On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 11:01 PM, Laurence Marks wrote:
- Is there any way to reset the message counter to 0? I could delete all the messages, reset the message counter, and upload again.
I'm not aware of any way to do this.
- I could shut down this group and start a new one--but I really like the name I've used for this one. It's about the same as the name at Yahoo. Can I close a group and then reopen a new group using the same name?
Yes, indirectly.
- What are the steps to do this?
Change the group name to something like qqqqqqxxxxx, and only THEN delete it. At that point you should be able to reopen a new group using the same name.? Having said that, if you plan to continue beta testing for Wilson, you might want to instead rename the current group to something like PGO2GIOTestGroup, and keep it around for awhile.? Bruce
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We have been working to port our Yahoo group to Groups.io. The transfer service offered by groups.io did not meet a couple of our needs:
- About 1/4 of our messages included at least one attachment. We did not wish to lose this valuable archive, nor manually adjusting it. The problem was aggravated by an inexplicable inability to directly add attachments to posted messages.
- As is the case in many groups (including [GMF]), many of our messages refer to other messages by message number. (It was the only reliable way to target a message in Yahoo.) We wanted to preserve the message numbers--in spite of the fact that our group had undergone pruning from time to time.
We were able to meet these requirements creating a group on Groups.io and populating it with PGO and PGO-2-GIO, but we've hit one annoying issue, due to false starts. During the beta test period with this product, I started and abandoned several uploads, deleting the messages after each test. Ultimately, I had uploaded and deleted around 998 messages before the final complete upload. So the problem is that all the message numbers are offset by 998 from what they should be.
- Is there any way to reset the message counter to 0? I could delete all the messages, reset the message counter, and upload again.
- I could shut down this group and start a new one--but I really like the name I've used for this one. It's about the same as the name at Yahoo. Can I close a group and then reopen a new group using the same name? What are the steps to do this?
We do include the Yahoo message number inside the message, but I'd like the two to match. Here's an illustration: Thanks for any help. Larry 
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Re: Embedding the signup form in wordpress.com?
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Re: Embedding the signup form in wordpress.com?
I tried it both ways on the page below, checking the unstyled, and styled, check box. As you can see on the link below, the code does not render properly, even when copied and pasted on it's own line.
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Re: Messages Marked As Spam
Thanks Bruce and Frances for your very prompt replies! ? Leland ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bruce Bowman
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 5:49 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Messages Marked As Spam ? On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 08:39 PM, Leland Hill, GAA wrote: This message ?doesn¡¯t provide a lot of information. What message, in particular, was sent to them? Was this something that was sent by GIO when the YG was transferred? Or was it an email sent to them through one of the Group messages?
Leland -- See?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam?and come back with any unanswered questions. The message indicates the member was given a link that lets them re-subscribe but so far I¡¯ve not received any messages showing any these members have done so. If they do re-subscribe, will I get a message notifying me?
If I recall correctly, you will receive a rejoin message. I¡¯m in the dark about this and I¡¯m wondering if I need to be proactive and follow-up further with these members.
That's up to you.?
I've had this happen in my group a few times. When I did bother to follow up, sometimes the people on the other end were truly bewildered, and appreciative of my follow-up. But most of the time, they didn't want to receive group messages anymore...but were too lazy to figure out how to unsubscribe, so they just clicked their email client's spam button. This despite the fact there's an unsub link in the footer of every message.
Lots of group owner complain about the "removed for marking as spam" mechanism because they believe it's costing them subscribers. But it's my experience that most of the time the function works exactly the way it's supposed to.
Hope this helps,
Bruce
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Re: Messages Marked As Spam
Bruce -- I received one too and I was the co-owner of the site but I can tell you what happened with me.? I was in the process of uploading a photo (3 of 3) myself to an album on my groups.io site when Microsoft Windows 10 did an upgrade smack in the middle of my trying to upload the photo.? The original email that went through my groupsio site was automatically dumped into SPAM the second the update from Microsoft kicked in and immediately my AOL service sent a message back to groups.io saying I had received SPAM from groups.io so I received the message that said this:
Hello,
You have been?automatically?removed from [email protected] because your Email Service Provider reported to us that one or more messages?sent to you?from [email protected] has been marked as spam.
We suggest that you check your spam box as soon as possible to see if your Email Service Provider has diverted other legitimate messages into it.
You will receive no more emails from that group. If this was a mistake, you can resume your subscription within the next 7 days by clicking the following link:
Resume Subscription
Groups.io groups offer several options for controlling how much and what types of emails to receive. See this??for more information.
If this happens repeatedly please check with your Email Service Provider to learn about how they decide to send feedback reports to list services (such as Groups.io groups).
Cheers,
The Groups.io Team
Bruce, I clicked on the link and it immediately put my groups.io service to rights with me back in.? I had been dumped out the minute the upload and update hit and could not get back in.? I restarted my computer thinking there was some kind of glitch between the two actions and it didn't fix the problem.? Then I looked at my email and the above email was there.? Once I clicked on the resume Subscription, all was good again as I said.
I'm assuming the other people got the same thing and more than likely it happened at about the same time (yesterday).? The time I received the above message from groups.io was 8:34:50 A.M. PST on 12/8.
Sincerely,
Rli@...om
In a message dated 12/10/2019 5:49:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, bruce.bowman@... writes:
On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 08:39 PM, Leland Hill, GAA wrote:
This message ?doesn¡¯t provide a lot of information. What message, in particular, was sent to them? Was this something that was sent by GIO when the YG was transferred? Or was it an email sent to them through one of the Group messages?
Leland -- See? /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam?and come back with any unanswered questions.
The message indicates the member was given a link that lets them re-subscribe but so far I¡¯ve not received any messages showing any these members have done so. If they do re-subscribe, will I get a message notifying me?
If I recall correctly, you will receive a rejoin message.
I¡¯m in the dark about this and I¡¯m wondering if I need to be proactive and follow-up further with these members.
That's up to you.? I've had this happen in my group a few times. When I did bother to follow up, sometimes the people on the other end were truly bewildered, and appreciative of my follow-up. But most of the time, they didn't want to receive group messages anymore...but were too lazy to figure out how to unsubscribe, so they just clicked their email client's spam button. This despite the fact there's an unsub link in the footer of every message.Lots of group owner complain about the "removed for marking as spam" mechanism because they believe it's costing them subscribers. But it's my experience that most of the time the function works exactly the way it's supposed to. Hope this helps, Bruce
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Re: Messages Marked As Spam
On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 08:39 PM, Leland Hill, GAA wrote:
This message ?doesn¡¯t provide a lot of information. What message, in particular, was sent to them? Was this something that was sent by GIO when the YG was transferred? Or was it an email sent to them through one of the Group messages?
Leland -- See? /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam?and come back with any unanswered questions.
The message indicates the member was given a link that lets them re-subscribe but so far I¡¯ve not received any messages showing any these members have done so. If they do re-subscribe, will I get a message notifying me?
If I recall correctly, you will receive a rejoin message.
I¡¯m in the dark about this and I¡¯m wondering if I need to be proactive and follow-up further with these members.
That's up to you.? I've had this happen in my group a few times. When I did bother to follow up, sometimes the people on the other end were truly bewildered, and appreciative of my follow-up. But most of the time, they didn't want to receive group messages anymore...but were too lazy to figure out how to unsubscribe, so they just clicked their email client's spam button. This despite the fact there's an unsub link in the footer of every message.Lots of group owner complain about the "removed for marking as spam" mechanism because they believe it's costing them subscribers. But it's my experience that most of the time the function works exactly the way it's supposed to. Hope this helps, Bruce
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Re: Messages Marked As Spam
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I¡¯ve been receiving several messages a day like this one since I migrated my group from Yahoo to GIO. ? Hello, ? This is to notify you that xyz12345@... has been unsubscribed from your group [email protected] because a message to them was marked as spam. Note that this may have been done by their email service provider, not by the individual member personally. They've been given a link that lets them quickly resubscribe, in case this was an error. ? To turn off this notification, log into and edit your subscription. ? Thank you for choosing Groups.io groups. ? Cheers, ? The Groups.io Team ? This message ?doesn¡¯t provide a lot of information. What message, in particular, was sent to them? Was this something that was sent by GIO when the YG was transferred? Or was it an email sent to them through one of the Group messages? ? The message indicates the member was given a link that lets them re-subscribe but so far I¡¯ve not received any messages showing any these members have done so. If they do re-subscribe, will I get a message notifying me? ? I¡¯m in the dark about this and I¡¯m wondering if I need to be proactive and follow-up further with these members. ? Leland ? ?
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Re: Manual transfers from Yahoo Groups
Sorry for continuing to ask questions - I'm trying to get to the last bit of clarity with this.
Will I be able to us YahooMessagesApplication to download the messages in a format (not mbox) that can be uploaded correctly into a new group?
Cal
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Re: Embedding the signup form in wordpress.com?
The code works perfectly on my wordpress.com page.
Kathleen
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Re: I and the moderators ARE NOT HAPPY WITH IO GROUPS. Please read and help!
On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 06:47 PM, Janie wrote:
My moderator who is not getting?any of the emails (that have answers to all 3 questions) is already set to All Emails.
It occurs to me now that you might be confusing Individual Messages with All Emails. This is not the same thing. Click open her member record. As a Moderator, she should have an Owner Email block. Make sure it's set as shown (screenshot below). If this block is not present, she is not a Moderator. Bruce 
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Re: I and the moderators ARE NOT HAPPY WITH IO GROUPS. Please read and help!
On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 06:47 PM, Janie wrote:
Hi Bruce. I never thought the sky was falling. lol. It's just been frustrating for all the mods and myself.?
The subject line led me to believe you were upset. If both you and your Moderators are truly unhappy with groups.io then other options are available.
1) Are you saying that I can also "Lock group" as an alternative to Announcement only? I'm assuming that means the moderators can't post either, which is fine. They just want the break. But will I as?owner still be able to post during the?two day break with Lock group?
There is no function in groups.io that will allow the group Owner to post while inhibiting posts by Moderators.
2) If I give a moderator the ability to "modify group settings", that sure does give someone a lot of power. ?Is there a setting where I can be notified if any of the settings are changed?
No. You would have to check the Activity Log for that.
3) As far as making another mod a co-owner...would they have the power to remove me as owner??
Yes.? These last three questions suggest that to want to spread the work around but aren't willing to trust anybody. You can't have it both ways.
4) My moderator who is not getting?any of the emails (that have answers to all 3 questions) is already set to All Emails. I?already asked her to check spam. She's getting nothing. Sure need help with that.?
Check her Email Delivery History (button at the top of her member record). Hope this helps, Bruce
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Re: I and the moderators ARE NOT HAPPY WITH IO GROUPS. Please read and help!
Duane, I used the Member Notices to create an automatically-sent notice that goes to anyone Pending. It states they need to reply with answers to the three questions I created.?
And the moderator who approves members doesn't receive the reply with the answers, and I have her set to ALL EMAILS.?
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Re: I and the moderators ARE NOT HAPPY WITH IO GROUPS. Please read and help!
Hi Bruce. I never thought the sky was falling. lol. It's just been frustrating for all the mods and myself.?
For the Announcement only, I'll pay close attention to whether I'm saving it next weekend.?
No, all members post and moderators respond to their posts. I couldn't even begin to have changed 22,000+ subscribers to an override. Now a lot of those 22,000 were not moderated in the Yahoo group. Is that what you are considering an override? I'm just going to hope that if I change the group to Announcement only this next weekend that no one will be able to post.?
QUESTIONS:?
1) Are you saying that I can also "Lock group" as an alternative to Announcement only? I'm assuming that means the moderators can't post either, which is fine. They just want the break. But will I as?owner still be able to post during the?two day break with Lock group?
2) If I give a moderator the ability to "modify group settings", that sure does give someone a lot of power. ?Is there a setting where I can be notified if any of the settings are changed?
3) As far as making another mod a co-owner...would they have the power to remove me as owner? I remember that?happening in a few facebook groups. Could that happen in the IO groups?? That is the last thing I'd want to happen. I've owned this group for 17 years.?
4) My moderator who is not getting?any of the emails (that have answers to all 3 questions) is already set to All Emails. I?already asked her to check spam. She's getting nothing. Sure need help with that.?
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On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 08:16 AM, Sandi D. wrote:
I have been thinking along the lines of your post today, wondering about bringing my domain account users into GIO and weighing the pros and cons.?
Hi, Sandi - I've read your post through a couple of times, and it's sparked a lot of ideas for me, mostly around GSuite management of email, which I've done with other domains, and considering a Google Group (or two) for our Board Members, as you have done. I also think it's a good idea to keep private business away from public forums, and I'm really liking GIO for our public discussion group. I realize that you're asking some of the same questions about GIO that I am about what is feasible/possible. And I believe that a benefit of having GSuite manage the MX records of your domain accounts would be that you could use /api#google-login-start to get a security token and log in your users. At least I think that's true--you'd have to confirm with the API group. As for switching domain email accounts on or off in GSuite, I don't think it would throttle their ability to access your GIO site, although I could be wrong. I think their GIO accounts would still be active, but they just couldn't send or receive any email messages from/to GIO because you'd prevented them from sending/receiving emails. But they would still be able to access the GIO site and read what's in there, I think, until you go into GIO Admin and remove that user from your group. You'd have also messed up their ability to participate (with your domain email, at least) in any other forums they'd signed up for within GIO. At least, I think that's the way it works... :-) I'm new here. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts! - Gary
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Re: An announcement from PG Offline - Y! group transfer extension!?
On 12/10/2019 4:38 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote: So how good is the Yahoo download? I've submitted three requests to Yahoo for my content. The first time I got nothing. The second time I got most of my messages and files, but none of the photos or links, no attachments, and it took two weeks. The third time it only took two days, but still no photos, and only one attachment out of the six groups. I submitted a request on Saturday using my xxx@... email address and received a link on Monday to a 1.6GB zip file. This appears to have at least most of the content from the last twenty years from all the groups I'm still subscribed to, including files, photos, and links. Most of the photos were saved as "files", but one group had "photos_and_attachments". I did find that the links were not clickable, giving an "invalid target" message, but when opened in a text editor the content was correct. Here's an example: [Owner] 8 quixzole [OwnerID] 9 191047249 [Title] 26 Official BMW Club Bulgaria [Description] 0 [TimeStamp] 12 001089103554 [URL] 26 -- Bill
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Re: An announcement from PG Offline - Y! group transfer extension!?
Some PG Offline users are experiencing being locked out. PG Offline was, for me, able today to download some messages from one group. I believe there has been new content added for one or two other of my groups but it only found new messages in one. At one pint it told me there was a server issue or I was locked out. Then PGO continued with the rest of the groups but there were no more messages found. Glad I got them a few weeks ago and kept up with refreshing my groups every few days. Donald On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 13:38:36 -0800, "Bruce Bowman" <bruce.bowman@...> wrote: If you want attachments and photos, I suspect you still have only 4 days to get your data using PGO. No sympathy for procrastinators. ---------------------------------------------------- Some ham radio groups you may be interested in: /g/ICOM/g/Ham-Antennas/g/HamRadioHelp
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Re: An announcement from PG Offline - Y! group transfer extension!?
On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 08:46 AM, Andy W wrote:
I just received this from PG Offline. Make of it what you will.
The way I read it, Yahoo will continue to allow you to request a download of your data via the Privacy Dashboard thru Jan 31 but still plans to take all online content down on Dec 14.? So how good is the Yahoo download? I've submitted three requests to Yahoo for my content. The first time I got nothing. The second time I got most of my messages and files, but none of the photos or links, no attachments, and it took two weeks. The third time it only took two days, but still no photos, and only one attachment out of the six groups. If you want attachments and photos, I?suspect you still have only 4 days to get your data using PGO. No sympathy for procrastinators. Bruce
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Re: I and the moderators ARE NOT HAPPY WITH IO GROUPS. Please read and help!
On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 02:51 PM, Janie wrote:
The moderator that approves members is set to receive messages. i.e. this below, yet she doesn't get them.
How are the questions sent?? Is it part of a Pending Subscription notice or are you sending them directly?? You should always include as much detail as you can about the group settings and anything else that may impact the situation.? It seems that about 99% of the time, problems are solved when people look at what they've done and realize they made a mistake.? The other 1% are bugs or misunderstanding of how things work on GIO. Duane -- Help: /static/helpGMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiSearch button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions
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Bruce
Laurence Marks
Frances
Leland Hill (aka Lee)
KATHLEEN DESMAISONS
Janie
Duane