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Re: What will you do with your Y! Groups?

David P. Dillard
 

Back in 2004 I had my first group suddenly disappear from Yahoo permanently. My theme song since then is to back it up. If that ever happens one has simply lost their entire content forever, unless one wishes and can reconstruct the content from their email in a new group and that is a huge undertaking.

All enjoy the coming holiday season.

Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@...

On Wed, 13 Dec 2017, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I don't believe in dupes. One place for the group and that's it. I'm very very organized that way. I did that for another group. Give them a month to move and if they did not they didn't and have to either contact me or except the invite I gave them during the transfer. If they did not they will be left behind Since I see them on other social platforms they come back to the group if they so choose, Iv'e kept most of these three hundred members over the corse of I think 13 years now and over 5 moves of said group.

Take care

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Re: What will you do with your Y! Groups?

 

Hey all, I know I've been absent, but I saw this topic and decided to weigh in.

I have not deleted, but closed all of my Y-Groups to posting except Mods and Members. I created an alternate place on groups.io for M & M people to come, but John has always felt that itwould not be appropriate to bring over (i.e. transfer), the entire Yahoo Crusade group to Mark's site. So I have never done that.

John felt it would be like putting a group on Mark's site that would be competing with Mark because the main purpose of the group was to get Yahoo to restore Classic Groups. I no longer believe that can ever happen. But the members asked me to leave it open, and so it remains open, with archives available, and people like yourself, Shal, who help to answer questions that are far out of my league. And I really appreciate that.

Any other Y-groups I'm involved in, I am simply a member in, and occasionally, like in our old BBS one, people will post. One person just did that this week.

I have simply become too overwhelmed with real life (my elderly parents and more), that I have had to stop trying to stay on top of Beta, and I very marginally stay on top some reading in here.

I don't see a reason people should delete their groups either. I did bring the entire archives of MM over here, because it had a ton of information I didn't want to just disappear, but as I said, I have never transferred the 600 member database here.

Besides, for quite awhile, Yahoo wouldn't even let you delete a group, or even leave one. As for deleting my Yahoo mail accounts, I wouldn't even consider it, as we pay for AT&T Internet, and that is the same as Yahoo. I keep hoping though, that maybe AT&T will decide that it wants to run a server independent of Yahoo.

Anyway, that's my opinion on it all.

Brenda
Nightowl >8#
Re: What will you do with your Y! Groups?

 

I don't believe in dupes. One place for the group and that's it. I'm very very organized that way. I did that for another group. Give them a month to move and if they did not they didn't and have to either contact me or except the invite I gave them during the transfer. If they did not they will be left behind Since I see them on other social platforms they come back to the group if they so choose, Iv'e kept most of these three hundred members over the corse of I think 13 years now and over 5 moves of said group.

Take care

On Dec 13, 2017, at 3:59 PM, Arno Martens <snetram@...> wrote:

Wed, 13 Dec 2017 15:07:40 -0800, "Shal Farley" <shals2nd@...>,
wrote:

Sarah,

I would ask everyone to remove their yahoo email and groups. I mean once
all the archives and stuff are transferred over.
Why?
Maybe she is upset seeing these addresses:

"Douglas Swearingen via Groups.Io" <dougiebehr460@...>


I see no point to doing that. I don't buy the idea that it somehow deprives
Verizon/Oath of income, and even if I did I have no interest in doing so -
that would mostly punish other users who for whatever reason still use that
platform.

Whereas I do see value in having the old groups stand as "we've moved"
signs. I've left all the content and membership in place, but have turned
off members' ability to post new web content, and moderated all messages so
that I can re-direct the sender to the new groups here.

Shal

Fully agree with all you said.

I do have an exception and that is a private list for my wife where US,
UK, AUS and CDN users are only put on be me, upon invitation, and I have
mete them all in person over the years.
Attrition makes the list smaller every year and there is no need to keep
the old one.

Arno
Re: invite list has to be approved?

 

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Woops, I uploaded the text file for my group about 2 months ago. Will they just be sent 20 invites per day at a time? I think all of that ?was ?done already. I won't worry about it if not. I'll just resend as I have a back up from a few months ago.


Take care all.

On Dec 13, 2017, at 4:47 PM, moderator <list-owner@...> wrote:

Thanks all. Looks like there is a limit/day but the list got approved within hours of submission, which is not a big deal for me.

- bill

Re: New io group not activated

J_Catlady
 

I'm not sure how old your group is, but if a 2007 message is at the top, is it possible you're viewing the messages in chrono order (oldest at the top) instead of reverse chrono order? If your group started in 2007, click the "Date" button at the top right of the messages list and that will reverse the order.

J

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:36 PM, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:
> Looks that all is in place! Only thing is that is nto right is the old messages
> stop at the year 2007, nothing newer....

One of my groups ran into that. Contact the [email protected] address and report the problem with details about which messages came across and which didn't. It is usually a small glitch in the process that can be easily fixed on Mark's end and the remainder moved over.

Dano
Re: New io group not activated

 

Looks that all is in place! Only thing is that is nto right is the old messages
stop at the year 2007, nothing newer....
One of my groups ran into that. Contact the [email protected] address and report the problem with details about which messages came across and which didn't. It is usually a small glitch in the process that can be easily fixed on Mark's end and the remainder moved over.

Dano
Re: What will you do with your Y! Groups?

 

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I agree.? There are valid reasons for leaving a skeleton.

Cacky


On 12/13/2017 5:07 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

Sarah,

I would ask everyone to remove their yahoo email and groups. I mean once all the archives and stuff are transferred?over.

Why?

I see no point to doing that. I don't buy the idea that it somehow deprives Verizon/Oath of income, and even if I did I have no interest in doing so - that would mostly punish other users who for whatever reason still use that platform.

Whereas I do see value in having the old groups stand as "we've moved" signs. I've left all the content and membership in place, but have turned off members' ability to post new web content, and moderated all messages so that I can re-direct the sender to the new groups here.

Shal
Re: What will you do with your Y! Groups?

 

Arno,

Maybe she is upset seeing these addresses:

"Douglas Swearingen via Groups.Io" <dougiebehr460=yahoo.com@groups.io>

Heh, there is that.

But if changing to another provider beware: Yahoo isn't the only one that requires mangling. AOL does and I think Hotmail too.

Shal
Re: What will you do with your Y! Groups?

 

We will post a notice that the groups have been moved and set all posts to be moderated, along with shutting down posting of new files, photos, etc. If anyone show up they will get a message that the groups have moved. We are constrained a bit because the original, and sole, owner of the group, lost his login credentials, which are associated with a non-yahoo address and yahoo won't let him recover them. We can't delete the group even if we wish to do so.

bill
Re: invite list has to be approved?

 

Thanks all. Looks like there is a limit/day but the list got approved within hours of submission, which is not a big deal for me.

- bill
Re: What will you do with your Y! Groups?

Arno Martens
 

Wed, 13 Dec 2017 15:07:40 -0800, "Shal Farley" <shals2nd@...>,
wrote:

Sarah,

I would ask everyone to remove their yahoo email and groups. I mean once
all the archives and stuff are transferred over.
Why?
Maybe she is upset seeing these addresses:

"Douglas Swearingen via Groups.Io" <dougiebehr460@...>


I see no point to doing that. I don't buy the idea that it somehow deprives
Verizon/Oath of income, and even if I did I have no interest in doing so -
that would mostly punish other users who for whatever reason still use that
platform.

Whereas I do see value in having the old groups stand as "we've moved"
signs. I've left all the content and membership in place, but have turned
off members' ability to post new web content, and moderated all messages so
that I can re-direct the sender to the new groups here.

Shal

Fully agree with all you said.

I do have an exception and that is a private list for my wife where US,
UK, AUS and CDN users are only put on be me, upon invitation, and I have
mete them all in person over the years.
Attrition makes the list smaller every year and there is no need to keep
the old one.

Arno
Re: What will you do with your Y! Groups?

 

Sarah,

I would ask everyone to remove their yahoo email and groups. I mean once all the archives and stuff are transferred?over.

Why?

I see no point to doing that. I don't buy the idea that it somehow deprives Verizon/Oath of income, and even if I did I have no interest in doing so - that would mostly punish other users who for whatever reason still use that platform.

Whereas I do see value in having the old groups stand as "we've moved" signs. I've left all the content and membership in place, but have turned off members' ability to post new web content, and moderated all messages so that I can re-direct the sender to the new groups here.

Shal
Re: invite list has to be approved?

 

Is that per group or per group owner? I am owner of several groups and could potentially, in a rare situation, want to send more than 20 invites spread over multiple groups. Less than 20 per group, but more than 20 altogether. Obviously I can spread that over multiple days, but it would be good to know what the actual limitations are. In Yahoo the limit was 100 and I know that if I invited 2 to one group and 3 to another it counted as 5 against the total. I'm not sure how it would deal with multiple owners/moderators and multiple groups. That is if I am co-owner with person A in one group and co-owner with person B in another group and I invite 2 people to the first group and 3 to the second and person A invites another 4 people to group 1 and person B invites 6 people to group 2 how many does that constitute with respect to the limits? Is this documented somewhere?

Jonathan

On 12/13/2017 3:50 PM, Duane wrote:
Yes, because of spammers, Mark had set a limit, "20 people in a 24 hour period" and I don't think that's changed.? More info at
Duane
Re: invite list has to be approved?

 

Yes, because of spammers, Mark had set a limit, "20 people in a 24 hour period" and I don't think that's changed.? More info at

Duane
Re: What will you do with your Y! Groups?

 

I migrated my group from Yahoo to Groups.io a little over a year ago.
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The Yahoo group still sits there, but any new subscribers are referred to groups.io.? At some point it will be closed but for now to appease the group members it remains open.? There are no new members allowed there or new postings.
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We have found groups.io much easier to use, as well as more user friendly.? As far as user support, Mark does an excellent job.? I would never want to return to Yahoo Groups.
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Best Regards,
Doug


On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 1:59 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:


I would ask everyone to remove their yahoo email and groups. I mean once all the archives and stuff are transferred?over. I did this with one of the groups I ran. I removed every trace of it off the other place, gave people a month to switch over, if they did not, they lost their chance. Of corse they could always resubscribe the normal way once they come across the group either through the invite I sent or through word of mouth..

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Re: What will you do with your Y! Groups?

 

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I would ask everyone to remove their yahoo email and groups. I mean once all the archives and stuff are transferred?over. I did this with one of the groups I ran. I removed every trace of it off the other place, gave people a month to switch over, if they did not, they lost their chance. Of corse they could always resubscribe the normal way once they come across the group either through the invite I sent or through word of mouth..

On Dec 13, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Duane,

I know some plan to keep the Y! groups in place for awhile, if nothing more than an archive or pointer to io,

Yup. A "we've moved" sign for anyone that comes across them.

but will you eventually delete them?? Will you ask your members to delete their Y! accounts if possible?

No and no.

In fact I'll try to remember to keep my accounts active so that I can continue to "reject with reply" anyone who happens to post in those groups.

Shal
Re: invite list has to be approved?

 

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I believe so. I sent out 300 envites, the thing had to approve all of the invite list and send it to the valid email addresses.

Take care

On Dec 13, 2017, at 11:47 AM, moderator <list-owner@...> wrote:

I am moving a list from yahoo groups to .? Rather than migrating the list, which would create a different set of problems, we set up the group here, and sent an invite email to users of the old list, using the invite function and a text file.? I uploaded the text file and got this message:

Once your invites have been approved, they will be sent out. You will receive a notification when this happens.

I am wondering, approved by whom? I have not seen this message before when sending out invites. Does this mean that someone at has to look at the invite list before the invites go out? If so, does the number of emails in an invite list trigger this review? Does anyone know how long this takes?

Thanks,
Bill

invite list has to be approved?

 

I am moving a list from yahoo groups to groups.io.? Rather than migrating the list, which would create a different set of problems, we set up the group here, and sent an invite email to users of the old list, using the invite function and a text file.? I uploaded the text file and got this message:

Once your invites have been approved, they will be sent out. You will receive a notification when this happens.

I am wondering, approved by whom? I have not seen this message before when sending out invites. Does this mean that someone at groups.io has to look at the invite list before the invites go out? If so, does the number of emails in an invite list trigger this review? Does anyone know how long this takes?

Thanks,
Bill
Re: New io group not activated

 

? ? Looks that all is in place! Only thing is that is nto right is the old messages stop at the year 2007, nothing newer....

poikaa
Re: What will you do with your Y! Groups?

 

Duane,

I know some plan to keep the Y! groups in place for awhile, if nothing more than an archive or pointer to io,

Yup. A "we've moved" sign for anyone that comes across them.

but will you eventually delete them?? Will you ask your members to delete their Y! accounts if possible?

No and no.

In fact I'll try to remember to keep my accounts active so that I can continue to "reject with reply" anyone who happens to post in those groups.

Shal
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