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On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 04:11 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:

So, what is "DFAT"?

A typo of DRAFT I think, based on his following sentence.

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I did a search of the GMF archive for "DFAT", and this thread is the only one that contains "DFAT".? Nor is it defined in the wiki.? So, what is "DFAT"?

On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 12:35 AM, Dakotta Alex wrote:

One thing - the option of:?mailto link to the +subscribe?
Where is that I thought I saw it on the about pages of groups the (subscribe, unsubscribe) options?

I can't find the "example format"

There is no available example for these buttons, but something along these lines should work:

I've finished moving my Yahoo group to GIO using ioimport.pl. We had over 10K messages. A few final learnings to share:

• Yahoo groups must have starting enforcing non-blank subject lines sometime in 2009 or so, because those errors quit showing up at about that point in my uploads.
• After import, I unsubscribed everyone (>2500 members) because I had initially set them to nomail. It seems that mass unsubscription of that magnitude caused my account to be disabled. Yes, I was sure my account wasn't in the unsubscribe list :-). Fortunately, I had another account subscribed as owner, so was able to Direct Add subscribers with the correct delivery options. My original account was later re-enabled without my requesting it.
• Files were easy to upload. We had them in directories on Yahoo, so I uploaded the entire directories into my GIO group.
• Dates were cut off in some cases. Here's a quick example: "Date: 15 Oct 201I had a issue...." When it worked, we got "Date: 15 Oct 2019" on one line, and the message started on the next. A quick look by me didn't reveal a rhyme or reason for this.

Thanks again to Lena for sharing her work and enabling this successful transfer!

On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 10:28 PM, Dakotta Alex wrote:

What is the best way to promote subgroups?

I wanted to create a webpage for sign-up for each subgroup. I realize you can't do 'google or facebook' login for subgroups, so what's the best?way to do this?

Dakotta -- You asked a very similar question a month ago. The answer given at that time can be found at?/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/64368701#25015

Bottom line is that a mailto: link to the +subscribe email address is probably your best option for an off-site subscription button to a subgroup.

Also - where are the subscribe and unsubscribe?instructions for each group located?

While logged into the parent group, click the Subgroups item on the left-side menu bar. This will list what subgroups are available, and display the corresponding join buttons. Of course, one must join the parent group first.

If you want to provide detailed instructions for your subscribers you will have to create that yourself...perhaps via a Member Notice or a Wiki page.

On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 08:33 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:

Sorry for including so much detail and then not being able to clearly show exactly what happened in the end.

Gerald -- Yeah, I'm not going to attempt to quote any of that, because I really didn't quite follow it!

I believe the first problem you may have had was that you entered an address that did not already have a groups.io account. Is that possible? In such a case, the Change Email button does what it says -- changes your email address. That's not an account merge.

If so, you could have just accepted the change proposed to you in the first confirmation email, then went through the same process to change it back.

The really dangerous part comes in when you enter an email address that you don't have access to (perhaps via a typo). If you were to log out after doing so, I'm not sure how to recover from that. In the past, I thought you could just log back in under the old address, but your experience (and other reports) have suggested otherwise. In one recent case I had to Direct Add someone to one of my Premium groups to help him get his account back, because there was no other way to confirm a bogus email address? (Ref:?/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/67932959#26114).

Consider also what happens if you accidentally enter someone else's email address. That person will receive your confirmation email, through which they can log in, complete the change/merge, and steal your account...perhaps not your group ownerships (per the "bug" we've been talking about to this point), but everything else.

At best, it's not exactly user friendly. At worst, you can really mess things up.

Having said all that, if we want people to have this capability at all, these checks and re-logins and such have to be done somehow. It's easy to complain, a lot harder to propose an alternative.?I can't speak for others, but I'm not prepared to do that...yet.

Meanwhile, best thing is to suggest that people be really careful, and I believe I already said something to that effect in message #26745. It's not something folks should be playing around with.

Regards,
Bruce

On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 06:34 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 10:24 AM, Gerald Boutin wrote:

I have also tried logging in on the same browser with two different login accounts. Since there is no way that i could find to login in on the initial logged in page without first doing a logout, I go to a new browser tab to try this. All that happened was that the first login instance was changed to the second account. There was no suggestion to merge accounts.

Gerald/Sandi -- My bad.

There is no way to get to the login page if you're already logged in with that browser. It's actually done from the Account page, which kinda looks like the login page at first glance.

If on the Account page, you type in another email address (overwriting what's already there) and click Change Email (or simply hit the Enter key), the merge dialog pops up if the newly-entered email address is already registered with groups.io.

Note that the new address doesn't even have to be yours...if you had the cooperation of someone else, the accounts of two entirely different people can be merged, if for some obscure reason you felt it was desirable to do that.

Regards,
Bruce

Bruce,

I finally found that spot as well. And I did some more testing of the functionality and i am not very happy with the results.

Once you enter a different address and start the process, you cannot change your mind and there is apparently no way to get out of the predicament.

eg)
Type in a new address to change to and click to start the process.

No warnings before or during or after this happens.

However, the fun starts when you see the resulting emails.

First email:?

Hello,

This is to notify you that you have changed the email address of your Groups.io account from?[email protected]?to?changeemail@..... We have sent a confirmation email to your new email address. Once you reply to that confirmation email, you will again be able to participate in your groups. All your Groups.io subscriptions will be transferred to your new email address.

Well, this is the next email - nope, no options for getting out of jail here either.




My only option is to NOT reply to the email. No idea how long it takes before this times out. My only option is to see if I can log in again.

Try with oldemail since I have not confirmed the new one.

That email address does not have a groups.io account.

Well, that didn't work, I tried the new email. Since I didn't have a password, I was offered a link to login. That did work, but my account was unconfirmed.

At that point, I lost track of what was going on, but in the end I somehow got logged in using the original account. Even stranger, I got in via the GMF group. Here's that email..

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On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 10:38 AM, Howard Waxman, WZ4K wrote:

Bruce (or Mod.) Please clarify for me as I agree, the Reminder options are quite granular:
1. How are event reminders handled with respect to an individual's Subscription setting?

• I am seeing people receive a "30 minute prior to" a day late on low volume groups, the result of their Subscription setting. Time zones are set correctly.

Howard -- A #cal-reminder is not a notification...it is just another post to the group, with a hashtag.?Perhaps it *should* be a notification, I can see both pros and cons to that (see further below).

The message itself should post to the group message archive in a timely fashion, but the bottom line is that anyone signing up for digest delivery has actively forfeited their right to the timely receipt of group messages (via email).

2. How are Special Notices handled with respect to an individual's Subscription setting?

• Would this override a Subscription setting to send immediately?

I frankly didn't know, so I just tested this...and the "send as special notice" option does seem to force prompt delivery of a #cal-reminder to those subscribed with a digest. So I learned something today!

I do suggest polling your digest subscribers about this before going down that road. Some might take exception to this override.

Regards,
Bruce

On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 10:24 AM, Gerald Boutin wrote:

I have also tried logging in on the same browser with two different login accounts. Since there is no way that i could find to login in on the initial logged in page without first doing a logout, I go to a new browser tab to try this. All that happened was that the first login instance was changed to the second account. There was no suggestion to merge accounts.

Gerald/Sandi -- My bad.

There is no way to get to the login page if you're already logged in with that browser. It's actually done from the Account page, which kinda looks like the login page at first glance.

If on the Account page, you type in another email address (overwriting what's already there) and click Change Email (or simply hit the Enter key), the merge dialog pops up if the newly-entered email address is already registered with groups.io.

Note that the new address doesn't even have to be yours...if you had the cooperation of someone else, the accounts of two entirely different people can be merged, if for some obscure reason you felt it was desirable to do that.

Regards,
Bruce

On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 08:16 AM, John Russell wrote:

If you merge 2 email addresses and the emaIl address which is deactivated is the only owner of a group, then I think that should be prevented with a message. The message should prompt you to go back to the group or groups where you are the owner and promote one of the moderators (or a member) to owner, before attempting this merge again. The fact that you can do this at the moment is sort of a bug, in my opinion, and should be reported to support so some code can be added to the "merge email accounts" function to prevent a group becoming orphaned. Do you agree?

John -- I do.?

There is a fail-safe in place for account deletion, to keep you from accidentally deleting the last Owner of a group...but some posts here in GMF over the past year or two have suggested that the fail-safe can be circumvented via merging accounts. Being disinterested in creating a problem for myself, I haven't actually verified this. So unfortunately, it remains hearsay on my end, which is the only thing that's kept me from reporting it.

By the way, I noticed the use of inactivate earlier in this thread. I think deactivate is more appropriate, etc...

I kinda think this is splitting hairs...but I'm not married to the existing wording. Have at it!

Bruce

On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Paula K. Parker wrote:

Mondays and Fridays will be for specific topics. I would rather not have to send a reminder post each week. Is there a way I can have a reminder sent automatically, similar to the one that goes out on the first of the month?

You could create a Calendar Event for Mondays and another for Fridays.? Each can repeat ad infinitum as long as you want.? And you could have a reminder sent sometime before the event, when the event occurs, or both.? It wouldn't include what the subject is, unless it's always the same, but would announce that those are Special Topic days.

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We are changing the weekly discussion format for our group. Mondays and Fridays will be for specific topics. I would rather not have to send a reminder post each week. Is there a way I can have a reminder sent automatically, similar to the one that goes out on the first of the month?

Thank you,
Paula Parker

On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 02:33 PM, RFI-EMI-GUY wrote:

This unwanted draft creation is a result of clicking the "view/reply online" button in the mail digest.

It's easy enough to click Discard if a draft/reply is opened.? As far as changing it, nothing will be done if you don't post about it on the beta group.? There is no GIO management here.

BTW, it's considered impolite to hijack a topic to try to further your cause.

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Search for my two threads about "spontaneous drafts" and drafts bug. This unwanted draft creation is a result of clicking the "view/reply online" button in the mail digest. Those two functions need to be bifurcated into separate buttons. The unwanted draft has the subject filled and the browser assumes it is a true draft.

I complained of this, even sent in a bug report. I got shut down for even mentioning it. You would think that hosting / storing zillions of unwanted drafts would be something the developers would not be happy with.

On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 02:27 PM, Deane wrote:

A group called [email protected]?was created to help people deal with Verizon destroying 20 years worth of daily data of hundreds of thousands of people and the person who create that list?bruce.bowman@...?decided to delete it this morning without any warning or even asking.

No, it was not.?

That group was always intended to be a temporary forum for people to let off steam about the Yahoo Groups shutdown...mainly so such posts did not pollute GMF and beta. Now that the tide has turned on that, it stands to reason that it is no longer serving any purpose...there have been no posts to the group for the past 8 days.

Does groups.io have any rules about treating group members respectfully with advanced notice when a group owner decides to delete a group without warning??

A message saying that the group was going to be deleted was posted on December 20. Until now, no one has mounted a serious objection.?

Is there any way the people who subscribed to that group can be recovered?

No.

This is very upsetting and a terrible thing to do to archivists who are already grieving the loss of so much community data.

This comment is incomprehensible. The group contained no archival data from Yahoo Groups, nor any truly valuable information.?

Is there anything that can be done? If I had known this was going to happen I'd of done all I can to deal with it but got totally blindsided and no longer have the email addressed of the people in that group. Can anything be done??

No. The group owner owns the group and can do with it what he wants to. If you want a group that better meets your needs, there is nothing keeping you from starting your own. Failing that, consider joining?. It seems to have a similar goals and substantially more permanence (started in 2015).

Regards,
Bruce

Hi folks...?

A group called [email protected]?was created to help people deal with Verizon destroying 20 years worth of daily data of hundreds of thousands of people and the person who create that list?bruce.bowman@...?decided to delete it this morning without any warning or even asking.

Does groups.io have any rules about treating group members respectfully with advanced notice when a group owner decides to delete a group without warning??

Is there any way the people who subscribed to that group can be recovered? This is very upsetting and a terrible thing to do to archivists who are already grieving the loss of so much community data. Is there anything that can be done? If I had known this was going to happen I'd of done all I can to deal with it but got totally blindsided and no longer have the email addressed of the people in that group. Can anything be done??

Please help!?

Deane