Okay, thanks.
I wasn't necessarily wanting to add members to a subgroup and not the main group.? I was wondering if they had to be in the main group first before they could be in a subgroup, or could they just be invited to the subgroup (and then automatically added to the main group).? I'll experiment to see what happens with someone who's invited to a subgroup.

Also, I'm on the 30-day free trial -- which I thought allowed one to try out all the premium features -- but when I go to add people, it says that Direct Add is disabled for the trial period. I'm trying to get funding for the group to be premium, and it kinda defeats the proof-of-concept, if I can't add my whole group at the same time.? What's going on there?

Regarding that one message, the only reason I can imagine is that Valimail made some kind of mistake in parsing the header because the From line shown in your header example, though incomplete, appears that it is structured as "Send On Behalf" as it should be. Note also that?the "d=groups.io" in both the SPF and DKIM block is significant. If GIO were actually sending mail as your domain (and, believe me, Mark has the equivalent of a PhD in Electronic Mail systems and services), it would have "d=[yourdomain.com]" in both blocks.

I wasn't sure regarding your second message about being puzzled so I wanted to note that the part you circled on the image included in your first message actually indicates 0% passing, not 0% failing. That both DKIM and SPF reflect this is incorrect based upon the header you added. I would re-confirm that the header you included is the correct one because it really does not make sense that Valimail would make a mistake like that.
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On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 11:55 AM, Sharon Villines wrote:

1. How soon after an email address starts bouncing is a notices sent the subscriber?

Sharon -- That depends on whether it was a "soft" or a "hard" bounce. See?/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/additional-information/groups-io-bounce-handling

Bouncing is an account status, not a subscription status. An account could go into bouncing even if all your group's messages have been delivered, due to problems with delivery of messages from another group.

2. When I go to the Archives I see the messages sorted by Topic (which I never want to see). How do I change this? I forget that I’m being shown only one message in a thread and don’t see many messages. And have to explain this my subscribers on a list that doesn’t allow attachments (like screenshots).

The easiest way is to bookmark the messages view and put that on your bookmarks bar of your browser.

Failing that, the view you get depends on how you got there. Groups.io will "remember" your last view, but otherwise provides no way to set a default.?

Regards,
Bruce

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1. How soon after an email address starts bouncing is a notices sent the subscriber?

2. When I go to the Archives I see the messages sorted by Topic (which I never want to see). How do I change this? I forget that I’m being shown only one message in a thread and don’t see many messages. And have to explain this my subscribers on a list that doesn’t allow attachments (like screenshots).

Sharon
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"Neighbors Talking to Neighbors”
Takoma Park DC and MD

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 07:05 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:

On Premium plans, the Direct Add feature in a subgroup shows you a list of main group members (that are not currently in the subgroup) to select from.

This is also true of any groups on the Basic plan that were grandfathered ().
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Bruce

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On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 03:32 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

I believe if you Invite someone to join a subgroup, and (s)he accepts, (s)he is also added to the main group. If your main group is on the Premium plan, I'm pretty sure?Direct Add behaves the same way.

On Premium plans, the Direct Add feature in a subgroup shows you a list of main group members (that are not currently in the subgroup) to select from.

Andy

Jim,

Thanks very much for taking the time to send that reassuring reply. I will probably just proceed with tightening? the DMARC screws, though I sure wish I understood why that one message got flagged as a failure!

Mark

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 10:20 PM, Cal wrote:

If I invite/add someone, do they also have to be members of the main group, or can they be members of the subgroup only?

I believe if you Invite someone to join a subgroup, and (s)he accepts, (s)he is also added to the main group. If your main group is on the Premium plan, I'm pretty sure?Direct Add behaves the same way.

If you're on the Basic plan, you have to first Invite the person to the main group and then Direct Add them to the subgroup after they accept.

There is no provision within groups.io to subscribe someone to a subgroup while keeping them out of the main group. If you need to do that, you must set up separate groups.

Hope this helps,
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I'm about to add/invite folks to a subgroup.
If I invite/add someone, do they also have to be members of the main group, or can they be members of the subgroup only?

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 07:28 PM, Beth Coleman wrote:

I'm interested in whether you have identified any MBOX converter tools that are inexpensive or free to enable the conversion of the MBOX format to a CSV file? I wish to export for analysis in a spreadsheet. I see there are several MBOX converter programs in the Apple store.

Beth -- I'm told that Apple Mail can open an mbox file and export the messages as PDF or RTF (ref:?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/32810).?If you must have it in CSV format you will probably need the MacUncle add-on (). If I'm reading this correctly, you will have to pay a licensing fee to convert more than 25 messages.

Caveat:? I have not actually attempted this. In more than 40 years of personal computing I've never owned an Apple device of any kind.

Good luck,
Bruce?

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Hi Tom,

Although this reply comes over 2 years following your initial post, perhaps you are able to answer.

I'm interested in whether you have identified any MBOX converter tools that are inexpensive or free to enable the conversion of the MBOX format to a CSV file? I wish to export for analysis in a spreadsheet. I see there are several MBOX converter programs in the Apple store. Perhaps you are already using a tool you like for conversion. If not perhaps you know of one that suits the need??

Thanks, looking forward to your suggestions.
Beth Coleman

My company uses Microsoft 365 (formerly Office 365) and I enforce SPF, DKIM and DMARC but I have the latter set to "reject" 100% outright and I have no problems getting any and all mail from GIO.

You sorta answered your own question where you mentioned that GIO would rewrite headers. It means GIO will create "Send On Behalf" entries for the To line. This is perfectly acceptable by M365.

For instance, individual post emails are structured as: [Group Name]@groups.io on behalf of [Subscriber Display Name] via groups.io <[psuedo subscriber email address]@groups.io>

Our DMARC record looks like:?"v=DMARC1;p=reject;pct=100;rua=mailto:rua@..."

In my experience, there is no need to change your SPF or do anything else to accommodate GIO servers.
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Jim

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With?what is going on in the world,?very few people are actually going away for long periods of time. What you can do if you notice they didn't rejoin, write to them to find out why. They can always apply again if it isn't a paid group or if it is a paid group the owner can put them back into?the group. ? ? ? ? ? ?

Jim . . .

On Wed, 05 Aug 2020 20:22:10 +0100, "Jim Fisher" <ejf@...>
wrote:

Lots of people going
away on holiday deliberately avoid using the internet while away, and that
often means two weeks or more off-line.

Everyone I know who goes on a vacation or camping takes their
electronic devices with them to keep in touch, take pictures of their
memories, etc.

There are very few that I know who leave them behind to get away from
everything.

Donald


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Some ham radio groups you may be interested in:
/g/ICOM /g/Ham-Antennas
/g/HamRadioHelp /g/Baofeng
/g/CHIRP

That may possibly be the case, but that only means a little more than 50% of
people always go on-line that often. I doubt if many people in hospital with,
for example COVID-19, would still be on-line that often. Lots of people going
away on holiday deliberately avoid using the internet while away, and that
often means two weeks or more off-line.

Jim

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 07:21 AM, Tommy Meehan wrote:

One of the members in one of my groups asked me about this yesterday. Starting yesterday morning, from another Groups.io group he belongs to, he began to receive multiple copies of the same daily digest. He's gotten about twelve copies of the identical digest, all with the same date/time stamp- August 4th at 6:06am EDST.

This is normal. Daily digests are usually sent at around 6:00 am local time (or shortly thereafter).

The latest one he received -- still time stamped 6:06am -- was last night at 8:59pm EDST. He asked me if I had heard about this problem, was it a Groups.io issue?

Unlikely. If groups.io sent him 12 copies of the same digest at 6:06, his provider should have received all of them at 6:07.

In his mail reader, he should click the "View Source" or "Show Original" or whatever button is available to display the raw message (including the header). Then paste the header of one of the late digests into the analyzer found at?? Whichever server is holding up these late digests is the source of the problem.

One final thought:? If this problem is happening with all his emails, he may have a mail client misconfigured. Messages need to be marked as "read" on the server at the time of download; if this is not done, and his client fails to reject messages having the same Message-ID, the same messages will show up repeatedly every time he connects.

Hope this helps,
Bruce

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On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 07:21 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote:

What are Dummyfiles? (and why are they there, "unnamed" (so to say))?

Using the online message editor, if you embed an image via the "add pictures" (or "add attachments") dialog, the associated mime part (and the image in Emailed Photos) is given the actual file name. If you instead paste in an image directly from your clipboard, no file name is available, so groups.io assigns these "dummyfile" names in sequence (0 for the 1st one in the message, 1 for the second, etc).

These same embedded images can then propagate in replies if the person replying fails to remove them.

Hope this helps,
Bruce

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One of the members in one of my groups asked me about this yesterday. Starting yesterday morning, from another Groups.io group he belongs to, he began to receive multiple copies of the same daily digest. He's gotten about twelve copies of the identical digest, all with the same date/time stamp- August 4th at 6:06am EDST. The latest one he received -- still time stamped 6:06am -- was last night at 8:59pm EDST. He asked me if I had heard about this problem, was it a Groups.io issue? I told him I had never heard of this problem and an archive search of this group didn't produce anything relevant.

Is this likely to be a problem with his email provider? He uses Network Solutions.

tommy0421

In our Emailed pix album,.I am seeing a ton of "Dummyfile.n[=1,2,3, etc].jpg
I see the same thing in the GMF album.

What are Dummyfiles? (and why are they there, "unnamed" (so to say))?