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Re: European Date Format & 24hr Clock #calendar

 

Our US-based group is very much opposed to changing the date/time format unilaterally. Why should our members (who have been here for two years) be subjected to confusion to accommodate newcomers? If it can be implemented optionally at the group or individual level we would support it. Otherwise, we will vigorously oppose it.

Jean

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Re: Transfers from Yahoo Groups ... Down?

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I just had one Yahoo Group transferred last Thursday.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Betz
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 11:49 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [GMF] Transfers from Yahoo Groups ... Down?

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Hi,
? I've heard people saying that transfers from yahoo groups are 'waiting'.

? 1) Is this real or are they proceeding?
? 2) Is this more of a slow down than a halt?
? 3) Have you had a request to transfer denied or been told it will be
? ? ? delayed?

? Yes, I have a group I'm going to be transferring in the near future.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Jim B.

Re: Tell me about "liking" messages

 

Tiffany,

If someone "likes" a message is the person who wrote the message
notified? Or would they only know by going to the message online and
checking there?
Unfortunately the latter, Likes are all but invisible at the moment.

There is a long-awaited "notifications overhaul" which should provide notification by web and optionally by email to the post's author, and maybe to others. As well as notices for a host of other events.


Also, what is the difference between "rich" and "plain" formatting on
the digest options for email delivery?
Rich is HTML formatted, with active links in the TOC and under each message.

Plain is plain-text, the TOC does not link to the messages further down, and the links to actions on site are spelled out as URLs which may (depending on your email interface) be linkified or you may have to cut and paste them to your browser.

Shal
Re: When not to transfer a Yahoo Group list.

 

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I've also had similar experiences. I just said we're moving, no questions asked, if you want to come I'll send you an invite, but that's ?it.?No exceptions. If you don't like the y, then so be it. About almost 200 of the 300 we had came with me. The ?others are slowly coming back. I would just say here's ?what's happening ?we are transfering , no exceptions, either follow orders or there's the door.

On Jan 29, 2018, at 9:44 AM, Jim Betz <jimbetz@...> wrote:

Ken,
? My experiences are similar to yours.? I'll add in some other considerations.

? Many (most?) yahoo groups owners/moderators/users are not even
slightly cognizant of?how the list actually functions and so those
users are 'resistant' to any?mention of "change".
? In addition - there is a certain group of online users who 'feel the
need to comment/take a position' on -every- topic/thread.? That
attitude is irrelevant of their level of expertise on the topic.
? There seems to be very little relationship between the number
of members of a yahoo group and their willingness/hesitancy to
change to some other method.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Jim B.

Re: Transfers from Yahoo Groups ... Down?

 

Jim,
This was the message Saturday morning, I haven't seen an update.




KEN

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On 2018-01-29 09:48, Jim Betz wrote:
Hi,
I've heard people saying that transfers from yahoo groups are
'waiting'.
1) Is this real or are they proceeding?
2) Is this more of a slow down than a halt?
3) Have you had a request to transfer denied or been told it will be
delayed?
Yes, I have a group I'm going to be transferring in the near future.
- Jim B.
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Transfers from Yahoo Groups ... Down?

 

Hi,
? I've heard people saying that transfers from yahoo groups are 'waiting'.

? 1) Is this real or are they proceeding?
? 2) Is this more of a slow down than a halt?
? 3) Have you had a request to transfer denied or been told it will be
? ? ? delayed?

? Yes, I have a group I'm going to be transferring in the near future.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Jim B.
Re: When not to transfer a Yahoo Group list.

 

Ken,
? My experiences are similar to yours.? I'll add in some other considerations.

? Many (most?) yahoo groups owners/moderators/users are not even
slightly cognizant of?how the list actually functions and so those
users are 'resistant' to any?mention of "change".
? In addition - there is a certain group of online users who 'feel the
need to comment/take a position' on -every- topic/thread.? That
attitude is irrelevant of their level of expertise on the topic.
? There seems to be very little relationship between the number
of members of a yahoo group and their willingness/hesitancy to
change to some other method.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Jim B.
Re: Chats question

Nancy in Renton
 

I was just thinking about setting up a chat for our group so went back and reread previous posts on the topic.?When we tested the chat room we noticed that there¡¯s no ¡°chime¡± that someone new has joined in. Also, sometimes new conversations only showed up after refreshing the page (but not always).

Has anyone used chats and what was your workaround?

I want to schedule some chats on specific topics and put them on the calendar. First I need to write out a how to.

Nancy
Tell me about "liking" messages

 

If someone "likes" a message is the person who wrote the message notified? Or would they only know by going to the message online and checking there?

Also, what is the difference between "rich" and "plain" formatting on the digest options for email delivery?

Thanks,

Tiffany
Re: European Date Format & 24hr Clock #calendar

 

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Hi Duane,

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Yes ¨C I¡¯ve liked posts there and added a new post there too.

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Simon

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Duane
Sent: 29 January 2018 14:11
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] European Date Format & 24hr Clock #calendar

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It looks like this is definitely on Mark's mind: ? As Shal mentioned, additional comments on Mark's earlier post, , might help give it a boost.

Duane

Re: Invite Question

 

Hi

Shal, I think you might be right. If group allows moderated posts by non-members - I do that on my group. - the individual messages are being approved by a moderator.?

Ask the member is she is she is receiving email from the group. Likely she isn¡¯t because she isn¡¯t a member.?

Frances
Re: European Date Format & 24hr Clock #calendar

 
Edited

It looks like this is definitely on Mark's mind: ? As Shal mentioned, additional comments on Mark's earlier post, , might help give it a boost.

Duane
Re: European Date Format & 24hr Clock #calendar

 

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Can I support too. The web site dates is as impenetrable to non-Americans as Degrees Celsius were to the US Citizens I met on a recent tour of the Canadian Rockies¡­

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Dave Wade

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Simon Hedges via Groups.Io
Sent: 29 January 2018 13:25
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] European Date Format & 24hr Clock #calendar

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I'd like to support this.?

I run yahoogroups with large proportions of members in the USA, Canada, UK, rest of Europe, Australia and some other countries.? In order for dates to be readily and instantly understandable, the members need to be able to know, without thinking,unambiguously, that a message posted on 1/8/18 was posted on 1st August 2018, or 8th January 2018 and the only way of doing this instantly is to enable them to see dates in their local date format.

The same goes for time format: I far prefer to use the 24 hour clock (I'm from the UK where 12 hour and 24 hour clocks are in common usage), but many of my US members find that quite difficult.

This issue is slowing down a transfer of some of my groups from yahoogroups to io groups: enforcing a single format, whether the US format or ISO format (which has the benefit of annoying almost everyone equally), or the DD/MM/YYYY format used by most of the world, smacks of cultural imperialism of one form or another!??

Simon, on 29/01/2018 at 13:23

Re: European Date Format & 24hr Clock #calendar

 

I'd like to support this.?

I run yahoogroups with large proportions of members in the USA, Canada, UK, rest of Europe, Australia and some other countries.? In order for dates to be readily and instantly understandable, the members need to be able to know, without thinking,unambiguously, that a message posted on 1/8/18 was posted on 1st August 2018, or 8th January 2018 and the only way of doing this instantly is to enable them to see dates in their local date format.

The same goes for time format: I far prefer to use the 24 hour clock (I'm from the UK where 12 hour and 24 hour clocks are in common usage), but many of my US members find that quite difficult.

This issue is slowing down a transfer of some of my groups from yahoogroups to io groups: enforcing a single format, whether the US format or ISO format (which has the benefit of annoying almost everyone equally), or the DD/MM/YYYY format used by most of the world, smacks of cultural imperialism of one form or another!??

Simon, on 29/01/2018 at 13:23
Re: Invite Question

 

Marcia,

What might a person have done - or not done - if the invite list
still says "Sent" instead of "Accepted" and she has posted a couple
emails to the group. She thinks she accepted.
Could she have more than one email address? One still "Sent" and another that posted to the group?

Or does the group allow posting by non-members?

Otherwise I'm at a loss for how she posted to the group before accepting the invitation, or how she would think she has but the site thinks otherwise.

The other half of the coin is whether she's receiving postings from the group. That even more so should not happen until after she accepts the invite.

Is there a way I can change Sent to Accepted?
I don't think you can, it should be strictly up to her. If you could that would be tantamount to a Direct Add. Which is something only a Premium or Enterprise group should have.

Shal
Invite Question

Marcia Hudspeth
 


What might a person have done - or not done - if the invite list still says ?"Sent" instead of ?"Accepted" and she has posted a couple emails to the group. ?She thinks she accepted. ?Is there a way I can change Sent to Accepted?

Marcia
Re: Question about Member Notices - Note to Member

 

Ah yeah I might suggest that as sometimes I might need to send an all call to the list but might not have the time to write it out, or it could be sent on a schedule like the guide lines thing. I dunno, I'll bring this up on beta probably tomorrow.

On Jan 28, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Sarah,

Would I maybe use this to be sent to a list if I maybe need to warn
them of something let's say to say any more actions like the ones by
our members and this list will be in moderation?
It isn't really designed for sending to the entire membership. The idea is that you'd checkmark one or a few members (in the Members list) then in the Actions menu at the bottom of the page use Send Message.

But maybe there's a suggestion for beta@ - when used by a moderator the New Topic composition page could have the drop-list for Member Notice selection in addition to the special notice checkbox.

That would be useful for notices that don't make sense to schedule but are needed on occasion.

Shal
Re: Question about Member Notices - Note to Member

 

Sarah,

Would I maybe use this to be sent to a list if I maybe need to warn
them of something let's say to say any more actions like the ones by
our members and this list will be in moderation?
It isn't really designed for sending to the entire membership. The idea is that you'd checkmark one or a few members (in the Members list) then in the Actions menu at the bottom of the page use Send Message.

But maybe there's a suggestion for beta@ - when used by a moderator the New Topic composition page could have the drop-list for Member Notice selection in addition to the special notice checkbox.

That would be useful for notices that don't make sense to schedule but are needed on occasion.

Shal
Re: When not to transfer a Yahoo Group list.

 

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On 28 Jan 2018 at 14:15, SP4149 wrote:

> If you are a moderator (or even a subscriber) for a list owner with
> these characteristics, trying to promote a move will be a waste of
> your time and likely incur ire and distrust.? It's time to drop the
> subject.

Ken,

Thanks for that analysis!

When we hang around with progressive listowners all the time, it's easy to start to think that everyone thinks like us.?

But like you said, some owners use the discussion group as a "slow-paced chat group"? :-) , or even as a cloud-based distribution list.? They don't really care about features or reliability.

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Re: When not to transfer a Yahoo Group list.

J_Catlady
 

Interesting analysis. As you may have read, I was badly burned last week for trying to "help" a Y group move to who had no interest in doing that. ;p

On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 2:15 PM, SP4149 <ken@...> wrote:
This last week I posted my experiences of transferring a list from YG to on several YG lists where there
have been discussions about current YG problems.? While other members appreciated the heads-up, some YG lists
owners were pretty upset.? After a week of banter and bravado on all sides:? A few things became clear.

First, some list owners are not interested in their database and routinely purge messages and files.? In essence
their?groups are just slow paced chat groups and do not store archival information; they lose nothing if YG implodes.

Second, some list owners (and members) have not upgraded their PCs and internet connections in 20+ years,
they work solely with Digest posts and do not access the YG web page to post or search.? Yes Virginia, dial-up
modems do exist...? They cannot see the current YG slow-down.

Third, YG list ownership is extremely personal and some list owners are reactive to change, sharing, or assistance.
Talking of a move is stealing THEIR group.

When any of these three conditions of list owners exist the chances of a transfer from YG is minimal;
when all three exist, the list?will never move, is willing to die in place.

? If you are a moderator (or even a subscriber) for a list owner with these characteristics, trying to promote a move
will be a waste of your time and likely incur ire and distrust.? It's time to drop the subject.

ken clark
singed, but still happy with moving to


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