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The archive was positively was not public. I've reported the bug on beta.
Best, Marv

Can a particular subgroup be restricted to the membership? I have a group (cycling club) and want a private subgroup for just the board members that I do not want the entire membership to access. Can a single subgroup be restricted?

Thanks

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 04:54 AM, EJP wrote:

This is a bug. I am not a member of a group until membership approval takes place, and I should not receive digests before that.

I can't reconstruct the problem, but I agree. I recently experienced a different problem with digest delivery (ref:?), but haven't been able to replicate that, either.

I'm now wondering if these may have arisen in association with a recent (Feb 28) change in timing of digest delivery (ref:?). In any event, I agree with Duane that someone who has actually experienced this should be the one to report it.?

Regards,
Bruce

Shai
It appears your suggestion did the trick all now appear to be normal. And you are correct I have been using Thunderbird for years.
Many thanks
Neil

My test is completed.? When attempting to join a restricted group with private archives, no digest was sent.? I suspect that the groups that EJP joined have public archives, so not a data leak.? As others have mentioned, I think this should still be considered a bug.? It would be best if someone that's experienced the anomaly reported it on the beta group so they could furnish any other details of the process.

Duane
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My thought:
You are either a member (of a group) - in which case you get (subject to your choice) messages by e-mail (individually or otherwise), or not - in which case you don't (and shouldn't).? A pending member is not (yet) a member: they only become a member once approved. Hence they should not get message e-mails (in any form).
=> this is a bug.

Accessibility of group archives, if public, is an irrelevance.

Jeremy

>?can you positively confirm that the two groups to which you referred?are?Restricted. (i.e. applicants requiring moderator approval)

Yes, of course, otherwise I wouldn't be reporting an issue about receiving a digest before subscription approval. I don't know why I am being asked to reiterate this.

> Did they require you to submit a response to a Pending Subscription message

Yes.

> and if so did you send one to each of them?

Yes.

> And exactly what notifications did you receive that your membership requests had been passed?

Further messages from the moderators. In both cases I mentioned the issue to them.

This is a bug. I am not a member of a group until membership approval takes place, and I should not receive digests before that. Consider if the membership had been disapproved: this would have been a prima facie information leak.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 02:47 AM, Christopher W. wrote:

To the people who've been around longer: is this the sort of thing that
should be reported to [email protected] so that they're aware of the
situation with this host?

No, the members should report it to their mail service provider.? The 4xx isn't serious and GIO will try resending the message.? The 5xx is a hard bounce, so GIO won't send it again.

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On 2020-04-05 at 9:24:24 AM, Niman H <nimanh2000@...> wrote:

I checked my bouncing members list today and found several there, all with
the same message as the response: "mailstore1.secureserver.net: 421
p3plibsmtp01-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net CMGW Connection refused, too
many sessions from 66.175.222.12. Please lower the number of concurrent
sessions. IB007 <> "
<SNIP>

To the people who've been around longer: is this the sort of thing that
should be reported to [email protected] so that they're aware of the
situation with this host? E.g., is there a per-host configuration that is
maintained that would, say, throttle messages being sent to avoid/limit
these soft of bounces.

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On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 08:50 PM, Loren Lang wrote:

I am trying to better understand how calendar permissions for modifying events work between the different levels.

Moderators/Owners can edit any event.? Members can only modify events they've created.

The lock button prevents changes to any RSVP responses for the event.

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I am trying to better understand how calendar permissions for modifying events work between the different levels. Looking on the help page, I do not even see the work Calendar mentioned. From what I understand, there are 4 levels of access: public, member, moderator, and owner. As far as modifying an event, there is no difference between a moderator or an owner. Public can have either view access or no access. What I'm not sure about is the different access permissions between members that can edit and moderators.

As a regular member, I have permission to edit events on this particular calendar. There are event created by moderators, but I cannot modify them in any way. Is this always the case? And also, creating events as a regular member, can other members modify my event? I would expect that moderators always can.

There is also a button that allows me to lock an event. What does that do exactly?

- Loren

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 05:18 PM, Cal wrote:

Neither of those emails showed up in the topic list, and they didn't get distributed to the group.? What's going on there?

Have you looked at your Activity log to see if there are any clues there?

Chris

Yes, Chris, I have now disabled uploading of photos. We don't have such albums anyway, at least for now. Unless my other owner just disabled attachments, it had already been set to strip them. So, if it had been set to strip them before, it didn't in the case of embedded pictures. It might be stripping attached pictures with links to them, but not embedded.

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 09:06 PM, Herb Gellis wrote:

Attachments are disallowed (stripped from email). I just set photos to disallowed now.

Do you mean that you have also disabled the uploading of Photos to the Photo Albums as well; if so did you really mean to do that? Just setting attachments to be stripped is enough to stop attachments without disabling Photo uploads.

And you can still run HTML, although IIRC someone really determined could still possibly insert a photo into a message, but I suspect that the likelihood would be pretty small.

Chris

OK, with photos disabled, attachments stripped (as before), an email with an embedded picture comes through with a bounding box where the picture would be, showing the alternate text inside, that would be displayed in a text-only situation. I am using Thunderbird to send the email, and it has an option to embed a picture. If the picture is attached, but not embedded, the link shown basically is an empty page. If the photo is a link whose picture is not attached to the message (hence an ordinary hyperlink), then that link works, no photo is embedded. So I think the combination of no photos with attachments stripped will do it.

Yes, attachments are set to be stripped. I would not want to set plain text only however. I'll have to test and see if I can still eliminate photos. I have another group to test with.

Attachments are disallowed (stripped from email). I just set photos to disallowed now.

Cal,

About every 3 days, I've been getting an email with the subject:
Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

The three day cadence is consistent with Groups.io's bouncing mechanism, when in the "bouncing" (blue B) status. It will give up after the fifth such message, then you'd be in the "bounced" (red B) status.

It appears that mail from the group identified in the email is still
coming through.

That shouldn't be the case, in either bouncing or bounced status. Is it possible the group messages are coming through a different email address (that is, is it possible you have two accounts at Groups.io, one bouncing one not)? Check the email address in the footer (near the Unsubscribe link) of any message you receive from the group and compare that to the address which received the bouncing notices.

When I go to the bounces page from that email, the most recent bounce
shows as being a year and a half ago.

That link might take you to the bounces page of whatever account (email address) you are currently logged in with, which might not be the address which is bouncing, if you have more than one email address registered at Groups.io. Note that the address which is bouncing might not be subscribed to the same groups as the address which isn't.

Shal


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Is there a link to "reset" your bouncing status? Don't click it, but
hover over it and see if it leads to groups.io or some other site,
which could host malware of advertising. It sounds like it could be a
fishing scam but I thought I'd suggest checking it out.

Donald

On Sun, 05 Apr 2020 09:09:29 -0700, "Cal" <mainevent@...> wrote:

About every 3 days, I've been getting an email with the subject:
Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing
Is that a legitimate message?

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Elizabeth,

There's nothing left on the Yahoo account. Someone in the group did
save them as a couple of zip files, ...

What Frances and Donald said.

Another possibility is if you or a group member requested a Get My Data download from Yahoo then the content of that download can be uploaded or imported to your Groups.io group. By "import" I mean that you'd give the archive to Groups.io to import into your group for you, rather than you uploading the individual items.

Shal


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