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Richard,

Maybe he has found a way to hack me out.

There is no such capability in Groups.io.

When a message posts to the group whether you receive it depends on your settings, and your email service, not on anything the posting member can do.

I can fix it by setting him to Moderated, but that is not the
solution.

Correct, it is not.

Shal


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Richard,

I do not get the e-mail from one person when he posts to the free
Group.
His messages do appear in the Messages in the proper Topic.

There is no combination of settings that would cause this. So there must be something else going on that hasn't been identified. If his messages aren't going to your Spam folder, then perhaps your email service is rejecting them for some reason.

Or, just by chance, he's posting only to topics or hashtags which you've muted. But it seems unlikely that you've muted any.

I had the Setting set to get messages from subscribers only.
(second one on the list)

As I mentioned, that control has nothing to do with messages posted to the group. It controls only messages sent to the group's +owner address.

The person must be a subscriber since he has been a Group member even
when it was a Yahoo Group .

If the person uses a different email address now than then it could be that he is not subscribed under his new address. Or, if his address was listed as bouncing in the Yahoo Group it would not have been copied by the transfer agent. But given that his posts do appear in Messages it is likely that he is subscribed to the group.

Can non-subscribers post messages? I did not think so.

Only if the group has checked the box in Settings to allow it.

I have all notification boxes checked.

Those also will have no effect on your receipt of group postings.

Shal


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Richard,

I had my messages and e-mail (a Yahoo provider) settings as Mr.
McMurtry showed, except that I had set the short list to messages sent
by subscribers.

The Owner Email section refers to messages sent to the group's +owner address, not to the group's posting address.

But it brings up the question of what is a subscriber versus not a
subscriber.

A subscriber (member) is any address in your group's Members list.

If only subscribers can post he must be a subscriber.

There is a checkbox in the group's settings that controls whether non-subscriber addresses can post to the group.

Non-subscribers can always send to the group's -owner address, but each owner/moderator can select whether to receive such messages, or those from Subscribers Only.

I've always been confused about subscribers versus members.

Duane said:

Technically, a member is someone that has a GIO account, a subscriber
is someone that has joined a group.

In Groups.io every address subscribed to a group has (perforce) a Groups.io account associated with it. The holder of that address may be referred to as either a group member or subscriber, interchangeably.

It is possible for an email address have a Groups.io account without being subscribed to any groups. I don't think there is any specific word for that situation, though saying that such a person is a Groups.io member (rather than a member of any specific group) might be as good a description as any. Such a person does not have access to any group's content (other than content that is open to the public) or posting rights in any group.

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Lena,

I've created a subgroup.? I've subscribed a new user.? I've set the new user as unmoderated for both the subgroup and the main group.? I've created the "fromto.txt" file, containing the subscribed user email address and the subgroup email address.? I know the perl script is reading that file correctly, because if I use an email address that isn't in the "memberlist.csv" file, it fails with an error:

On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 01:36 PM, W8RMV wrote:

I had two different emails for different groups.
So I tried to sign in to a group with an email different than that registered.
I got a pop up that offered to MERGE all the groups under the email I entered.

Yes. That will happen if you attempt to log in with a different email address?without logging out first.

I accepted but never received the confirmatory email as indicated by this statement:
"An email has been sent to with a link that, when clicked, will cause the accounts to be merged and this account to be deleted."

The email with the link was sent to the destination address (the one you manually entered while still logged in under the other one). So be sure you check the correct email address.

The wiki entry at?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Profile-and-Email-Address-and-Merging-Accounts%2C-Subscription?contains step-by-step instructions and should be correct. As Frances said, I went through this exercise just a month ago.

Please take careful note which address you are merging away from ("originating address") and which one you are merging into ("destination address"). If the originating address owns a group, merging away from it is a good way to lose that ownership. Be very sure you know what you're doing before you go down this road.?

Bruce

On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 01:44 PM, Frances wrote:

From the GMF wiki, different instructions:

Merging Accounts

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?If anyone has tried merging accounts recently, please share your experience. The wiki instructions were just described by Bruce a couple of months ago.?
Is the other way active and usable? Or just an artefact leftover from development?

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On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 09:38 AM, ray_r.rm wrote:

Not going to SPAM folder.
I scan everything in there and delete frequently.
His posts do appear in the Messages list on the Group page.
Maybe he has found a way to hack me out.
I can fix it by setting him to Moderated, but that is not the solution.

Next time the person posts, I will report here on whether I got the e-mail.
Thanks,
Richard

Richard,

I think you may be misunderstanding some of the suggestions that have been given to you. (Either that or I am misunderstanding your problem!)

1. Email Delivery settings are what you should be looking at. They are the settings that determine what group messages you will receive via email to your personal email account. This should be set to "Individual Messages".

Notifications / Owner Email are settings for messages that go to the [email protected]. Those messages are not the ones that show up with the regular messages list where you say you are not receiving an email copy of messages from a specific subscriber. In other words, these settings have nothing to do with receiving regular group messages.

2. You have been advised to look at your "Email Delivery History". Do that.?It is found near the top of the page that shows your subscription settings.
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That is where there will be a record of "Recent Bounces" and "Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt" for email deliveries. If there is a post that is getting to others, but not you then there should be a record of what went wrong when trying to deliver it to your email address.


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On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 01:36 PM, W8RMV wrote:

I had two different emails for different groups.
So I tried to sign in to a group with an email different than that registered.
I got a pop up that offered to MERGE all the groups under the email I entered.
I accepted but never received the confirmatory email as indicated by this statement:
"An email has been sent to with a link that, when clicked, will cause the accounts to be merged and this account to be deleted."

Next steps?

Has the email gone to spam?
Have you tried logging in?

Be very careful - you don't want to lose your owner status.

From the GMF wiki, different instructions:

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I had two different emails for different groups.
So I tried to sign in to a group with an email different than that registered.
I got a pop up that offered to MERGE all the groups under the email I entered.
I accepted but never received the confirmatory email as indicated by this statement:
"An email has been sent to with a link that, when clicked, will cause the accounts to be merged and this account to be deleted."

Next steps?

-Thanx - Bob

Not going to SPAM folder.
I scan everything in there and delete frequently.
His posts do appear in the Messages list on the Group page.
Maybe he has found a way to hack me out.
I can fix it by setting him to Moderated, but that is not the solution.

Next time the person posts, I will report here on whether I got the e-mail.
Thanks,
Richard

Seconded.. I have been impressed that no matter how silly or intemperate the question might be, it invariably receives a calm, rational response .. well done all. Hopefully things will quiet down again, soon ..

Chris . . .

On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 15:16:29 -0800, "Chris Jones via Groups.Io"
<chrisjones12@...> wrote:

If you haven't already done so please draw this wiki page to your members' attention so that they can read it for themselves.

They get that every month at the beginning of the month in a monthly
reminder message. Something new is happening here. I only get one or
two of these a month but I've had 6 or 7 in the past 2 days.

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In my opinion Yahoo has a hyperactive spam filter.

I have numerous auto-filter rules for sorting new messages (e.g., "if sender contains edow.org [Episcopal Diocese of Washington], place in folder 'Church' ").? Every day, I go to my spam folder and find that Yahoo has placed multiple messages there even when I have explicit rules for allowing and sorting the message.? Every.? Day.

Spam filters are supposed to be smart...that is, if I mark a message as "not spam," Yahoo is supposed to figure out that it is, y'know, not spam.? But Yahoo's learning curve is nonexistent.

Apparently Yahoo's spam algorithm looks solely at criteria like the sender's domain and the number of addressees.? Without bothering to check whether whether its clients have chosen to allow such messages.

There may be a couple of things going on.

1. If one or two rogue members start marking undesired incoming mail from your group as Spam because they don't/won't click Unsubscribe, Yahoo will send a notice to Groups.io that the messages are considered Spam.
2. If there is a huge influx of mail from some other Groups.io group (like [GMF] following the Yahoo shutdown announcements), that could trigger a determination that everything from groups.io was Spam.
3. As noted (see screenshot below), it's not hard to click Spam by mistake. When you click Delete in Yahoo webmail, you get an Undo popup for a few seconds. You don't get one if you click Spam. That should alert the user to find the item in the Spam folder and mark it as Not Spam.

Larry

I came across this group when I had to transfer couple of groups from Yahoo with a large number of archived messages from 2000 and it has immensely helped me to make the transfer and groups functional in GIO,
From time to time, I have tried to help members questions.
Kudos to the hard working volunteers and the usefulness of this group is only going blossom further. I am happy with the setup as is and am a great believer - if not broken don't try to fix it.

M K Ramadoss
San Antonio TX

On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 04:54 PM, Donald Hellen wrote:

We've had several people unsubscribed from the group for marking a
message as spam and they were all Yahoo email addresses.

Maybe today was the day their spam folders got cleared by Yahoo and there were GIO messages in there.? Remember, it doesn't have to be the member that marks it as spam.? Sometimes Yahoo does that on its own.

Duane
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On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 05:54 PM, Donald Hellen wrote:

I'm wondering if something is happening with Yahoo Mail today?

We've had several people unsubscribed from the group for marking a
message as spam and they were all Yahoo email addresses.
One was unsubscribed twice and rejoined twice just in the past 24
hours. I thought this was odd so I checked the domain of the email
addresses and they were all Yahoo email addresses.

You say that someone complained that deleting and reporting spam are too close together. That is a factor of their email.
Certainly in Apple Mail and in Gmail, they are side-by-side.
Unfortunately that aspect is subscriber behaviour, not Groups.io

The question of whether something is happening on Yahoo today remains ?question, though. ?I don't see any problems. ?Look in Admin, Activity, in Members. Use the dropdown menu to select Remove because of spam report. Click on the blue search button on the right.?

Frances

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On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 10:54 PM, Donald Hellen wrote:

One told me that the button for marking a message as spam and the
delete button are very close together and it's all too easy to do
this,

I still have a Yahoo mail account, even though it is now never used and was only rarely used previously, but it gave me the chance to go and have a look. The Delete and Spam buttons are adjacent, but not (IMHO) all that close together.

Don't forget that Yahoo is one of the mail service providers that from time to time enthusiastically sets about declaring Groups.io traffic as spam even when it clearly isn't, although by itself that should not result in members being unsubscribed.

The mechanisms are described at length in the relevant GMF wiki page here so I won't regurgitate it all in this post. If you haven't already done so please draw this wiki page to your members' attention so that they can read it for themselves.

Chris

I'm wondering if something is happening with Yahoo Mail today?

We've had several people unsubscribed from the group for marking a
message as spam and they were all Yahoo email addresses.
One was unsubscribed twice and rejoined twice just in the past 24
hours. I thought this was odd so I checked the domain of the email
addresses and they were all Yahoo email addresses.

One told me that the button for marking a message as spam and the
delete button are very close together and it's all too easy to do
this, but unless this was a very recent change, it doesn't explain why
this has happened to about 1/2 dozen members in one particular group.
Two of those happenings were by the same person, who thought
previously (a few days ago) that he had it fixed so it wouldn't happen
again.

Donald


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