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Re: Navigation buttons missing #directory

 

Bruce - You're amazing! My navigation buttons at the bottom of the screen are back! All I did was switch from infinite scroll to 100 per page, which is fascinating considering the infinite scroll page used to result in four pages (not one really long page as one would expect)...and now it's down to two pages :)

(And I was mistaken before...when it was stuck on the first page, it was member names A-F, not A-C.)

Thank you!!
Jean


Re: Navigation buttons missing #directory

 

On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 09:34 PM, Jean Guevara wrote:
This is definitely new. We all had no problem before going from one page of our directory to the next, but now some of us cant get past the first page. Up top it says "showing 199 of 199 members," but it's not...it's only showing those with names beginning with letters A-C...with no buttons at the bottom to move to the next page.
Jean -- Something definitely funny going on.

I don't see a problem with the navigation when set to 100 items per page. I highly recommend that you turn off infinite scroll in your account preferences ( /account?page=prefs ). Seems like every time a problem like this arises, infinite scroll is to blame. If you ask me, that feature is just not ready for prime time.

For myself, the Directory page is no longer displaying the blue menu bar at the top of the page.

Regards,
Bruce

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Re: Navigation buttons missing #directory

 

This is definitely new. We all had no problem before going from one page of our directory to the next, but now some of us cant get past the first page. Up top it says "showing 199 of 199 members," but it's not...it's only showing those with names beginning with letters A-C...with no buttons at the bottom to move to the next page. I just looked at the GMF directory page, and it's the same for me there...no navigation buttons at the bottom to go to the next page. I took a screen shot of the bottom of the GMF directory page...if it comes across okay...




Re: Navigation buttons missing #directory

 

On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 08:41 PM, Jean Guevara wrote:
Up until recently we have been able to navigate through the several pages of our group¡¯s directory. ?Now only the first page shows up with no navigation buttons at the bottom of the page to proceed to the next page. ?The moderators are noticing this on several different browsers (Safari, Firefox, to name a few) but not on all of them. ?Is this a??bug or a server/browser problem? ?Is anyone else having this problem? ?We first noticed the problem yesterday, Nov. 24. ?Refreshing the page or closing the program and reopening it do not make any difference.
I don't see the problem with Safari. You are talking about the member directory, right? Seeing that depends on whether or not you are in the directory. It also depends whether you have enabled the directory and for whom.

It puzzles me that you only see the first page of the directory. Does the number of profiles and pagination match? It is possible that quite a few members may have removed their profile in the directory.

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Navigation buttons missing #directory

 

Up until recently we have been able to navigate through the several pages of our group¡¯s directory. ?Now only the first page shows up with no navigation buttons at the bottom of the page to proceed to the next page. ?The moderators are noticing this on several different browsers (Safari, Firefox, to name a few) but not on all of them. ?Is this a??bug or a server/browser problem? ?Is anyone else having this problem? ?We first noticed the problem yesterday, Nov. 24. ?Refreshing the page or closing the program and reopening it do not make any difference.

Thanks for any help you can give.
Jean


Re: Embedding a sign up form in my Squarespace website

 

On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 06:14 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
Can I ask why?
I may be speaking out of turn, but it sounds like the goal is to use a Basic GIO group as an email listserve only, while making it appear to be hosted on the local web server.

In such a case it might be desirable to avoid users ever seeing the groups.io domain in their browser's address bar.

Regards,
Bruce

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Re: Embedding a sign up form in my Squarespace website

 

On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 09:51 PM, Loneliness Lab wrote:
however current sign-up via the Groups IO homepage for our group is a bit of a blocker to our users
Can I ask why?

Chris


Re: Embedding a sign up form in my Squarespace website

 

So it transpires?Squarespace doesn't supports PHP which is a real shame as that seemed like the perfect solutions for our needs

Back to the drawing board...

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Re: Embedding a sign up form in my Squarespace website

 

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On 2020-11-25 16:19, Bruce Bowman via groups.io wrote:
Rather than use the API to directly subscribe, you could use PHP to capture the email entry from the form and send a message from that address to the group's +subscribe address.

Yes, like I mentioned the nice advantage of this is it still allows the GIO normal signup process to take place, because all we are really doing is we are saving the applicant from writing and sending the -subscribe email or going to the group's GIO page and clicking on Join, otherwise nothing else changes and security is not compromised whatsoever.

Many thanks for providing the script code!

Cheers,
Christos


Re: Embedding a sign up form in my Squarespace website

 

Thanks everyone for your responses.

Just to add I am not a web developer and playing middle (wo)mxn and so please excuse me if termilology isn't 100% accurate

Sounds like bypassing Groups IO sign up is not advisable for reasons explained, however current sign-up via the Groups IO homepage for our group is a bit of a blocker to our users, so I am trying to find the best way to embed a very simple email sign up form to our webpage, just as ECF have.

Bruce, this suggestion sounds along the lines of what I'd like to achieve - thank you. I will share with our developer and come back with any q's

Thanks again everyone


On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 09:19 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
After thinking about this some more, I'm beginning to believe we're making this harder than necessary.

Rather than use the API to directly subscribe, you could use PHP to capture the email entry from the form and send a message from that address to the group's +subscribe address. Having done so, the person would then only have to check their email for the confirmation email from groups.io and reply to it.

The html/PHP below has been tested and it works. Be sure to change GROUPNAME to the name of your group in line 6, then paste it into your page. You will also have to enable PHP on the page, of course.

Hope this helps,
Bruce

<div>
<?php
//if "email" variable is filled out, send email
if (isset($_REQUEST['email']))? {
? ? $email = "From: " . $_REQUEST['email'];
? ? mail("[email protected]", "Subscribe", "Subscribe", $email);
? ? echo '<span style="text-align:center;font-weight:bold;"><p><br /><br />Your email address has been submitted.<br /><br /><h2>YOU ARE NOT DONE YET!</h2><br /><p>Check for a confirmation email from groups.io and reply to it.</p></span>';?
}? else? {
//if "email" variable is not filled out, display the form
?>
?
<div class="classictemplate template" style="display: block;">
<style type="text/css">
? #groupsio_embed_signup input {border:1px solid #999; -webkit-appearance:none;}
? #groupsio_embed_signup label {display:block; font-size:16px; padding-bottom:10px; font-weight:bold;}
? #groupsio_embed_signup .email {display:block; padding:8px 0; margin:0 4% 10px 0; text-indent:5px; width:58%; min-width:130px;}
? #groupsio_embed_signup {
? ? background:#fff; clear:left; font:14px Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;?
? }
? #groupsio_embed_signup .button {
? ? ? width:25%; margin:0 0 10px 0; min-width:90px;
? ? ? background-image: linear-gradient(to bottom,#337ab7 0,#265a88 100%);
? ? ? background-repeat: repeat-x;
? ? ? border-color: #245580;
? ? ? text-shadow: 0 -1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,.2);
? ? ? box-shadow: inset 0 1px 0 rgba(255,255,255,.15),0 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,.075);
? ? ? padding: 5px 10px;
? ? ? font-size: 12px;
? ? ? line-height: 1.5;
? ? ? border-radius: 3px;
? ? ? color: #fff;
? ? ? background-color: #337ab7;
? ? ? display: inline-block;
? ? ? margin-bottom: 0;
? ? ? font-weight: 400;
? ? ? text-align: center;
? ? ? white-space: nowrap;
? ? ? vertical-align: middle;
? ? }
</style>
<div id="groupsio_embed_signup">
<form onkeypress="return event.keyCode != 13;" method="post">
? ? <div id="groupsio_embed_signup_scroll">
? ? ? <label for="email" id="templateformtitle">Subscribe to our group</label>
? ? ? <input type="email" value="" name="email" class="email" id="email" placeholder="email address" required="">
? ? <div style="position: absolute; left: -5000px;" aria-hidden="true"><input type="text" name="b_5862886679057115531" tabindex="-1" value=""></div>
? ? <div id="templatearchives"></div>
? ? <input type="submit" value="Subscribe" name="subscribe" id="groupsio-embedded-subscribe" class="button">
? </div>
</form>
</div>
</div>
?
<?php
? }
?>
?
</div>

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Re: Embedding a sign up form in my Squarespace website

 

On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 08:01 PM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:
I honestly think that's a bad idea, and I personally wouldn't recommend doing that, as it bypasses GIO's group approval mechanisms...
I very much second that; I don't think doing it that way is right from either the potential member's point of view or from Groups.io's point of view either.?

I also agree with Bruce's comments including the one from? 20th April: It seems simpler to just provide a link to your group home page along with instructions to click the "+Join This Group" button once they arrive. Without your including all sorts of "points to note" with your application form so that applicants know in advance that they are applying for membership of a group hosted by Groups.io; as Bruce alluded the route they (should) take depends on whether they are already Account Holders or not; without that knowlege they could easily find themselves unwittingly setting up a second Account and that could create all sorts of complications later. While having different accounts with different email addresses at their core is a legitimate exercise it has to be done with a full understanding of the confusion that can arise as a result.

Should that happen are you in a position to help anyone thus affected? Note that one of these effects is that people find themselves trying to post to other groups using a wrong email address, and you will have no klnowledge of that.

Chris


Re: Embedding a sign up form in my Squarespace website

 
Edited

After thinking about this some more, I'm beginning to believe we're making this harder than necessary.

Rather than use the API to directly subscribe, you could use PHP to capture the email entry from the form and send a message from that address to the group's +subscribe address. Having done so, the person would then only have to check their email for the confirmation email from groups.io and reply to it.

The html/PHP below has been tested and it works. Be sure to change GROUPNAME to the name of your group in line 6, then paste it into your page. You will also have to enable PHP on the page, of course.

Hope this helps,
Bruce

<div>
<?php
//if "email" variable is filled out, send email
if (isset($_REQUEST['email']))? {
? ? $email = "From: " . $_REQUEST['email'];
? ? mail("[email protected]", "Subscribe", "Subscribe", $email);
? ? echo '<span style="text-align:center;font-weight:bold;"><p><br /><br />Your email address has been submitted.<br /><br /><h2>YOU ARE NOT DONE YET!</h2><br /><p>Check for a confirmation email from groups.io and reply to it.</p></span>';?
}? else? {
//if "email" variable is not filled out, display the form
?>
?
<div class="classictemplate template" style="display: block;">
<style type="text/css">
? #groupsio_embed_signup input {border:1px solid #999; -webkit-appearance:none;}
? #groupsio_embed_signup label {display:block; font-size:16px; padding-bottom:10px; font-weight:bold;}
? #groupsio_embed_signup .email {display:block; padding:8px 0; margin:0 4% 10px 0; text-indent:5px; width:58%; min-width:130px;}
? #groupsio_embed_signup {
? ? background:#fff; clear:left; font:14px Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;?
? }
? #groupsio_embed_signup .button {
? ? ? width:25%; margin:0 0 10px 0; min-width:90px;
? ? ? background-image: linear-gradient(to bottom,#337ab7 0,#265a88 100%);
? ? ? background-repeat: repeat-x;
? ? ? border-color: #245580;
? ? ? text-shadow: 0 -1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,.2);
? ? ? box-shadow: inset 0 1px 0 rgba(255,255,255,.15),0 1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,.075);
? ? ? padding: 5px 10px;
? ? ? font-size: 12px;
? ? ? line-height: 1.5;
? ? ? border-radius: 3px;
? ? ? color: #fff;
? ? ? background-color: #337ab7;
? ? ? display: inline-block;
? ? ? margin-bottom: 0;
? ? ? font-weight: 400;
? ? ? text-align: center;
? ? ? white-space: nowrap;
? ? ? vertical-align: middle;
? ? }
</style>
<div id="groupsio_embed_signup">
<form onkeypress="return event.keyCode != 13;" method="post">
? ? <div id="groupsio_embed_signup_scroll">
? ? ? <label for="email" id="templateformtitle">Subscribe to our group</label>
? ? ? <input type="email" value="" name="email" class="email" id="email" placeholder="email address" required="">
? ? <div style="position: absolute; left: -5000px;" aria-hidden="true"><input type="text" name="b_5862886679057115531" tabindex="-1" value=""></div>
? ? <div id="templatearchives"></div>
? ? <input type="submit" value="Subscribe" name="subscribe" id="groupsio-embedded-subscribe" class="button">
? </div>
</form>
</div>
</div>
?
<?php
? }
?>
?
</div>

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Re: Embedding a sign up form in my Squarespace website

 

On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 01:21 PM, Loneliness Lab wrote:
I want people to be able to sign up directly from our website without first having to go to Groups IO homepage.

I honestly think that's a bad idea, and I personally wouldn't recommend doing that, as it bypasses GIO's group approval mechanisms, and the word will go out in their circles and every spammer/scammer will then go to your site and join the group that way**. ?You'd be better off IMO if you do create an HTML script (with a Captcha of course) that allows someone to first "apply" for sign-up, by entering their email and some short info, like what the Pending Membership does now, and then you can approve them, but I wouldn't make it an automatic approval/join as you'll end up with undesirables infiltrating your group, not right away, but soon; they have special apps that scan/probe websites for stuff/holes/scripts like this, so it all takes one to find out and then it quickly spreads like the plague those folks are...

The other alternative, if it can be done through the API, is when they enter the info in your site, they are placed in the pending members queue, so then the built-in GIO process takes over, the same thing as if they went to your GIO group page and clicked on Join (or send in a subscribe email); or what the script does, is not to accept them right away, but it would send a subscribe email to the group using the info they provided (same as if the applicant sent that email), so then the normal GIO approval process will take over.

(**I may have misunderstood your intent, but I'm assuming you currently screen people who apply/join your group and what you are trying to do now is to allow them to join (not just apply) outside of GIO)

Cheers,
Christos


Re: Embedding a sign up form in my Squarespace website

 

On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 01:21 PM, Loneliness Lab wrote:
I have followed the instructions in the manual and copied the html code into Squarespace,?but then it takes the user to the Groups IO confirmation page and I want people to be able to sign up directly from our website without first having to go to Groups IO homepage.

Essentially I'd love a sign up form that's embedded into our website like this:?
That feature cannot be achieved without API function calls.

That feels like a more elegant solution.?
Well, it really isn't the same thing. You're asking for a feature that allows signup to a group that resides on a different server/domain. Validating the request and passing login credentials from your host to groups.io in a manner that's not subject to hacking is not a trivial exercise. Imagine a bot accessing your site and sending multiple join requests via the form you provided.

Is there a specific section on the?groups.io API?page that explains how to do this?
I'm afraid GMF is not the right group for that. I suggest you and post your inquiry there. Meanwhile, you can check the docs at?/api#register_user?

Doing this will probably also require some familiarity with PHP (or another scripting language). Your web host may not even allow you to use PHP shell functions.

Regards,
Bruce

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Re: Spammers attempting to join groups

 

No, not banning the person. Just put him on moderation.?

On November 23, 2020 7:34:55 AM "Nivard Ovington" <ovington.one@...> wrote:

Hi Donald

I have to say I have received replies to my pending subscription?
questions even more vague than that but turned out to be genuinely?
interested in the group, some people don't like answering questionnaires?
so keep it brief

Spammers tend not to reply to a pending subscription questionnaire at?
all or give a generic response, yours mentions amateur, I would not?
expect that from a spammer

If I had received that reply I might consider it is someone with an?
interest but not the best at communicating or using social media or?
English wasn't their first language

I might add them, or at least send them a message requesting more?
information, they would be moderated for their first message anyway and?
if that raised an eyebrow when received you could either unsub them or?
moderate for a longer period (I have it set as one post then unmoderate?
and that works well)

Your choice of course but just wondered if you were banning a legitimate?
subscriber

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

On 23/11/2020 02:16, Donald Hellen wrote:
We had a spammer try to join some ham radio groups. He made a very
general comment that was so general that we knew his next post would
be spam, so I notified the group owners and they took swift action.

I had another suspicious person try to join one of my ham radio groups
today. I let him join but instantly put him on full moderation. His
comment when applying to join was this:

"I'm an amateur and find this group to be interesting to my needs.
Thanks,"




Re: Embedding a sign up form in my Squarespace website

 

Thanks so much for the quick and helpful reply.

I have followed the instructions in the manual and copied the html code into Squarespace,?but then it takes the user to the Groups IO confirmation page and I want people to be able to sign up directly from our website without first having to go to Groups IO homepage.

Essentially I'd love a sign up form that's embedded into our website like this:?

That feels like a more elegant solution.?

Is there a specific section on the?groups.io API?page that explains how to do this?

Thanks again


Re: Embedding a sign up form in my Squarespace website

 

On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 11:36 AM, Loneliness Lab wrote:
I have searched in previous topics and can't see to find a page that has clear info about this.

Is it possible for me to embed a sign-up form where visitors to my website can add their email to join my group on Groups IO. Is there some custom html that works with Squarespace?
See?/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/promoting-your-group??I have no familiarity with Squarespace and cannot speak to whether the provided html form will work with?it.

The form code provided at Admin>Promote does not function well for people who are already have a groups.io account and are logged in. Instead of your own group's "join" page, such folks?are instead mysteriously taken to?/groups. See?/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/71383093#31263?for details.

Implementing a more elegant solution to this will probably require coding using the groups.io API.

Hope this helps,
Bruce

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Embedding a sign up form in my Squarespace website

 

Hi there,

I have searched in previous topics and can't see to find a page that has clear info about this.

Is it possible for me to embed a sign-up form where visitors to my website can add their email to join my group on Groups IO. Is there some custom html that works with Squarespace?

Fyi I am on a premium plan.

Thanks so much in advance


Re: Turn off Moderation

 

Thank you Bruce- I did uncheck that box and will see how it goes.? The group is pretty quiet today but I¡¯m sure that¡¯s what it was.

Thank you!

?

Scott Mohr- Information Systems Manager

Chowchilla Elementary School District

?

?

Scott -- Based on what you've sent us so far, the group is not moderated, but topics are getting moderate without your intervention. On that basis I can only guess that you've previously set up the group to moderate topics after some period of time.

Go to Admin>Settings, click open the Message Polices tab, and uncheck the box indicated in the screenshot below. Be sure to save your changes.

Any existing topics that have already become moderated due to this setting will have to be manually changed back using the instructions I previously sent you.

Hope this helps,
Bruce


Re: Question about Backups

 

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 03:23 PM, Jim Sterken wrote:
However, reading through the Groups.io forums, I see references to people doing what appear to be file backups of messages, images, and membership lists.
Jim -- A full explanation of these export functions is available at?/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/exporting-or-downloading-your-group-s-data?

Is it necessary to do our own backups of messages, images, and membership lists?? My expectation is that that is something Groups.io should be already doing for the entire platform.
I'm sure that groups.io has made provision for redundant storage of server data so as to recover from hardware failures. To my knowledge, there is no such provision to restore a group to a previous state, or otherwise be failsafe from user errors.
?
Regards,
Bruce
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