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Re: FW: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

 

On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 08:55 AM, WBennett wrote:
What do the errors mean and why would this happen?
It means that when GIO tried to verify the identity of the sending server, it didn't find a Reverse DNS entry for 203.59.1.107.? It might be a temporary condition or the server may be misconfigured.

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Re: The ethics of resurrecting dead Yahoogroups groups without permission

 

On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 08:28 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
So my question relates to two issues: whether it is okay to invite people who are not expecting to be invited, and whether it is okay to make message archives available without every individual person's permission.
The invite could go either way.? Some folks won't mind, others will be outraged.? Would it be possible to post on those groups to ask folks to contact you if they'd like an invitation?? (Or give them the address to subscribe to the group?)? My concern would be how many would mark an unexpected invitation as spam, possibly causing other problems.

Legally, each post belongs to the person that made it.? However, GIO must have considered that when they did transfers.? Since only members could see a database, that should minimize privacy complaints.

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FW: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

 

I just got this back after trying to send an email to my own group, via my mail program.
What do the errors mean and why would this happen?
Win

-----Original Message-----
From: Mail Delivery System [mailto:MAILER-DAEMON@...]
Sent: Friday, 3 January 2020 12:09 AM
To: del13piero@...
Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

The following message to <[email protected]> was undeliverable.
The reason for the problem:
5.1.0 - Unknown address error 500-'Invalid request, no reverse DNS for 203.59.1.107'


Re: Migrated from Yahoo, how to best stop old group posts?

 
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On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 03:03 AM, Max Elman wrote:
One thing I'm stuck on though is closing down the old Yahoo groups without?fully deleting them. There appears to be a way to set "Only moderators can post messages" but that option seems to be missing?for all of my groups. Any tips?

I think I just did this with a few of my old groups.

Go to this URL:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/YOURGROUPNAME/members/all
and sort by something unchanging, e.g. join date.

Then select some members and click Actions > Change delivery settings > No Email, or Actions > Set posting privileges > Override - can't post messages.

You can't perform these actions on more than about 50 messages at a time (you can select more at a time, but it doesn't apply it to all selected).

There is no easy way to tick the tickboxes (or check the checkboxes) for all members.? I used a little AutoIt script (I use it with Vivaldi browser):

Sleep ("2000")
For $i = 1 to 50
Send ("{SPACE}")
Sleep ("100")
Send ("{TAB 2}")
Sleep ("200")
Next

Samuel


The ethics of resurrecting dead Yahoogroups groups without permission

 

Hello everyone

I would like to create a couple of mailing lists (5 or so) to replace some dead Yahoogroups groups that were all related to user support for particular versions of a software product.? Most of those groups still have many users, but there is almost no activity anymore.? The owners of the groups are surprised at the fact that their groups' archives have been deleted (they did not know!), and is now encouraging users to join the product's universal Facebook group.? The owners believe that mailing lists are outdated and that most people want to use Facebook these days, but there has been some negative response to these announcements.

I'm not sure if these groups will become "alive" again when they become Groups.io groups and many of their members join the groups here, but I would like to give people this opportunity, and I would like to make the archives available on Groups.io (in the database section).? It may be that even if many people join these groups, they will become no more than accessible places to search the archives, with little or no actual conversations taking place -- although there are ways to artificially generate interesting, relevant traffic on a list (e.g. news about new releases, etc.) and encourage people to start replying.

I don't have permission from the group owners for any of this, although they know that I'm going to try.? The groups' archives on Yahoogroups were public.

So my question relates to two issues: whether it is okay to invite people who are not expecting to be invited, and whether it is okay to make message archives available without every individual person's permission.

I suppose it could be said that the group owners "own" the archives and that only the group owners can give permission for uploading the archives.? On the other hand, I could take the approach that I simply inform everyone whose e-mail addresses are in the archives about the fact that their e-mails are now hosted here, and give them the opportunity to "opt out" of having their old mails hosted here.? I could further ensure privacy by replacing all e-mail addresses in the archive with special numbered addresses so that the real addresses don't show up in searches but so that I can search for such people's e-mails (for easy deletion of messages)... however, that approach won't remove other identifying information from the archives.

As for inviting members, what do you think?? If I can get a list of all recent and previous members of the old groups, do you think it's acceptable/ethical to send them a once-off invitation via Groups.io, explaining the reason for the group, etc.?? What is Groups.io's attitude to that?? Is it assumed that a person who gets an "invite" will already be expecting the invite?

Thanks
Samuel


Deleted event continues to sync #calendar

 

During the testing of our group, a test event was placed for Jan1. I deleted the event on the calendar on Jan 1. It know longer appears on? the group calendar, however, my google calendar continues to list it. I have unsubscribed and re added the url multiple times, however it continues to show. Advice?
Teresa


Re: Restoring a Deleted Group

Terrye Kinch
 

Thanks for sending me to the correct place.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of T Golding via Groups.Io <tgolding11@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 8:54:48 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [GMF] Restoring a Deleted Group
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GroupManagersForum@...?is where you want to post for help and information.? That's still pretty active.

Good luck,

Terri


Re: Restoring a Deleted Group

 
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GroupManagersForum(at)yahoogroups(dot)com?is where you want to post for help and information.? That's still pretty active.

Good luck,

Terri


Re: Restoring a Deleted Group

 

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TK| Is this not the right group for questions
| about the old Yahoo Groups?


No.

For that, you have YGOG (Yahoo Group Of Groups),
on Yahoo Groups.

Messages to:
yahoo_group_of_groups@...


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Happy New Year and Thanks

 

Dear Owners and Moderators of GMF,

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I want to thank you for the enormous job you did, especially in the past few months managing the issues, questions and needs of so many newcomers to groups.io!

It seems to have been a ¡°rock around the clock¡± challenge to all of you, and I really admire your remaining calm and composed in spite of the fact that questions just answered were repeated again and again and new ones seemed to burst upon you by the minute.

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It must be mentioned that your work here doubtlessly eased to a large extent the task that Mark had to perform in these ¡°rough¡± times and that it was (and is) a valuable accompaniment to his extraordinary performance. I hope you can get some recreation and stay healthy!

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I wish all of you a happy and peaceful NEW YEAR 2020!

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Re: Restoring a Deleted Group

 

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This was a Yahoo Group, when I pushed delete it asked if I was sure. When I pushed delete again, it told me that I had 15 days to restore the group before it was gone. Is this not the right group for questions about the old Yahoo Groups?

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This whole group debacle was a disaster. I had almost 52,000 members on my list and then was given, by Yahoo, roughly 2 months¡¯ notice that they were changing the way the Groups worked. I scrambled to get my people added to the Google Groups, but could add only 100 a day, with no way to do a bulk import.

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Then after December 14th, all of a sudden the email groups that I seriously depended on stopped offering images and the links didn¡¯t work.

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Yesterday morning, in an email telling my subscribers that they needed to sign up for the Google Groups if they wanted to keep getting our emails, Yahoo started bouncing all of the messages all over the place. For example, if one person replied and told me they wanted to unsubscribe all of a sudden everyone got that message, not just me, which intensified causing lots more people to want to unsubscribe, which tossed even more messages to everyone on the list. It was if everyone did a ¡°reply all¡±.

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The only way to stop this was to shut the list down, which brings me to my current dilemma. I was told in the ¡°delete groups¡± page that I had 15 days to restore any groups that I deleted but I now can¡¯t find where to do that.

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There is only one that I want to restore, but my groups aren¡¯t even listed on the ¡°My Groups¡± page anymore.

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Any help is appreciated, all I need to do is to restore 1 of the groups.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bruce Bowman via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 9:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Restoring a Deleted Group

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On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 06:13 PM, <terrye@...> wrote:

When I deleted my group, I was informed that I had 15 days if I wanted to restore it.

This only applies to a Yahoo group, and maybe not even then.

The delete dialog in groups.io clearly states that the action cannot be undone.

Bruce


Re: Removing the email address from a post

 

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 08:44 PM, Randi Kreger wrote:
I have the address guidelines on how to give yourself a nickname. But it doesn¡¯t seem to take away the email.

Yes, if you go to the Identity tab of your account settings:
/account?page=viewprofile
and you click on any of the "Edit" buttons, you'll see a notice that says:
"Note: When you send a message, your email address is also shown to group members who receive messages via email."

Samuel



Re: Save a picture from PHOTOS

 

Ken,

But once the image is copied n pasted, does it matter the original
source?
It has been a while since I tested it, but if you used drag-n-drop (which many people think is the same as copy/paste) then in the case of an image in a web browser it was the URL that was copied, not the image data itself. If you used a "Copy Image" function in the browser then I believe you would get the content, same as a copy from your device.

I also copied/pasted onto a wiki page (from an emailed image and from
an older CIO post, and ultimately images disappeared.
I had that problem when pasting into a wiki page from the Screenshot function in older versions of Firefox - back when one of the options was to upload and edit the image. It turns out that copying after editing put the image's (URL) on the clipboard, to be pasted into the wiki page. That looked fine in the editor, and even immediately after saving the image, but would disappear later when Mozilla discarded the edited image. I spotted one of those in GMF's wiki a while ago and I've been meaning to replace it.

Firefox's current Screenshot function puts the image data on the clipboard when you copy it, as does Win10's Snipping tool or Snip & Sketch, so those work fine.

Shal


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Re: Save a picture from PHOTOS

 

>>>n Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 04:26 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
When posting via web I believe there are two possible results: an image file carried in the message (a "local" or attached image file) or an image file hosted some web site (a "remote" image). The former occurs when the image was copied from your computer or device, the latter occurs when the image was copied from web site. Many Email interfaces block "remote" images by default because they can be used (by the site) to detect that the message was displayed.

When posting via email there are lots of variations in the way an email interface may choose to represent an embedded image. The actual image data may be inline, attached, or remote.<<<
Thx Shal

The image might be copied/pasted either from a local file (say the image displayed in a graphics application) or copied/pasted from an online image (say, displayed in a browser.)

But once the image is copied n pasted, does it matter the original source?? Note that I am not talking about using the insert image dialog (a local file).? ?Some (many?) forum platforms (like SMF - simple machines) have an insert image function using the image URL, which, I think, is sorely lacking in GIO.

I the examples I note, the image DOES exist in the web GIO, but come thru as a broken image in the emailed posts.? That tells me it's a GIO issue when turning around the message. Unfortunately, I? haven't kept?track enough to come up with a repeatable bug.

I also copied/pasted onto a wiki page (from an emailed image and from an older CIO post, and ultimately images disappeared.? Note the several broken images here for example:


I just try -- and tell others on the group --? to avoid copy/pasting altogether (unfortunately.)

-thx, k


On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 04:26 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
Ken,

> A note that pasting an image into both/either an emailed or web post
> (¡®er message) is haphazard at best.

When posting via web I believe there are two possible results: an image
file carried in the message (a "local" or attached image file) or an
image file hosted some web site (a "remote" image). The former occurs
when the image was copied from your computer or device, the latter
occurs when the image was copied from web site. Many Email interfaces
block "remote" images by default because they can be used (by the site)
to detect that the message was displayed.

When posting via email there are lots of variations in the way an email
interface may choose to represent an embedded image. The actual image
data may be inline, attached, or remote.

That said, I'm not sure if these variations account for your experience
of haphazard results.

> Possibly the image format (eg, jpg v. png?).

I don't think that would be it, at least not those two examples (I've
used PNG a lot and others use JPG a lot). But there are a lot if image
file formats out there, and it is entirely possible that one's email
interface or web browser might not support some of the less often used
types.

If your group is set to resize images sent by email then it is also
possible for Groups.io's resizing software to misinterpret the image
file content. If you don't resize I think Groups.io simply passes it
through (to individual emails and to your browser when viewing via the
Messages section).

If you can nail down a repeatable example that might be worth reporting
to support.

Shal


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Re: Restoring a Deleted Group

 

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 06:13 PM, <terrye@...> wrote:
When I deleted my group, I was informed that I had 15 days if I wanted to restore it.
This only applies to a Yahoo group, and maybe not even then.

The delete dialog in groups.io clearly states that the action cannot be undone.

Bruce


Re: Restoring a Deleted Group

 

Terrye,

I am well within these 15 days and would like to restore
but I can't find that option.
I think you need to contact [email protected] for assistance.

Shal


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Re: Joining the subgroup directly still not possible?

 

June,

I don't want members of the main group to get any subgroup messages
unless they are also subscribed to that subgroup. Is that the way
things work by default ...
Yes.

As Frances said you've got controls (in each subgroup's Settings page) to control whether primary group members can see that the subgroup exists, and whether they can read it's messages. But only subgroup members will receive its messages by email.

Do I have to tell people they need to subscribe to the main group
before they can join a subgroup?
That would be the safest approach, at least until the investigations in this topic are resolved and maybe bug-fixes or improvements implemented.

They must be primary group members in order to be in a subgroup, there's no question about that.

But, depending on how they join the subgroup, subscription to the primary group might happen automatically. I believe it works that way with Invite; I thought it worked that way with both Join and +subscribe, but this topic exists because some have found that it doesn't work that way. I haven't tested this myself in quite some time.

Shal


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Restoring a Deleted Group

 

When I deleted my group, I was informed that I had 15 days if I wanted to restore it. I am well within these 15 days and would like to restore but I can't find that option. Can someone help?? Thanks.


Re: Joining the subgroup directly still not possible?

 

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 05:27 PM, June Genis wrote:
I'm just?getting started on all this but from what I've been reading here I'm not sure if I can get things to work the way I want.? My main group is for the senior community where I live, a CCRC for those who know what they are.? I would like all members to get announcements?of general interest but expect most of the activity to be on the subgroups?organized by continuing interest groups.? I don't want members of the main group to get any subgroup messages unless they are also subscribed to that subgroup.? Is that the way things work by default or am I going to have to change some default parameters? Do I have to tell people they need to subscribe to the main group before they can join a subgroup?
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Members of subgroups must be members of the main group.

You can direct add main group members to subgroups. Or invite them to the subgroup (they will be added to the main group too, if they accept the subgroup invitation.)

What you want is the default, but do check the settings for your subgroup.
You can decide on settings for the subgroup, i.e. be different than the main group.
Do consider whether you want the subgroups to be visible to the main group.?
See?
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Subgroups
and
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Why-use-a-Subgroup

Members of the subgroup can make different subscription choices for each. For example, just get a full text digest for the mail group (or special notices only). And get every post right away for the subgroup.

See?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Quick-Start-for-Group-Formation
for settings and choices.

Frances


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Re: Joining the subgroup directly still not possible?

June Genis
 

I'm just?getting started on all this but from what I've been reading here I'm not sure if I can get things to work the way I want.? My main group is for the senior community where I live, a CCRC for those who know what they are.? I would like all members to get announcements?of general interest but expect most of the activity to be on the subgroups?organized by continuing interest groups.? I don't want members of the main group to get any subgroup messages unless they are also subscribed to that subgroup.? Is that the way things work by default or am I going to have to change some default parameters? Do I have to tell people they need to subscribe to the main group before they can join a subgroup?
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June

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