On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 07:50 PM, Laurence Marks wrote:

Authentication-Results: mta4044.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com; 
 dkim=pass (ok) header.i=@... header.s=echoe;
 spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=@...;
 dmarc=pass(p=none sp=NULL dis=none) header.from=yahoogroups.com;

MailChimp also doesn't seem to have this issue. Here is a mailchimp header:

Authentication-Results: mta4014.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com; 
 dkim=pass (ok) header.i=@... header.s=k1;
 spf=neutral smtp.mailfrom=@...;
 dmarc=fail(p=none sp=quarantine dis=none) header.from=gmail.com;

Note that the mailchimp email was delivered in spite of the DMARC failure.

Larry, both mailserver examples you gave have p=none policy tags, which means that the mailbox provider won't take any actions with the emails that fail DMARC. The other two acceptable 'p' tags are 'quarantine' and 'reject'.

Roger

I send second welcome messages to new members from my email with the group name in the subject.? That way responses come back to my email.
I've never cc'd the group so have no clue what that does.

Terri

Hi Ann,

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 01:21 PM, Ann Wild wrote:

It just happened again.? I sent a message via my private email in reply to to a pending member and cc'd the owner address.? In that cc, the From line was, as I explained, my email name = xxx . com @ groups.io.? The other way I see the From line is if a member replies to my private email send.

So you sent it from your own email interface, not from Groups.io?
And you put your Groups.io into the CC??

If you put it in as a cc, likely the person is replying all.
Why not try BCC'ing your owner address?
Then the person couldn't reply to your BCC Groups.io address.

?I sent a message via my private email in reply to to a pending member and cc'd the owner address.?

Perhaps you are asking for more clarification before you approve them??

My guess now is that if I am sending a message via my private email to someone who is a pending member, then groups.io puts the offending address in the From line.? How they do it, I don't know since I am NOT sending the email through groups.io.

If you put your Groups.io address in your CC line, you are involving Groups.io.
Also if you are copying the person's email address, possibly you are picking up other content / coding. Edit it down so that just a normal email address is in the To field.

I just deleted the address from my contacts list.? I totally understand that if I send a message through groups.io, that address will appear.? But it should not in messages from my private email.

Look to see if there is a "previous recipients" section in your email. (This is for auto-fill.) There is in Apple Mail, in Window menu item.

I truly don't mean to be a pest, but I find this annoying---and unworkable for those who want to reply to me.

Frankly, I don't quite understand what you are trying to do! Why not use the Pending Subscription member notice if the person isn't a member, but has applied for membership?

You can tweak it as much as you want, personalize it. Say who you are, and ask who they are. Include a link to a blog or website if you wish. And everything works properly.?

But if you want to send it from your own email address (something most people want to avoid!) you should leave off the Groups.io address at all. To identify that it is related to Groups.io, just put something about group application in the subject line of the email.

Frances
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Doug,

I have one that is sitting with the pending member status.? Email looks legit as a name and a service provider.? I've sent emails asking them to check their spam folders for the confirmation notice.? I even resent the confirmation notice.? Just no response.? PLUS, my email Inbox has not gotten any additional spam in the past month from this either.

As some have mentioned, some folks are real and not the spammers.? People have lives too.? I once had a person join, then was gone form months due to being in the hospital.?

Good to hear Mark may add the Capcha or a check-box that says enter this number.? It's typically a prime number like 13, 17, or so.

BMaverick

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 10:53 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

I'm a little confused. Firstly as to how you know what the From line showed, as received by the pending member?

As others have said, that kind of manipulation of one's From address happens only when Groups.io sends the message. It would happen, for example, if you used the group's Send Message feature on the pending member.

Your own email interface wouldn't do that. So if that's what you were using I think you must be seeing something other than the From as it would have been received by that pending member.

Maybe if I delete that address from my Contacts, it might help.

That would normally only cause a confusion with the Display Name part of a received message, not the From of a sent message.

It just happened again.? I sent a message via my private email in reply to to a pending member and cc'd the owner address.? In that cc, the From line was, as I explained, my email name = xxx . com @ groups.io.? The other way I see the From line is if a member replies to my private email send.

My guess now is that if I am sending a message via my private email to someone who is a pending member, then groups.io puts the offending address in the From line.? How they do it, I don't know since I am NOT sending the email through groups.io.

I just deleted the address from my contacts list.? I totally understand that if I send a message through groups.io, that address will appear.? But it should not in messages from my private email.

I truly don't mean to be a pest, but I find this annoying---and unworkable for those who want to reply to me.

Just running this up the flag pole before going to beta with it - I didn't find anything about this using the search function.

Is there a way (and is it desirable) to put up a 'This post has been deleted. Are you sure you want to reply?' type flag before allowing a reply to a deleted post? I realize this wouldn't affect members who reply via email, but in that case, would it be prudent to automatically require moderation for a reply to a deleted post??

This happened this morning (a reply to deleted post) in a group in which I am only a member of, but it got me to thinking about a group that I own.?

Dave

I've dealt with this two ways.

1. I use the regular reply button, remove the group address in the "To" area, then copy the individual's address from the email and paste it into the "To" line. (If they wrote it on the groups.io site rather than in their email account, it will have "=" in the "@" place and I have to fix that in their address.)

2. I copy the part of their email I wish to quote, use the "Reply to Sender" function, then paste in the part I copied.

These really don't take much effort so it doesn't bother me (as long as I remember to change the address in #1).
~Sandy

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Hi Win,

I also had placed a request to have my yahoo messages imported (we also missed the “easy transfer” deadline due to owner communication issues). Like Christopher, just received the response that groups.io is ready to import the messages. I provided the messages zip file on an FTP for them to download, and yesterday afternoon I received confirmation the import had been started. As of last night I can confirm I see the 60k+ old yahoo messages loaded. We had created a subgroup exclusively for holding the yahoo legacy/archive messages, and Mark loaded them into that subgroup. We are also a prepaid premium group.?

Bryan
Kenwood-Hybrids group

Hi,
I'm wanting to send messages to a group, From: the Owner,? implications of which are that replies etc will go to Owner+? and not to my own membership email address.
What is the recommended method?

I have sent a Special Notice? to All and set the From: GroupOwner+?
But there are problems.
The messages I received are From : me,? Reply to : me , Arrg!
There seems no log or record Delivery of the Special Message ( wanted to check the delivery details, who from, who to. )

OK
Tony

Samuel,

Is there a known reason why the Groups.io developers do not include a
question box on the sign-up page, ...

There has been a shortage of round tuits. (Isn't there always?)

I don't know if this popular request will receive one soon, but Mark has commented favorably about doing something like this.

Shal


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SamiJo,

Re the email address generated by something [DMARC] I would also
like to know about it. Sometimes email is sent under that address and
I get an error message that I cannot send from that address.

Do you mean that you cannot send To that address? If you are copying the address and pasting it into a reply message then you need to "undo" the change after you paste, but before you send.

user@... -> user@...

That is, delete the @groups.io part and change the = to an @ sign.

Shal


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On 09 Jan 2020 01:21, Bruce Bowman wrote:

The "bad guys" tend to be quickly discouraged by anything that asks them to identify themselves.

This is true, but unfortunately Groups.io's subscribe procedures are multi-stepped and the first step is verifying the e-mail address only.

On Yahoogroups, often when I tried to I tried to join a group via the web, I had to write a reason for joining immediately, as part of the same process.

Is there a known reason why the Groups.io developers do not include a question box on the sign-up page, e.g. "Tell us a bit more about yourself and why you want to join this group"? I was able to weed out spammers quite easily using that field on Yahoogroups (e.g. when the spammer replied in a language that is not the group's main language, or when the spammer replied with something extremely generic).

Samuel

Ann,

That is exactly what I did, including the cc, but it turned out that
the From line showed my email name = xxx . com @ groups.io.

I'm a little confused. Firstly as to how you know what the From line showed, as received by the pending member?

As others have said, that kind of manipulation of one's From address happens only when Groups.io sends the message. It would happen, for example, if you used the group's Send Message feature on the pending member.

Your own email interface wouldn't do that. So if that's what you were using I think you must be seeing something other than the From as it would have been received by that pending member.

Maybe if I delete that address from my Contacts, it might help.

That would normally only cause a confusion with the Display Name part of a received message, not the From of a sent message.

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On 08 Jan 2020 23:11, John Pearce wrote:

We have been getting a number of members, in fact 99% who apply, who are sent a pending message asking for a reason to join, and some also have NC status.? They never reply, NC or not and drop off after 14 days.

I suspect most of them are spammers (advertisement bots). It happens to me, too, and it happened in my Yahoogroups, too. These bots do not post advertisements immediately -- they wait weeks or even months before they strike. These are long-term thinking spammers.

Although there the risk that some of these might be real users trying to join and not being able to overcome some barrier, I think that after you've sent them one or two private messages asking them if they want to join the group (and why) and they don't respond, you can safely delete the requests.

Samuel

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On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 03:03 PM, Nick Kempley wrote:

I’ve read the piece on bouncing, though the rules don’t seem as simple as you imply: number of failures and time between failures do come into the reckoning it seems.

Nick -- Only a "hard" bounce will cause the account to go into Bouncing status after only a single event. A "hard" bounce is something like "account disabled" or "no such user" or some other serious, 500-level error.

It doesn’t clarify to me why the member shown in this screen shot is not bouncing. Their email setting is special, so the only reports refer to the few I’ve sent and I’ve only sent as many as I have due to the transition; before that I sent less than one per year.

If the only bounces returned are "soft" bounces and they happen at infrequent intervals the account may never go into Bouncing status.

It’s going to take forever for the system to recognise that they are no longer with us, one way or the other......

In his member record, click the Activity History button at the top of the page. This will at least tell you if he's recently uploaded a file or posted a message or something.

Unfortunately, if your subscriber is a lurker, and reads online without posting or engaging in any other group activity, there's not much you can do to monitor whether he's checking in, short of deleting his subscription and waiting for a complaint.

Regards,
Bruce?