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Re: GIO changes from Mark

 

Thanks. It is a learning curve.

I have a different question on how to set a profile on a sub-group that is different from the profile on a primary group ( reflecting different roles). As far as I have found it is possible for owners to do this, but not for ordinary members. Should that be a new topic?

Jeff

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Sent: 11 January 2020 23:39
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Subject: Re: [GMF] GIO changes from Mark

Jeff,

> If we set the main group as an 'announcement group' so that only > owners and moderators can post to it, and set 'Disable No Email' that > should mean that everyone on any sub-group should get receive any > emails sent on it. Have I got that right?

In that case if you post it as a special notice it will be sent to everyone on the primary group. And that's true regardless of whether the primary group is set to Announcement Group.

"Receive" is somewhat more slippery, as a given member's email service may reject a given message, or deliver it to Spam, or the member may fail to notice or open it. There's nothing really to be done about those factors.

> That should mean that the everyday business of discussion, questions > and replies can be carried on in sub-groups.

Sure.

That's true of the primary group as well, if you want to allow some discussions there that transcend the focus of any given subgroup.

Too, subgroups can have Special Notices of their own, if need be.

Shal


Re: GIO changes from Mark

 

Jeff,

If we set the main group as an 'announcement group' so that only
owners and moderators can post to it, and set 'Disable No Email' that
should mean that everyone on any sub-group should get receive any
emails sent on it. Have I got that right?
In that case if you post it as a special notice it will be sent to everyone on the primary group. And that's true regardless of whether the primary group is set to Announcement Group.

"Receive" is somewhat more slippery, as a given member's email service may reject a given message, or deliver it to Spam, or the member may fail to notice or open it. There's nothing really to be done about those factors.

That should mean that the everyday business of discussion, questions
and replies can be carried on in sub-groups.
Sure.

That's true of the primary group as well, if you want to allow some discussions there that transcend the focus of any given subgroup.

Too, subgroups can have Special Notices of their own, if need be.

Shal


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Re: GIO changes from Mark

dave w
 

I personally don't see any problems with the change; it may be that 'sub-groups' were a way to avoid the limits on storage. I dont know for sure; but it seems reasonable to actually limit free access if that is why.
regards d


Re: GIO changes from Mark

 

Thanks, Shal
If we set the main group as an 'announcement group' so that only owners and moderators can post to it, and set 'Disable No Email' that should mean that everyone on any sub-group should get receive any emails sent on it. Have I got that right?
That should mean that the everyday business of discussion, questions and replies can be carried on in sub-groups.

Jeff

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Sent: 11 January 2020 23:15
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Jeff,

What Malcolm and Frances said: the subgroups operate as independent groups, except that each subgroup member must also be a member of the primary group. Messages posted only to one do not post to the other.

So the messages a subgroup member receives will depend on their subscription settings in each of the subgroup and the primary group.

Shal


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Re: GIO changes from Mark

 

Jeff,

What Malcolm and Frances said: the subgroups operate as independent groups, except that each subgroup member must also be a member of the primary group. Messages posted only to one do not post to the other.

So the messages a subgroup member receives will depend on their subscription settings in each of the subgroup and the primary group.

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Re: GIO changes from Mark

 

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Not Shal, but delivery of messages for individual members are governed by their own subscription.

So if someone is ¡°no mail¡± or special notices only for the main group, they will not receive them.?

Since all subgroup members must be members of the main group, they have the capability of receiving them. They may not choose to.

Frances

On Jan 11 20, at 5:39 PM, Jeff Coleman via Groups.Io <jeff.coleman@...> wrote:

Shal?
Can you confirm that a message sent out on a Main group will automatically reach everyone on all sub-groups?



Re: GIO changes from Mark

 

If I understand the system correctly, it's not possible to be in a subgroup without also being in the main group. That said, it does seem possible to receive subgroup emails but set nomail for the main group emails.

Malcolm.


Re: GIO changes from Mark

 

Shal
Can you confirm that a message sent out on a Main group will automatically reach everyone on all sub-groups?

thanks
Jeff

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Sent: 11 January 2020 21:15
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Subject: Re: [GMF] GIO changes from Mark

June,

> I hate the idea of rushing to create a whole bunch of subgroups which > may or may not be actually be needed in the future but at the moment I > don't see any alternative.

There is no need.

Your primary group was created before the 15th, so its ability to create new subgroups will be "grandfathered in" - not just the specific subgroups you have now.


Shal


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John,

Their delivery log shows: "451 4.7.650 The mail server [xxxxxxxxx] has
been temporarily rate limited due to IP reputation."
Presumably the IP address cited was 66.175.222.12, Groups.io's outbound server.

It seems that Outlook filters our messages because of the volume
coming from Groups IO.
This wouldn't be a function of their email application, unless that is also their email service. "Outlook" is confusing in this regard because the name could mean either or both.

Is there a fix for this?
The member needs to find a way to tell their email service not to rate limit messages from Groups.io. Message rejection and rate limiting is not usually something that the user can affect directly by means of address book entries or filters or otherwise; so it would likely require an appeal to the service's customer support to review Groups.io and treat it as a "trusted" sender ("whitelist" it).

Or failing that choose a better email service.

Shal


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Re: GIO changes from Mark

 

Duane,

It appears the 20GB storage change has taken affect, as my group now shows the increase.

Don


Re: member activity history

 

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Chris,

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Well yes, although I would be interested to know what you plan to do with it once you find it! FWIW I usually have a quick look when anyone leaves just to see how active they were previously and the usual finding is "not very"!

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I explained in my last mail to Duane why we want to know who is the member who left. We upload quite a lot of stuff concerning members and their animals. And I was quite surprised there isn?t the same activity history concerning structural facts like joining, changing mail adresses or display names etc. With yahoo it was all listed at one klick. But groups.io has so many superior features that it?s not really an issue. It would just have been nice to have.


Starting with the email notification of someone having left, copy the email address of the person concerned.
Then go to Admin > Activity and paste that into the box above Date faintly filled with "Search" (which will disappear). I usually search for "All Actions" which produces a list of everything the person did.
If you want to limit the search to messages posted then select Sent Message in the Actions box.

If you want to search more generally (in terms of members who have left) then leave the Search box empty and select "Left" as the Actions.
This will bring up a list of all those who have left... unsurprisingly. At this point it can become tedious as any person you want to investigate further has to be copied and pasted into the full Activity log for a further search on their individual activity.

One point; I don't know if this is true of Premium and Enterprise Groups but while a departed member's group messages are stored any messages to +Owner are not.

Another point, but one not limited to those who have left is that the Activity Log will maintain a record of uploaded Files & Photos, but links to uploaded photos fail if the photo name was edited after the upload. The same "fail" will occur if a created album name is edited as well; I haven't put it to the test but I would not be surprised if similar "fails" arise with uploaded files. There is no obvious workaround for this, at least not one that I have found yet... but then I haven't actively researched it, and currently have no plans to do so!

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This is a lot of information. Thanks

Victoria




Re: Message search by numbers

 

WRB,

Presumably those, too, have been assigned a ¡°message number¡±. How
would one similarly view and search those by message number?
At the time of the import, the imported messages would be assigned sequential numbers, starting at one greater than any message already posted in the group. New messages after the import would continue sequentially from there.

Once you open one of the imported messages, you can page through them by message number. But I don't know of any way to get a list of messages by message number rather than date order.

I presume a request to include message numbers in above sequential
date and time listing would go to Beta?
Correct. Sort by number would be a new option on the Messages list.

Shal


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Re: New owner help please #howto

 

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 03:04 PM, June Genis wrote:
Can this be done at the main group level only or can Albums be created at the sub-group level as well?
Think of each group or subgroup as independent.? The only qualifier is that all subgroup members must be members of the main group.? Otherwise, they mostly have all the same options, such as Files, Photos, etc.

One word of warning:? It's best not to use a direct link to a photo within an album.? It would look something like /g/GROUPNAME/photo/233654/1, but? the 1 on the end can change if other photos are added or removed.? There are requests in to make these links static, but we don't know when or if that will happen.? Best to point to the album, /g/GROUPNAME/album?id=233654, and describe the photo, by name it's a good one.

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Re: GIO changes from Mark

 

June,

I hate the idea of rushing to create a whole bunch of subgroups which
may or may not be actually be needed in the future but at the moment I
don't see any alternative.
There is no need.

Your primary group was created before the 15th, so its ability to create new subgroups will be "grandfathered in" - not just the specific subgroups you have now.


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Re: Should new co-owners also be moderators? #owner #moderators

 

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 04:04 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
A co - owner has full moderator powers and privileges by default.

True, but the co-owners needn¡¯t receive all of the moderating emails, etc.?

Their subscription needs altering to stop receiving them.?


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Re: Should new co-owners also be moderators? #owner #moderators

 

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 08:26 PM, kruffing wrote:
I don't plan to make the new owners into moderators.? That's not necessary, right?? They could promote themselves if they wanted?
A co - owner has full moderator powers and privileges by default.

Chris


Re: New owner help please #howto

June Genis
 

Thanks, Maverick.? Can this be done at the main group level only or can Albums be created at the sub-group level as well?? I'm presuming from what you wrote that any member of the appropriate group can create an album. I don't expect most of my members to be using anything other than email, they're not very tech savvy, so I'm guessing that I will end up having to create any albums regardless of who takes the pictures.

June

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 12:27 PM BMaverick <bmaverick@...> wrote:
June,

1. Login and go to your groups webpage on GroupsIO

2. On the left column click on PHOTOS

3. On that page at the top should be a bottom to click on NEW ALBUM

4. Enter the name for the album.

5. Enter the description field

6. Drag and drop photos.? (sometimes a bunch would work, else you got to do one-by-one.? Not sure what the reasoning behind that is.)

BMaverick


Re: New owner help please #howto

 

June,

1. Login and go to your groups webpage on GroupsIO

2. On the left column click on PHOTOS

3. On that page at the top should be a bottom to click on NEW ALBUM

4. Enter the name for the album.

5. Enter the description field

6. Drag and drop photos.? (sometimes a bunch would work, else you got to do one-by-one.? Not sure what the reasoning behind that is.)

BMaverick


Should new co-owners also be moderators? #owner #moderators

 

Friends,

I'm the owner of a smallish group that smoothly made the transfer from Yahoo in November.? We're a group of alumni from a government agency who worked closely together and, yes, take institutional pride.? By "smallish" I mean we have about 125 members (though I expect that to grow, not least because GIO is so, so much better than Yahoo!).

I'm healthy but, hey, not immortal.? And I saw the great consternation that many groups couldn't take advantage of "easy transfer" because a Yahoo group's owner had died, disappeared, or just plain lost interest.? Only an owner could authorize a transfer.

So I plan to ask two trusted members if they wouldn't mind being promoted to owner.

Our group is unmoderated; membership is restricted (i.e., requires approval), but over 10 years there's never been any need to moderate messages except in two cases where members' email accounts were hacked.

I don't plan to make the new owners into moderators.? That's not necessary, right?? They could promote themselves if they wanted?

Thanks in advance,
Kathy


Re: GIO changes from Mark

 


On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 5:57 AM Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@...> wrote:
I'm a GIO-newbie having brought over a family history list from Rootsweb. I actually brought over two lists, one covered a geographical subset of the other so I created the subset as a subgroup. As I'm on the basic/free plan this change will affect me ...

Can someone please explain what 'grandfathering in' means? I have looked in the GMF wiki but maybe need to look further in the documentation.

I don't fully understand GIO yet but I will say that I like what I have seen :-)

Malcolm.?

Here¡¯s the origin of the term ¡°grandfathered¡±:

Larry (the other one)
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