Re: GIO changes from Mark
Thanks Mark and Robert for the explanation of the term. It's a usage I'm not familar with.
I will procede with my plans for other subgroups for logical geographical sub-parts of the county.
Malcolm.
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One of our group members is not receiving emails that everyone else is. They use Outlook as their mail application.
Their delivery log shows: "451 4.7.650 The mail server [xxxxxxxxx] has been temporarily rate limited due to IP reputation."
?It seems that Outlook filters our messages because of the volume coming from Groups IO.
Is there a fix for this?
Thanks!
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Re: What are the issues we may face with Direct Adding members?
#direct
Duane,
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On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:00 PM, Duane wrote:
Anyone that's a member of a group has an account.? They won't initially have a password (and really don't need one if they don't want.)
That's one thing I haven't tested, but your statement is true if one just uses only email to communicate, but if they ever want to visit any other group area (Files, Photos, etc***), then they would have to complete (i.e. add a password) to their GIO account, right?? This is my current understanding, otherwise someone could pretend to be that member and go there with no password. (*** assuming the group is setup as such that access is to members only, not public) Cheers, Christos
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Re: Subgroup for your own Moderator's Forum?
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Bryan,
While the idea itself is sound, IMO, using a subgroup for this would really depend on how many mods you have and whether you want to have any conversations, attachments, files, photos, etc, archived for later reference or reuse when a new mod comes in, etc; if yes, a (private) subgroup would work great with all the features GIO has, although keep in mind that if you don't already have a subgroup already, there are some addressing changes that take place as stated.
Taking into account the caveats already been stated, if you don't care about archiving anything or have maybe a few mods, it'll be less work just doing it through an email list; or use the +owner address as suggested, but keep in mind in this case, in order for this to work effectively, all mods will have to have the receive owner email to ON otherwise this scheme will not work well.
Cheers,
Christos
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Re: GIO changes from Mark
Thanks, Duane.? I see now that I misread the original announcement.? I don't think I'm going to need another?main group but I'm going to give a lot of thought to structure before the deadline.
June
On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 11:35 AM, June Genis wrote:
I hate the idea of rushing to create a whole bunch of subgroups which may or may not be actually be needed in the future but at the moment I don't see any alternative.
As long as you already have the main group, you can still create and delete subgroups as you want, even after the deadline.? If you might want other main/sub groups, you'd need to create the main group now.
Duane
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Re: GIO changes from Mark
On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 11:35 AM, June Genis wrote:
I hate the idea of rushing to create a whole bunch of subgroups which may or may not be actually be needed in the future but at the moment I don't see any alternative.
As long as you already have the main group, you can still create and delete subgroups as you want, even after the deadline.? If you might want other main/sub groups, you'd need to create the main group now. Duane -- GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiHelp: /static/helpSearch button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions
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Re: GIO changes from Mark
Ouch! This throws a big wrench?into my plans as I'm just doing initial?testing an have only created one subgroup.? I anticipate the need for many and as this is strictly a volunteer effort I don't have any funding source to pay for premium.? I hate the idea of rushing to create a whole bunch of subgroups which may or may not be actually be needed in the future but at the moment I don't see any alternative.
June
Grandfathering means that the change will not affect previously created groups.? They will continue under the old policy.
? Bob
I'm a GIO-newbie having brought over a family history list from Rootsweb. I actually brought over two lists, one covered a geographical subset of the other so I created the subset as a subgroup. As I'm on the basic/free plan this change will affect me ...
Can someone please explain what 'grandfathering in' means? I have looked in the GMF wiki but maybe need to look further in the documentation.
I don't fully understand GIO yet but I will say that I like what I have seen :-)
Malcolm.?
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Re: Reinstating Easy Transfer (or paying for it) since Yahoo extended deadline?
#yahoo
#transfer
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Re: Message search by numbers
On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 11:17 AM, txercoupemuseum.org wrote:
Since it is already possible to view our archived messages in sequence by date and time, I was merely asking how to view the assigned message numbers that make that possible. ? While writing this up, I see you have answered this question in your answer to Victoria¡that the message number shows up in email footers.
While online, you can also go into the Messages view and look at each one to the right of the senders name/handle.? Or for any view, while looking within the message or topic, there will be a hyperlink at the upper right of the message that contains the message number.? For example, your message that I'm replying to is 27422. Duane -- GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiHelp: /static/helpSearch button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions
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Re: New owner help please
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This topic has reminded me to ask about the best way to share pictures in Gio.? On a Yahoo group that I used to belong to when someone took a lot of pictures at an event they usually got put in an album.? I have not seem any mention? of albums here since I started following.??
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There were always problems popping up on Yahoo with people being able to see both albums and individual pictures, often tied to what mail handler ws being used.? I can see a roll for both situations in the group I'm setting up.? We have a quilters group here and someone might want to post a picture of their latest creation either to the quilters subgroup or the whole facility,? perhaps as a way to solicit more quilters.? At a party someone might take a whole batch of pictures that someone might want to access with as few clicks as possible.? What are the recommended ways of handing both of these situations in Gio?
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June
Thank you SO much for this information :-)?
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Loving and now loving this Forum :-)
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Sherry
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Re: Comcast problems again?
If she is on her computer,? there is an icon that says not spam. If she is on her phone, there isn't an icon. Instead,? she had to move the email to her inbox. I have to do this with all of Shal's emails for some reason, since Comcast thinks all of his emails are spam.?
Cheryl?
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Reinstating Easy Transfer (or paying for it) since Yahoo extended deadline?
#yahoo
#transfer
Hi all -- I'm new here and not technical.? The original owner of a longstanding Yahoo group didn't transfer the group here before the deadline to take advantage of the Easy Transfer process, and she only recently gave me admin access to move the group here.? I do have the Yahoo group file download.? I managed to import the member list, but I'm very hesitant to try to do the manual process to upload the large (and valuable) message archive and lose all the sender/date information in the process.? I saw in a post here that Mark would be willing to upload the mbox files (I assume this would yield the same benefit of using Easy Transfer, yes?) if I pay for Premium Yearly ($220).? Does that offer still stand?? If so I'd love to do it.? Just tell me what to do.? Thanks! Karen [email protected]
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Re: Message search by numbers 0 Clarification
Regarding my last sentence below: ?I am currently looking at ¡°Activity/Message Activity for messages posted since moving to . ?This format shows message activity and related sequential message numbers. ?Is it possible to get a similar display of archived messages?
WRB
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Hi Duane,
I apologize for my lack of clarity.
Groups,io has established protocol for assigning message numbers. ?The individual date and time of posts establishes that numerical sequence. ?In order to compile their year/month summary, had to similarly sequence those messages brought over from Yahoo Groups. ?In such context, Yahoo message numbers are ¡°dead history¡± and of absolutely no significance.?
With imported historical messages now and forever fixed, had the option of started numbering ALL of our messages ¡°here¡± with number one. ?They instead numbered our messages with number one. ?Fine. ?
Every group has the universal challenge of ¡°wandering subjects¡± within specified ¡°topics¡±. ?While ¡°topics¡± are a good starting point when researching information under discussion, it is frequently only a part of a single message (or a few of them) that I wish to bring forward for current reconsideration. ?Individual message numbers, regardless of origin, are the ideal means of quick and easy specific reference between old and new ¡°content¡± under current discussion. ?
Since it is already possible to view our archived messages in sequence by date and time, I was merely asking how to view the assigned message numbers that make that possible. ? While writing this up, I see you have answered this question in your answer to Victoria¡that the message number shows up in email footers.
I presume a request to include message numbers in above sequential date and time listing would go to Beta?
Best!
WRB
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On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 08:41 AM, wrote:
But at the bottom of our Home Page it says we have originated 12,410 ¡°Topics¡± since April of 2006 although I see no total for the ¡°Message History" year/month summary at the bottom of that page (which includes many, many individual messages brought over from our Yahoo days).
The numbers in the Message History chart are the number of messages for each month, so should add up to a somewhat larger number than the number of Topics (assuming it's not an announcement only group.)? There is no total for those.
Presumably those, too, have been assigned a ¡°message number¡±. ?How would one similarly view and search those by message number?
Because all imported messages have been assigned a new message number on GIO, there won't be an easy way to correlate to YG message numbers.? You'd really need to know some information within a message to search for it, rather than the original number. Duane --?
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Re: member activity history
On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 01:44 PM, Victoria wrote:
After a member has left our group... <snip> ...is there a way to obtain a history of their activities
Well yes, although I would be interested to know what you plan to do with it once you find it! FWIW I usually have a quick look when anyone leaves just to see how active they were previously and the usual finding is "not very"! Starting with the email notification of someone having left, copy the email address of the person concerned. Then go to Admin > Activity and paste that into the box above Date faintly filled with "Search" (which will disappear). I usually search for "All Actions" which produces a list of everything the person did. If you want to limit the search to messages posted then select Sent Message in the Actions box. If you want to search more generally (in terms of members who have left) then leave the Search box empty and select "Left" as the Actions. This will bring up a list of all those who have left... unsurprisingly. At this point it can become tedious as any person you want to investigate further has to be copied and pasted into the full Activity log for a further search on their individual activity. One point; I don't know if this is true of Premium and Enterprise Groups but while a departed member's group messages are stored any messages to +Owner are not. Another point, but one not limited to those who have left is that the Activity Log will maintain a record of uploaded Files & Photos, but links to uploaded photos fail if the photo name was edited after the upload. The same "fail" will occur if a created album name is edited as well; I haven't put it to the test but I would not be surprised if similar "fails" arise with uploaded files. There is no obvious workaround for this, at least not one that I have found yet... but then I haven't actively researched it, and currently have no plans to do so! Chris
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Re: Message search by numbers
Hi Duane,
I apologize for my lack of clarity.
Groups,io has established protocol for assigning message numbers. ?The individual date and time of posts establishes that numerical sequence. ?In order to compile their year/month summary, had to similarly sequence those messages brought over from Yahoo Groups. ?In such context, Yahoo message numbers are ¡°dead history¡± and of absolutely no significance.?
With imported historical messages now and forever fixed, had the option of started numbering ALL of our messages ¡°here¡± with number one. ?They instead numbered our messages with number one. ?Fine. ?
Every group has the universal challenge of ¡°wandering subjects¡± within specified ¡°topics¡±. ?While ¡°topics¡± are a good starting point when researching information under discussion, it is frequently only a part of a single message (or a few of them) that I wish to bring forward for current reconsideration. ?Individual message numbers, regardless of origin, are the ideal means of quick and easy specific reference between old and new ¡°content¡± under current discussion. ?
Since it is already possible to view our archived messages in sequence by date and time, I was merely asking how to view the assigned message numbers that make that possible. ? While writing this up, I see you have answered this question in your answer to Victoria¡that the message number shows up in email footers.
I presume a request to include message numbers in above sequential date and time listing would go to Beta?
Best!
WRB
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On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 08:41 AM, wrote:
But at the bottom of our Home Page it says we have originated 12,410 ¡°Topics¡± since April of 2006 although I see no total for the ¡°Message History" year/month summary at the bottom of that page (which includes many, many individual messages brought over from our Yahoo days).
The numbers in the Message History chart are the number of messages for each month, so should add up to a somewhat larger number than the number of Topics (assuming it's not an announcement only group.)? There is no total for those.
Presumably those, too, have been assigned a ¡°message number¡±. ?How would one similarly view and search those by message number?
Because all imported messages have been assigned a new message number on GIO, there won't be an easy way to correlate to YG message numbers.? You'd really need to know some information within a message to search for it, rather than the original number. Duane --?
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Re: member activity history
They do have the Export function for Activity Logs, just not the Past members page where the information would all be in one place for easy access, nor other details, such as the Notes option.? If you happen to know the email address, you may be able to search the Activity Log with it to find at least some of the information.
Yes, I know. To explain: Our members always have to introduce themselves, and this introduction is saved under their first name in the files. All bloodworks analysis and tests of their animals we do for them are saved there as well. We regularly delete all this when someone unsubscribes. It very seldomly happens that a person is not identifiable, even through the Activity Log? But this is really a "luxury" issue, so never mind.
Victoria
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Re: member activity history
On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 09:39 AM, Victoria wrote:
Since free groups.io don?t seem to have this activity history feature
They do have the Export function for Activity Logs, just not the Past members page where the information would all be in one place for easy access, nor other details, such as the Notes option.? If you happen to know the email address, you may be able to search the Activity Log with it to find at least some of the information. Duane -- GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiHelp: /static/helpSearch button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions
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Re: Comcast problems again?
If the mail is in the Comcast web Spam folder, you just move it to another folder, like Inbox, by dragging or using Move.
If it is not in there I think you have to call Comcast.
Linda Merle
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Re: member activity history
On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 04:14 PM, Duane wrote:
On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 09:07 AM, Victoria wrote:
Then I must live without this feature.
I'm not sure how much extra work you want to do, but you could Export the Activity Log now and then.? It's exported as an html file, so you could use your browser to search for information about an individual.? There may be a way to convert that information to a spreadsheet (to make sorting/searching easier), but I haven't really looked into it.
Duane, thats a good idea anyway, I suppose I will try this in hopeless cases. In the old yahoo days it didn?t really matter if a member had a fantasy display name. I could always track them down within the group by their date of entry. Then I quickly had their names. Since free groups.io don?t seem to have this activity history feature, I have started to change the fantasyy display names of members into recognizable ones. Victoria
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Re: Message search by numbers
On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 09:32 AM, Victoria wrote:
I stop asking stupid questions. Should have known that too.
There's so much information and so many options here on GIO that it can be difficult to keep up with them all.? That's one of the reasons we want to keep the Wiki pages here on GMF as up to date as we can, though there are certainly gaps in the information.? I sure wouldn't want to go back to the early days of GIO - no files, databases, photos, etc. - but do get a bit overwhelmed sometimes. Duane -- GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiHelp: /static/helpSearch button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions
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Christos Psarras
Duane
Cheryl
Victoria