web access. If your group has public archives the could be using an RSS feed for notification of new messages.

Shal

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 05:30 am, debbie wrote:

> 8. Is there a way to make changes to or delete the
> <> automatic footer?

No.

?

That's not good. That long footer comes out in two sections. I put the URL of our website in the Message Footer section of my group and it's coming out between the two sections. Doesn't make sense and looks very strange. Also, many of the member of my group only have email access and don't even have Internet access at all, so none of the links in the automatic footer are useful to them. I was thinking of putting some of the email commands in the group's Message Footer section, for them to use, but it will be so long and if it comes out after the automatic footer, it's pretty much useless.

?

I will write to Mark about that. Do you think I should write to support or to the beta group?

?

There has been some discussion and requests for this on beta@, and (and possibly others.)? Both are now moderated, but you can still add comments if they're approved.? I don't see anything about it on yet, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Mark isn't aware/working on it.

Duane

I'm using Firefox Quantum v. 58.0 64-bit for Ubuntu, and only the two first icons show.? But I guess I can just use Chrome when I want to delete files -- everything else seems to work.

We're in the processing of migrating from yahoo groups - I have backed up a good chunk of our messages via PG Offline and am wondering if there's a way to transfer those to groups.io without having to go back through yahoo?

I tried using Chrome instead of Firefox (both on Ubuntu), and I can now see all four icons, so it seems to be a problem with Firefox.

I'm seeing only two icons: A pencil (for editing) and a pair of scissors (for moving).? There are some very small squiggles to the right of the scissors, looking somewhat like a ' and a . , but nothing happens when I press them.

Different answers may be right for different groups.? I own several book groups and associated groups that have operated on Yahoo for a long time.? I am moving one of the groups but I am not going to transfer all of the members or all of the old messages.

One of these groups has been inactive for some time and I am not going to do anything with it.? It can sit on yahoo or die.? The other group has about 10 active members out of 700 members in the group.? It also has messages related to discussions going back to 1996.? This group existed on another list serve before that -- the original messages were not migrated to Yahoo when the group moved there and I have made the decision not migrate messages from the Yahoo group to Groups.io.? I sent out a special message to the members that says that as of Feb 1, discussion will be held in a new group in Groups.io, have changed the cover page of the group to point to the new group and set up a Facebook page for the group with information about the move. ?

Jenny Ross
Book Group List owner

Log shows her leaving six times yet directory shows she's still a member. I manually removed her this morning. Don't know yet if she'll be added back.

I'm the only moderator and, yes, I get all emails. OTOH the only emails referencing this are from her, complaining that she keeps getting added. But there's no confirmation.

Norman

Shal

Thanks for the info. I've looked in the Email Delivery History for quite a
lot (but by no means all) of these members and it has never shown anything
at all.

So the only reasonable explanation seems to be, as you suggest, that they are members of other groups where they have opted for email delivery, but are bouncing there (the group doesn't send any special notices or other non-post emails that I've noticed).

I find it rather unhelpful that these members show up in the bouncing list, as I definitely wouldn't want to remove them. I was surprised to discover that there are 3100 non-bouncing members who have also opted for no emails, almost half the membership, so it's obviously a popular option: I'd be interested to know what their modus operandi for using the group is, as periodically checking the website for new posts of interest seems grossly inefficient to me. Perhaps I should ask them...

Just as a matter of interest, I recently removed about 900 fully bouncing members, and I'd say probably 99% of them were yahoo addresses,. Of the small proportion that I checked, the delivery history consistently showed the bouncing to have mostly occurred during the latter part of December 2017. It's difficult to avoid the feeling that there was something systemically wrong in Yahoo at the time (no surprise there then...), but I wonder how many of these were members who suddenly stopped receiving messages from the group through no fault of their own and have been wondering why?

Richard

I have just joined groups.io and I am in the process of migrating a group from yahoogroups.

My question regards files in the Files section of the new group. I can add files, move files, and edit file descriptions and names, but I can not find any way to delete a file. Can anyone help me?

Regards,
Torben

Debbie,

1. The last day or so of messages in the old group don't show up. Is
it because the download Mark used was done a day before the transfer?

I think that's correct. The problems with copying Files and other content probably spread out the copy operations more than they normally are.

I downloaded those messages. If I offer the .txt file of those
downloaded messages that I downloaded, would Mark be able to use that
and add them?

Yeah, that one's for Mark.

It may depend on how you downloaded them. If you used the Chrome app from YahooGroupedia that's probably the best, as it will include the full view source of each message. If you screen-scraped them from the Conversations section that probably wouldn't work with the tools he has. It is also possible he'd be willing to update the archive using the tools he's written.

2. At the time of the transfer there were only two members on the
groups.io (my own addresses). In the message from groups.io telling me
the transfer was complete, in the section "The following email
addresses were not added", there were four that said "already
subscribed". The other two were definitely not on the subscription
list before the transfer. The group was not in the directory at the
time and I only ever saw '2' as the number of members.

That's odd, but beyond checking to see that they are now in the group I don't think I'd worry about it.

Could it be they were already a member of a different goups.io
group, so were 'in the system'?

No, that shouldn't matter. Their subscriptions would still need to be added in your group.

3. I noticed that if you change to digest, you will start receiving
digests from the first message after you changed. This means that
digests are not the same for every member. What's the point of that?
Doesn't it make sense for all digest subscribers to have identical
digests?

That's not how digests work here - they are individually crafted. That's because members can mute and follow topics or hashtags. See also:
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/3244

4. ... more frustrating is the time being used is US-PST. I looked
around the settings and couldn't find a way to set, at least my own
account, if not the whole group, to my local time zone. Is there a
setting for that?

It is an account setting. Choose Account from the drop-list on your name, on the right in the top blue banner.

Too late now for the transferred members, but there's also a default you can set for new members who join in the future. Find that on the Default Sub Settings tab of your group's Settings page.

5. I have one more group I would like to transfer. I have all the
members and messages downloaded. Would Mark be able to use those
files, if I send them to him (as mentioned in #1 above?)

Again, a question for Mark. I know he has in the past accepted lists of addresses from other types of email list systems, but that hasn't before been relevant for Yahoo or Google groups.

I would assume 'transfer' then does not need to be a member, right?

Sounds right to me, if you're not planning to have the transfer agent copy photos, files or other content.

7. Was there ever a reason given why there is not a comment box on the
page for joining the group?

I think it is just lack of a round tuit. It has been discussed in beta@ in various forms and is on the to-do list:

8. Is there a way to make changes to or delete the groups.io
<> automatic footer?

No.

10. Just curious. What does Mark get from those of us who only use the
free package, without any advertising?

Same as any "Freemium" service: visibility, word-of-mouth, and the possibility that some of the free users will eventually upgrade.

Can't it be said that those who are paying for the premium service are
carrying us also?

It can. But that's considered normal for this business model.

Shal

One thing I ran into with one of my transfers was file names or subject lines in messages with octothorpes (#) in them. Groups.io wants to turn them into hashtags.

Dano