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I am about to make my list active here. I have one member who can't sign in. I think she does not remember her password or sign in name.
How can I get her to sign in?

Thanks

Anita

Jonathan,

I'll try rebooting. I thought restarting the program would make the
change, but perhaps not.

In my experience neither was necessary - the option took effect as soon as I closed the config editor and Options dialog.

You do need to be running a new enough version of Thunderbird: 52.4 or later. But you shouldn't even see the option if you were running an older version.

In that version and later the default value of "mail.override_list_reply_to" is "True", you want it to be "False" to restore Reply-To behavior.

Shal

I'll try rebooting. I thought restarting the program would make the change, but perhaps not.

Thanks.

Jonathan

On 12/17/2017 7:11 PM, John P wrote:

Jonathan
I had the same problem as you Jonathan so I rebooted and tried again. After reboot the T'bird "Reply" button did actually send to the group. However, the pop up message when the mouse is hovered over "Reply" still indicates that the reply would go to the sender and not the group. There is a chance that my reboot of the computer may have coincided with Mark's removal of the List-Post header. I guess I'll never know.
As Shal mentioned, now that Mark has removed the List Post header, it's a moot point.
John P
As Shal mentioned, it's a moot point now.

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On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 12:40 pm, Jonathan Sivier wrote:

As you say it is now not a problem with message from Groups.io (and thank you to whoever helped fix it). However, I still wonder how to get the setting for Thunderbird to take effect. As far as I can tell it never did anything. There are other email lists that have this behavior and if I can make them work the way I expect lists to work then that would be nice.

Jonathan

I had the same problem as you Jonathan so I rebooted and tried again. After reboot the T'bird "Reply" button did actually send to the group. However, the pop up message when the mouse is hovered over "Reply" still indicates that the reply would go to the sender and not the group. There is a chance that my reboot of the computer may have coincided with Mark's removal of the List-Post header. I guess I'll never know.

As Shal mentioned, now that Mark has removed the List Post header, it's a moot point.

John P

As Shal mentioned, it's a moot point now.

Jonathan,

Are you making the configuration change to mail.override_list_reply_to? When I toggled the change from True to False, I noticed it fixed it.

?? As you say it is now not a problem with message from Groups.io (and thank you to whoever helped fix it).? However, I still wonder how to get the setting for Thunderbird to take effect.? As far as I can tell it never did anything.? There are other email lists that have this behavior and if I can make them work the way I expect lists to work then that would be nice.

Jonathan

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As you say it is now not a problem with message from Groups.io (and thank you to whoever helped fix it). However, I still wonder how to get the setting for Thunderbird to take effect. As far as I can tell it never did anything. There are other email lists that have this behavior and if I can make them work the way I expect lists to work then that would be nice.

Jonathan

Jonathan,

I made the change to the configuration you mention, but the default
action for Reply is still to reply to the original sender.

As Duane reported, this should now be a moot point - Mark has removed the List-Post header that had been added a few days ago.

So in Thunderbird, now replies to group messages should once again go where the group's "Reply To" setting directs.

Shal

I made the change to the configuration you mention, but the default action for Reply is still to reply to the original sender. I tried restarting Thunderbird and checked that the configuration is still set to False. Is there something further I need to do to get this to take effect?

Thanks.

Jonathan

Good news for those that are having this problem: (public archives, so no need to join to read it)

Duane

On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 04:06 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

There's been a patch to restore the old behavior of Reply, but you have to configure it in your copy of Tbird:
"I implemented a preference mail.override_list_reply_to in bug 1392371.
When set to false (default: true) this will restore the TB 45
behaviour. This will ship in TB 52.4 ..."

Thank you Shal, I have made the suggested changes mentioned above and am delighted that TBird now behaves as it used to.

Much appreciated,

John P

Cacky,

My version of Thunderbird allows me to "Reply" which goes to sender,
or use the dropdown labeled "Reply List" which gives me both options.
I'm confused that others with T'bird don't have the same options.

I had those same options.

My complaint is that the behavior of Reply changed from "Reply to Group" - which it was up until Mark added the List-Post header field - to "Reply to Sender". That unexpected change caused me to accidentally send many messages off-list on groups (such as beta and GMF) where the default is supposed to be "to the group".

I've used the config option to eliminate the new "feature", so I'm back to normal now. But that doesn't solve Drew's original complaint.

Shal

My version of Thunderbird allows me to "Reply" which goes to sender, or use the dropdown labeled "Reply List" which gives me both options.? I'm confused that others with T'bird don't have the same options.

Cacky

Hi all,

This week's change log:


Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

* Added List-Post header to email messages.

This one apparently affects only users of the Thunderbird email application. If you use a different interface and are affected, speak out.

What it does is change the behavior of Reply to be "Reply to sender only" and adds a new Reply List button that replies to the group. After consideration I'm convinced this is the wrong answer. The traditional behavior of Reply (the reply is sent according to the group's Reply To setting) should not have been changed; but that's a Thunderbird issue. See the topics on GMF@ and beta@ if you want more detail.
/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/7556665



Comments about these others are also welcome:

CHANGE: Member leaving activity logs no longer link the member name/email address.
INTERNAL: Speed up Activities viewing.
INTERNAL: Work on speeding up the /topics view.
NEW: New poll results view.
BUGFIX: When editing an event in a different timezone, the times did not match the event timezone.
BUGFIX: Searching groups by starting letter excluded groups that began with a capital letter.
INTERNAL: Removed old sticky thread database indexes.


Please call out any you find significant.

Shal

John,

Your comments about Thunderbird behaviour being likely to persist for
some time is enough to make me reach for a glass of red wine.

There's been a patch to restore the old behavior of Reply, but you have to configure it in your copy of Tbird:
"I implemented a preference mail.override_list_reply_to in bug 1392371.
When set to false (default: true) this will restore the TB 45
behaviour. This will ship in TB 52.4 ..."


That works, but restores Drew's original complaint: there's no button to reply to sender rather than to group - one has to copy/paste the sender address. Instead both Reply List and Reply reply to list, which for his issue is not an improvement and is arguably worse since one would rationally infer that they would differ.

The rest of that Bugzilla item states that the new default behavior (ignore Reply-To when List-Post is present) won't be changed. There's quite a bit of push-back on that, but I'm not sure where that will go. Myself I think the obvious and simple answer has been missed: in the presence of List-Post add both a Reply Sender and a Reply List button, and leave the traditional behavior of Reply alone.

Shal

On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 02:14 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

I certainly hear you there. In fact I had to change the To of this message because I had started by typing Ctrl+R (Reply) - so I'm going to have to be ever vigilant about this in my Groups.io groups until either Groups.io undoes this or Thunderbird fixes their poor choice. And with Thunderbird, unless you have the time and talent to take on the fix yourself (I have neither) there's scant chance of getting it taken care of absent a huge community response.

Shal

Your longstanding reflex reaction when replying is exactly what I am enduring Shal. I'm almost 68 years of age with over 30 years sitting in front of computers and old habits die really hard for me.

Your comments about Thunderbird behaviour being likely to persist for some time is enough to make me reach for a glass of red wine.

:-)
John P

Sharon,

I get individual emails. ?I can mute hashtags from my email. It is in the footer of the email. Check out the post Using Hashtags (received Dec 12, around 10am) in your email.
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/2935

Frances

Sharon,

1. Can people mute hashtags the same way they can mute topics?

Yes.

And if your Message Selection setting is "Following Only" you can follow hashtags the same way you follow topics. That's in the Advanced Preferences expander of your Subscription page in each group.

2. Can groups be combined when they are imported?

Yes.

You simply give the same Groups.io group name to the transfer agent when responding in Step 2 of the transfer.

You can also have the Yahoo Groups transferred into subgroups of a group at Groups.io. Which may or may not be a useful idea, depending on the nature of the groups.

Shal

Jonathan,

Would it be appropriate to send my observation to [email protected]
or is there some other more appropriate place to do so?

As the official "suggestion box", beta@ is really the appropriate place. Especially so in this case since the change was initiated there and there is an active discussion about it.

I'm not a member of that group and don't really feel the need to be
involved in the development of the program.

You don't have to remain a member any longer than it takes to post your concerns. Or you can use your Advanced subscription settings in that group to subscribe to that one topic only, so as to see any replies to your comments.

Shal

John,

As I understand it, the reason for this change is that a Thunderbird
user did not like the fact that it wasn't simple on the Thunderbird
platform to respond to the original sender of a message and suggested
a change which Mark implemented.

There's a little more to it than that. Part of the user's motivation was to make Groups.io's behavior the same as mailman's. Mailman is a reasonably popular program for self-hosted email lists, at least in software communities.


In fact at work I'm on a handful of lists distributed by Mailman, so I'll be facing this issue regardless of Groups.io's ultimate decision. I hadn't yet noticed though, because I haven't replied on those lists since work switched to Thunderbird a few months ago.

My personal experience with discussion groups is that I wish to
respond to the entire group 99% of the time and maybe contact a member
privately the other 1%. Now I have to alter my ingrained behaviour to
make what was the exception, become the rule.

I certainly hear you there. In fact I had to change the To of this message because I had started by typing Ctrl+R (Reply) - so I'm going to have to be ever vigilant about this in my Groups.io groups until either Groups.io undoes this or Thunderbird fixes their poor choice. And with Thunderbird, unless you have the time and talent to take on the fix yourself (I have neither) there's scant chance of getting it taken care of absent a huge community response.

Shal

1. Can people mute hashtags the same way they can mute topics?

2. Can groups be combined when they are imported?

Sharon
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