On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 03:28 PM, Jim Avera wrote:

This seems odd.? Someone applied to be a member of my group via the web, and as owner I got a "Subscription Approval Needed" email.?

However nothing at all appears in Admin->Pending.

It is possible to unsubscribe while still in Pending. Perhaps this person wasn't willing to comply with whatever stipulations you may have placed in your Pending Subscription notice.?

In Admin->Members the person shows up when the top drop-down is set to "Pending Approval" AND with the drop-down set to "Members". How can someone be both a member and not a member?

Different email addresses?

I clicked the "View Pending Member" link in the email and it said the person "Joined April 7" (yesterday). But I have done nothing to approve this person yet. I am the only Owner.

At this point I suggest you check your activity log and see what you can glean from that.

Hope this helps,
Bruce

This seems odd.? Someone applied to be a member of my group via the web, and as owner I got a "Subscription Approval Needed" email.?

However nothing at all appears in Admin->Pending.?

In Admin->Members the person shows up when the top drop-down is set to "Pending Approval" AND with the drop-down set to "Members".?? How can someone be both a member and not a member?

I clicked the "View Pending Member" link in the email and it said the person "Joined April 7" (yesterday).?? But I have done nothing to approve this person yet.? I am the only Owner.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 02:52 PM, Tony Moody wrote:

It used to be like: NUM for New User Moderated, and NS for Nonsubscriber.

If you get a message from a non-member and your group is set to moderate non-member posts rather than reject them, the label when you go online is NM for non-member.

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On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 01:52 PM, Tony Moody wrote:

NUM and NMM are too perilously close to stand for opposite status.

They don't.? To be more consistent across the site, the word User was replaced with Member in many places, so it stands for the same thing.

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On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 06:45 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

It will help with the spam filtering if you can set up the filter on the provider's webmail interface. The messages moved from Spam to INBOX will then download by POP like any others.

To quote Shakespeare... Aye, there's the rub.* With the "old" BT web interface (+ POP) the only available option was to have the Spam box on or off. With the new one even that limited choice has been removed. No safe senders list. :(

I have no objections to IMAP per se; it's just that for consistency's sake I would have to do 3 other email addresses as well (tedious), with no certainty that it would actually provide a means of achieving what I want to achieve. I will revisit BT's "guidance" because I think I saw some suggestion that with IMAP some tinkering is possible, but if I read things correctly that tinkering is from the email client, and the vintage of Outlook that I am using doesn't have any obvious means to do it. (I do have one IMAP address already that was foisted on me and I can see nothing useful in there.)

Chris.

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• It used to be like: NUM for New User Moderated, and NS for Nonsubscriber.
• Now it is blank/empty/no status for New User and NMM for Non Member Moderated.?

Duh.? I should have checked "Settings".? Indeed, this is deliberate, and can be disabled.

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On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 04:43 PM, Dave Funk wrote:

Is this deliberate??

Yes. When you said reading it on Groups.io I assume you meant using the web UI.

Anyway it's a "setting". Go Admin > Settings and scroll down the page to Privacy. See the last option in that section: Email Address Visibility In Archive. Also see the Note "below the box".

Chris

When I post a message and include a "mailto" link, the link is not properly interpreted.? When it is clicked whilst reading it on Groups.io, the email address is truncated.? When reading the message via email, the link *is* properly interpreted.

Is this deliberate?? Maybe to avoid spam?? Anyway to override the behavior?

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Rob,

My bounces aren't working that way. During the conversion from Yahoo
to groups.io, 5 of my group's addresses were converted to
name@... instead of the actual email addresses, hence the big B.

That doesn't seem likely.

What's more likely is that some members had more than one email address listed in your Yahoo Group. One their Yahoo Mail sign-on (name@...) and another at their preferred email service. A lot of Yahoo Group members ended up that way out of frustration with Yahoo Groups' complex and ever-changing account management.

I was able to edit one of the 5 by using her bounce message (she was
getting the bounce message on her actual address) ...

No doubt she had her Yahoo Mail set up with a filter to forward messages to her "actual" address. Which was another way people worked-around the ever-changing difficulty of connecting a preferred email address to one's Yahoo Account.

... by using her bounce message ... link to fix it ...

Heh, you mean you logged in as her?

Is there a less than obvious method for me to modify the incorrectly-
xlated email addresses to what they really are ...

As Duane said, with a Premium group you can access and change a member's email address, working through your group's Members list.

But in the case of these particular members you may encounter the speed-bump of finding that their "actual" addresses are already registered at Groups.io (possibly even members of your group) by virtual of a second membership in the Yahoo Group.

Or not, if these people were using a forwarding filter rather than a second membership.

Nope. beginning of a question.

For future reference, it is generally recommended to start your own topic when opening a new question (even if it is a related topic). That way people who've muted the original topic won't miss your question, and you won't distract from answers to the OP.

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Chris,

There is a lot of talk about a change from POP3 to IMAP being "better"
but given that that could be rather tedious I am unwilling to set
about it unless I can be certain that some sort of betterment will
arise.

I resisted IMAP for quite a while, mostly because Eudora Pro updates went away before they'd really gotten IMAP to work well. When I switched to Thunderbird I initially kept my email delivery set to POP, but I've since become a convert to IMAP, and will attest that it takes a change of point of view, but it isn't any more tedious on a day-to-day basis (and for some issues, like access to a provider's spam folder, considerably less tedious).

William wrote:

Create a Rule or a Filter to place your Groups.IO messages in a
specific folder or your Inbox.

You wrote:

Not much help if your ISP closes the gate and doesn't let them in.

It will help with the spam filtering if you can set up the filter on the provider's webmail interface. The messages moved from Spam to INBOX will then download by POP like any others.

But no, it won't help for delays or actual rejections.

Shal


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Wayne,

As best I can tell, default is that first post must be moderated.
Can I turn that off?
It appears I must check one of the boxes?

As Frances said, you can't turn that off without turning at least one other one.

Not restricted.

Then the simplest thing to do is simply approve members' messages as they arrive in Pending.

It won't take long before the most active members have all had their 1st post approved, at which point it will become increasingly rare that you have to approve another.

You don't have to do any extra work beyond that 1st approval for members that post. In many groups the majority of members "lurk" without posting, those members won't take any work at all until and unless they decide to post.

Shal


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Duane,

On Apr 7, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

I've added a link to this message on our wiki page about Comcast, /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Comcast.net

This Wiki page refers to 2 messages:

Also see:

/g/GroupManagersForum/message/31011

They both say to "Save" or "Keep" messages marked as Spam,
but conflict as to whether to "Enable Spam filtering" or not.

My experience is that Comcast's Spam filtering should not be enabled, and messages marked as Spam should be kept.

Comcast is my provider, and I use Apple Mail.
I have Comcast/XFinity set to "Keep" and have "Enable Spam filtering" unchecked as Mark's 2018-01-09 beta message recommends.


I haven't 'missed' Groups.io messages from any of the groups I own via Comcast
(I checked my Email Delivery History logs - I also receive them at a least one other email address from different providers)

Some 2019-07-28 & 29 beta & GMF messages were throttled, but delivered.

However 2 GMF messages (Jan 13 & Jan 23) did bounce mx2.comcast.net: 550 5.1.0 Invalid sender domain


Michael

Yeah, that was my final step but I was trying to figure out what I did wrong.? I assume you're a techie so I would bet you know how that feels.? :)

?? Why not just delete the bouncing addresses and add them again with the correct addresses?

Jonathan

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Why not just delete the bouncing addresses and add them again with the correct addresses?

Jonathan

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Nope. beginning of a question.? Premium, yes; edit one of the mal-transformed eAddresses, yes; but I can't edit the others.? I can manually change them but they won't save.? The one message received by one of the five blocked pretty much shows how to kill the block but I was able to edit her eAddress.... not so much the others.

On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 05:25 PM, Rob Lockhart wrote:

Is there a less than obvious method for me to modify the incorrectly-xlated email addresses to what they really are

It seems we're coming in to the middle of a conversation.? I don't find any previous messages from you explaining what you're talking about.

If you did a paid transfer, your group is Premium so you can change email addresses for members.

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Not restricted.

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My bounces aren't working that way.? During the conversion from Yahoo to groups.io, 5 of my group's addresses were converted to name@... instead of the actual email addresses, hence the big B.? I was able to edit one of the 5 by using her bounce message (she was getting the bounce message on her actual address) link to fix it but I don't have direct access to the olther four.? Is there a less than obvious method for me to modify the incorrectly-xlated email addresses to what they really are and then fix the bounce blocks so I can finally release this group for public use after four months?

Cal,

> About every 3 days, I've been getting an email with the subject:
> Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

The three day cadence is consistent with Groups.io's bouncing mechanism, when in the "bouncing" (blue B) status. It will give up after the fifth such message, then you'd be in the "bounced" (red B) status.

> It appears that mail from the group identified in the email is still
> coming through.

That shouldn't be the case, in either bouncing or bounced status. Is it possible the group messages are coming through a different email address (that is, is it possible you have two accounts at Groups.io, one bouncing one not)? Check the email address in the footer (near the Unsubscribe link) of any message you receive from the group and compare that to the address which received the bouncing notices.

> When I go to the bounces page from that email, the most recent bounce
> shows as being a year and a half ago.

That link might take you to the bounces page of whatever account (email address) you are currently logged in with, which might not be the address which is bouncing, if you have more than one email address registered at Groups.io. Note that the address which is bouncing might not be subscribed to the same groups as the address which isn't.

Shal

Messages don't count against usage, *that's* what I was missing - thanks!

?? George