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Thanks, Shal.? Your reasoning for transferring the member list makes sense.? But it brings to mind another question.?

Does the transfer process utilize the member's email address designated to receive Yahoo group messages, or the Yahoo login email (or ID/profile) which is required to login to Yahoo?? As you know, they might not be the same.? For instance, I have to login with the old Yahoo ID I created when joining my first group 15 yrs ago.? But I receive my various group messages at either my Windstream or Gmail addresses.? I just ignore the fact that I even have the Yahoo email account that was automatically created.? Some of my members have lost the ability to login to the Yahoo website, because they don't remember their profile password and can't successfully reset it to to a new one.? My continuing difficulty in trying to help them gain access is one of the reasons I'm getting closer to transferring to Groups.io.

If the initial Groups.io message is sent to their "preferred" email address as designated on the Yahoo group, there shouldn't be a problem with most of them being able to complete the Groups.io login process.? For those few who might not be able to do that, will there be a problem with my issuing a new invitation to join after the group list is transferred?? Could I then delete their old membership from the transferred list?? I understand that it would mean they can't edit old postings, but that shouldn't be an issue with our group.? A limited few do all the postings; the majority just read the emailed messages and login occasionally to view new photos.

I've found the GMF for Y!groups a great help in managing the changes since Neo, and now the GMF for Groups.io to educate me about such a promising alternative.? I think the time has come to talk to my group about making the change.? Thanks for your help, and that of other members!

Dotty

Dotty,

I will want to transfer all the messages, photos, & files. However, I
do not necessarily want to transfer the Yahoo member list as it now
exists.

You can ask (in step 2 of the transfer instructions) for Groups.io to omit things from the transfer, but I wouldn't recommend skipping the member list.

The reason is that the member list is usually copied first so that other content (messages, files, photos, etc.) can be properly connected to the contributing member. That preserves the member's ability to delete or edit their content.

I'm aware that each member could change their email address after
being subscribed via a list transfer, but some members would have to
be walked through that process individually. I'd like to avoid having
to do that.

You may find that a lot easier to do with Groups.io than it would have been under Yahoo Groups -- with the caveat that the member must still be able to access mail sent to the address they used in your Yahoo Group. Otherwise you may as well invite them anew.

1) Point them to the account page:
/account

2) They'll be asked to Log In. Since they don't yet have a password, tell them to click the button that says "Email me a link to log in".

3) Tell them to enter the email address which they had in your Yahoo Group (their "old" address").

4) When they receive that message, click through the link it provides and they will now be logged in to Groups.io. The login will last 30 days, or until they delete their browser cookies, or log out.

5) In their account page (the link above) they can change their Email address and/or set a Password.

Note that a password is not necessary - they could instead use the "Email me a link to log in" button each time they need to log in. That's very handy on mobile devices, where typing or copy/pasting passwords is usually awkward. And it is slightly more secure: there's no password that a hacker might steal or guess.

The same steps apply to members who don't want to change their email address, but just want to log in for the first time.

Shal

I am considering transferring the small Yahoo group I own to Groups.io.? I will want to transfer all the messages, photos, & files.? However, I do not necessarily want to transfer the Yahoo member list as it now exists.? I would like to use this opportunity to "clean up" the member list.? It is a relatively small group of 40+ members, many of which are not particularly computer proficient.? If I could avoid the member transfer, then I could issue invitations to the new Groups.io group using the preferred email address of each member (rather than the email currently being used in the Yahoo group, which may not be one they often check.)

I'm aware that each member could change their email address after being subscribed via a list transfer, but some members would have to be walked through that process individually.? I'd like to avoid having to do that.?

Dotty

Sun, 12 Nov 2017 19:15:05 -0800, "Shal Farley" <shals2nd@...>,
wrote:

Message attachments, if allowed by the group, are stored by Groups.io so
that members reading the group's pages can access the attachments.

Normally the attachments are passed straight through to outbound email
messages to those members which receive individual messages. If a member
chooses to limit attachment size (or a moderator has set that member's
limit) then that member will receive a link to the attachment rather
than the file itself.

I think the stored attachments are also hosted in a separate server from
the Files folder they're listed in, but as far as I can tell that's
completely hidden from us end-users.

Thank you for the explanation, Shal.
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Arno

Thanks Shal. I have now reported the files to [email protected]

Ken

Arno,

Is that the way attachments to an eMail are handled in Groups.io ?

No. This was discussing Photo storage, whether uploaded directly or sent as part of an email message.

That would cause a real problem for me as my eMail client would not be
able to forward them as they are not 'here' "physically".

But yes, sometimes.

Message attachments, if allowed by the group, are stored by Groups.io so that members reading the group's pages can access the attachments.

Normally the attachments are passed straight through to outbound email messages to those members which receive individual messages. If a member chooses to limit attachment size (or a moderator has set that member's limit) then that member will receive a link to the attachment rather than the file itself.

I think the stored attachments are also hosted in a separate server from the Files folder they're listed in, but as far as I can tell that's completely hidden from us end-users.

Shal

Sun, 12 Nov 2017 11:39:18 -0800, "Shal Farley" <shals2nd@...>,
wrote:

I think this is a kind of unintended consequence resulting from the
photo image files being hosted in a different server than the page that
displays them. It is a kind of internal plumbing issue that isn't
normally noticed by the end users - unless it breaks.

Is that the way attachments to an eMail are handled in Groups.io ?

That would cause a real problem for me as my eMail client would not be
able to forward them as they are not 'here' "physically".
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Arno

Ken,

They seem to relate to old (migrated from Yahoo) posts that contain
links to Flickr. I guess I'll leave them alone.

I'd suggest reporting them to [email protected], just in case they represent something in the transfer process that Mark could improve.

If the messages contained images hosted on flicker hopefully those images still show in the messages (as seen in your group's Messages section). A remotely hosted image, if that's what those represent, probably shouldn't leave any placeholder in the Emailed Photos album.

Or... those placeholders could show the remote image instead. That would be akin to an idea I've been meaning to post in beta@ - allowing Albums to contain remotely hosted images.

Shal

LeeAnne,

The problem seems to be fixed with the Ctrl+F5.

Interesting.

I think that implies that for at least some browser it is possible for the lifetime of the page cache to exceed the lifetime of those access keys.

I think this is a kind of unintended consequence resulting from the photo image files being hosted in a different server than the page that displays them. It is a kind of internal plumbing issue that isn't normally noticed by the end users - unless it breaks.

The difference between Firefox and IE may simply be a difference in timing - Firefox may have had that page in its cache longer.

I don't know if that's something that Mark can fix, but I'll CC support on this reply to see what he says.

Shal

The problem seems to be fixed with the Ctrl+F5.? Thanks Shal!? You are THE BEST!
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-LeeAnne

?Archivist

Thanks Duane

If I open them there is nothing to see, and they each take up only 1.8k. They seem to relate to old (migrated from Yahoo) posts that contain links to Flickr. I guess I'll leave them alone.

Cheers

Ken

Hi Shal,
She is using the web to post messages.?
Also Firefox seems to be the problem as she has access in IE but that still should not be.?
Is this a problem for Mark?
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-LeeAnne

?Archivist

Those are probably attachments to posts. You could try looking at them, by clicking on them, to see if they look familiar. I've seen that on other groups, but haven't paid much attention. It has something to do with the way the attachment is done.

Duane

Ken -
As the instructions state, If you have any questions, please contact [email protected] directly. They can assist with transfer problems such as this. Transfers are not always without their glitches, and Mark is very good at sorting them out.

Dano

Hello

I recently moved a group from Yahoo to here (800+ members, 16,000+ messages, did not have files or photos transferred) and everything went well.

One little thing is puzzling me: in the emailed photos folder I have half a dozen files called "Dummyfile.0.part" - does anyone know where they came from and whether I can simply delete them?

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Ken Scanes
IndustrialRailwaySociety

Hello!

I'm hoping to use the RSS Feed from Groups.io to create updating content for a website still under construction.? However, the Groups.io feed doesn't validate.? I used both the homepage and the rss feed page for the parent group and all subgroups, and got the same results from two different online feed validators:




Is this a common problem that can be fixed, or am I just doing it wrong?

Any help appreciated,
Robert

LeeAnne,

... but if it's a photo album it won't display the photos - all I
see are white boxes and the labels under them. The cover photos
appear when I go the the CH Photos section ... clicking on the
photos inside the album individually and they will open visible.

That's very peculiar. The images shown as Album covers, in the Album, and when you open the particular photo all are fetched from the same server, at least in my test group. So I can't imagine how the individual photos would be visible to her but not the miniatures in the album page.

If they had come from different servers I could almost imagine that she had inadvertently blocked one of them with security settings or an add-in in her browser. But that doesn't make sense when they all come from the same server.

It is possible that the URL for each image generated in the Album page has a broken or stale access key. Using her browser refresh function, F5, or cache-bypass function, Ctrl+F5, might fix that.

I can't post to any of the groups, ...

Also peculiar, but since she didn't say how she tried posting (I'm presuming on the web site, not via email) nor what was shown when she tried I'm at a loss to guess what the problem might be.

Shal

Hi Everyone,
One of the mods, who has lines of members waiting on help to fix their horse's sore feet (some can't even stand up any more), is having issues.? She needs the photos and messages to be working so she can help but she sent me this message this morning:

I can't post to any of the groups, nor can I see the contents of any of the photo albums right now. This started yesterday and I can't figure out what the heck is going on. I can open files, access any of the "More" functions under each poster's message, access all the Mod functions, follow links but if it's a photo album it won't display the photos - all I see are white boxes and the labels under them. The cover photos appear when I go the the CH Photos section and scroll thru the listings but when I click on an individual album, it opens to the blanks.?

?

I just remembered we had similar problems on Yahoo sometimes so I just tried clicking on the photos inside the album individually and they will open visible.

Any ideas what the heck may be going on??

It is only this one mod who is having the problem.
Any one have any ideas on how to fix this for her???

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-LeeAnne

?Archivist

Ian,

This week I found out that the reminder emails I have going out are
appearing in some member's email inboxes as spam.

Is there anything I can do from my end to help whitelist these
messages?

The one thing you can do, if you are the one creating the events, is to include a reasonable amount of specific information in the event description. Content-sensitive spam filters are typically more likely to pass a message that has more unique content.

But generally speaking, no, whitelisting is something the affected members have to take care of themselves.

In some email services it is sufficient for the member to mark those messages as "not spam" a few times and the filter will learn. Others offer that promise but don't learn - or not very quickly.

In some email services putting the sender address in the user's address book will "whitelist" that sender (for a group's event notices, that would be the group's posting address).

In some email services you can create a filter that recognizes, say, the group's subject tag and moves all messages with that tag in the subject to the user's inbox (overriding the spam filter).

Shal