On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 05:12 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

There may be a few other types of entries mixed in, but that's as narrow as I can get it since the Actions drop-list is inactive (gray) for this choice.

Shal

More checking here. As I stated earlier, I did not see a Deleted record in the Activity list when I deleted an email today in my Yahoo test group.

However, I subsequently went back and checked for deleted activities for a long established group and indeed these records do show up in the Activity list.

To summarize, it used to show deletions and probably still does for old emails. It did not for a message deleted today.
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On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 13:29:49 -0500, "Lewin de Partone"
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Is there a feature where I can select to auto delete messages or block limit of archive? I want to set up the group so if new members join they cannot see post prior to their joining?

Funny that you mention this, but you could set up a Yahoo group after
Dec 14. After that, they will be no longer host the message archives.
I believe you will have to receive all posts by email after then and
won't be able to read them on the group site anymore.

New members would not be able to see the old posts, so that would seem
to meet your objectives. Older members would have the prior messages
in their email program if they choose to save them.

Donald



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On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 04:24 PM, Jonathan Sivier wrote:

I would have guessed it was significantly higher than that. Back in October, when the flurry of transfer began, I glanced at the Publicly Listed Groups list and as I recall there were something over 13,000 groups listed. Now there are over 21,000.

I believe you're correct about the number of groups created, but apparently few were Easy transfers.? I based my guesstimate on the Created: date, assuming that any before GIO was launched would be those transfers.? Of course, that would include any transferred before the YG mess.? I happened to check on Oct 29 and there were ~2000, now there are ~3700.? There could be a few that were established on YG after the GIO launch (23 Sep 2014), but I wouldn't expect too many.? And then we run into the situation where multiple YG were transferred to one GIO group.? I rounded up to 2000.

I'm not sure about the public to private ratio either.? I have 4 groups, all publicly listed.

I think I'll wait to see what Mark might say, if he cares to, on beta.

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If someone has trouble reaching Wilson, they can contact me. Also, he
sometimes has bounced messages from the email addresses that PG
Offline users send from. I send out his message to them when that
happens. So email services can be the actual problem when it might
seem that Wilson is ignoring emails. He doesn't ignore them.

But he's in the UK so on a different time schedule, so keep that in
mind. If you email him at 11 PM EST, it's 4 AM his time. Don't expect
an answer for at least several hours. Give him some time to sleep
before being concerned your email hasn't got through.

Donald

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 00:31:12 -0800, "Shal Farley" <shals2nd@...>
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Try emailing from a different email service.

A couple weeks ago someone else reported a similar difficulty and it
turned out that Wilson had been trying to reply, but that person's email
service was rejecting ("bouncing") Wilson's replies.

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I would have guessed it was significantly higher than that. Back in October, when the flurry of transfer began, I glanced at the Publicly Listed Groups list and as I recall there were something over 13,000 groups listed. Now there are over 21,000. That is an increase of 8,000, around 60%, in the past 7 weeks. Not all of those would have been transfers, but I bet most of them were. Assuming a similar number of private groups that aren't listed (a total guess based only on my own person groups, 4 public, 4 private) would mean around 16,000 groups transferred. Even assuming that some of the 8,000 were new creations and not transfers and that the ratio of private to public groups is much lower, it could still be on the order of 10,000 groups transferred.

Jonathan

Sandi,

One of our Members had a P by her name and I have no idea how that
happened because in our group setting the "Moderated" box is unchecked
under Spam Control. Meaning all members can post unmoderated. So to
me, the appearance of the P badge was confusing.

It is purely an indication that the member has that override set. It tells you that should you change the group's Moderated box, this particular member will not be affected (will remain unmoderated).

IDK how it happened that she was the only member with the P.

It could have been set manually by a mod, or if this member was imported from a Yahoo Group it could have been copied from her subscription there.

What I find even more interesting is that I do *not* have a P badge by
my name and like her, my Posting Privileges box setting is "Override:
not moderated".

Double check that you don't actually have that badge, but that it has been cropped in the display by extending into the following column (Delivery). You may have to widen the display window, or zoom out, to reveal it.

If you really don't have the badge after your email address, but do have an override set, that would be a bug to report to support.

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Gerald:

"Should". Well, maybe, but I just did a check and Deletions are not a choice on the list of Activities to filter on.

Search on "Conversations":

There may be a few other types of entries mixed in, but that's as narrow as I can get it since the Actions drop-list is inactive (gray) for this choice.

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On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 08:57 PM, Dr. Denver Fox wrote:

I receive a lot of external messages with attachments which, when forwarded to the entire listserve, the attachments do not come through on the Digest

Disclosure; I do not know the answer, but I have some more questions that might help us work towards one!

Some clarification of your terminology would be useful. When you say I receive a lot of external messages with attachments do you mean that you personally receive them or are they sent to you as a moderator? Your mention of "forwarding" would suggest the former but some clarification might be helpful.

Either way, do the attachments appear on the group web UI or not? And do they appear on "Individual emails" when that is the chosen delivery method to subscribers?

I haven't been able to find anything relevant on any help pages (OK; I might have missed it!) but IIRC attachments are not scanned for viruses so it is possible that attachments sent by non - members of your group will be stripped off automatically.

And what is your Attachments setting in Settings? (Allow / Bounce / Strip / Moderate)

Chris

Corrected

I receive a lot of external messages with attachments which, when forwarded to the entire listserve, the attachments do not come through on the Digest, even though a full HTML digest is the setting.? I have tried this with one of my accounts, and I can't find the forwarded EMails attachments anywhere.? This is from my AOL email account.

What am I missing?? Do, I need to download the attachment, and then reattach it to the forwarded email?? I can't find these attachments on the groups.io PADCO web site, either.? I can't find an answer to this in "Help" nor searching herein.

Thanks!

Lacking a statement from Mark on the beta group, I took it upon myself to do a little digging about how many groups may have been transferred in the last 7 weeks.? As near as I can tell, almost 2000 groups, including almost 2,000,000 members have been added.? That's only based on the number of publicly listed groups, so it could be somewhat higher if many aren't listed in the Directory.? Hopefully he'll give a summary after he's had a chance to relax a bit.

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I receive a lot of external messages with attachments which, when forwarded to the entire listserve, the attachments do not come through on the Digest, even though a full HTML digest is the setting.? I have tried this with one of my accounts, and I can't find the forwarded Digests anywhere.? This is from my AOL email account.

What am I missing?? Do, I need to download the attachment, and then reattach it to the forwarded email?? I can't find these attachments on the groups.io PADCO web site, either.? I can't find an answer to this in "Help" nor searching herein.

Thanks!

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 03:26 PM, Eric Johnson wrote:

I am on the small staff of a group that manages a really large, interactive dog pedigree service for three breeds. There is a small Yahoo group that is used for questions and support.

Do I read the Groups.io pricing correctly that we could create a group at no cost with the only real limit the membership area like no direct adds of members? We have no photos or other such and no databases other than the dog pedigree and that runs in SQL Server on a dedicated server. So, nothing other than messages and the threads are rather short-lived.

Correct, Eric. You can have a ?free group with a lot more than that. You can have photos, attachments, files, databases, wiki, calendar, polls.

There are restrictions, of course And a limit on storage, of course.
See?/static/pricing
(I know you saw it but wanted to make sure that others do too - some may value some of the premium features.)

You can get one month premium if you wish to direct add all of your members' email addresses. Or invite on the Invite page or ask them to use the subscribe email address.

See this wiki page about basic set up.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Quick-Start-for-Group-Formation

Frances

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On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 02:26 PM, Eric Johnson wrote:

Do I read the Groups.io pricing correctly that we could create a group at no cost

Certainly!? Mark mentioned during the YG fiasco that there may be some additional limits on free groups coming in the new year, but hasn't presented the actual terms (and has edited his original comment.)

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On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 01:26 PM, Frances wrote:

1. Have you created a member notice for invitations?
See?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Member-Notices

Make sure it is active.

You don't make invitation notices active (this was changed a few months ago.)? If you have more than one, they're all shown in the drop down on the Invite page and you can choose which to use, if any.

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On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 07:11 PM, Jim Allen wrote:

then there were pay $220 and or pay $20 a month for a year for a total of $240.? ?it was there.

Or more correctly, it wasn't.

You may not appreciate my pointing this out, but...

I have no idea exactly how many groups migrated from Yahoo, but it's a lot. A very significant proportion of those transfers took place after Mark announced the changes to the charging regime. Now the vast majority of those seem to have taken place without their owners and moderators having to submit enquiries here to the Group Managers Forum, but it has to be recognised that queries about the details of the payment were a common theme over the last (say) 6 or 7 weeks. The answer was always the same; it had to be a single payment for "Premium yearly", not a monthly payment plan for 12 months. To elaborate a little further on a point just made, while queries about this were common, there are good grounds for suspecting that this was a problem encountered by just a small proportion of the hundreds (thousands, more like) of transfers that took place without this financial hiccup arising.

Now as I am not a moderator of this group I have no idea how long you have been a member of the GMF, but Gerald's post made reference to a post submitted by Bruce on 1st November, which in turn was a response to a query of yours of the same date, so you have been a member for at least 5 weeks. That's 5 weeks during which the need for the transfer payment to be for a single Premium yearly plan popped up moderately often and yet you seem to have never spotted it.

Were you not looking at other peoples' queries and the responses to them over that period? There is a lot to be learned from other owners' and moderators' questions and answers, and just focussing on one's own immediate issue can result in missing a lot of potentially useful snippets. Here you seem to have missed the fact that a small number of other transferees had made the same slip as you had; had you spotted them you would have been able to make good the error in time for your transfer to go ahead.

I can fully understand your sense of frustration, but I think you ought to realise that a large part of the responsibility for your present predicament lies with you. It certainly does not lie with the GMF or its members; as has been pointed out this is a peer to peer group for Group Managers, not Groups.io Managers.?

Chris

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 12:00 PM, Don Grass wrote:

some great photos cannot be used because manipulating them to fit 900x300 pixels kind of ruins them for display

You don't need to do any manipulation.? I just uploaded a 1280 x 960 picture and it was resized to 400 x 300 without distortion on my PC monitor.? When I squished the browser down to phone size, it dropped to 253 x 190, but still clear.? (When I used a 2592 x 3872 picture, it was 300 x 488 on the PC.)

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I am on the small staff of a group that manages a really large, interactive dog pedigree service for three breeds. There is a small Yahoo group that is used for questions and support.

Do I read the Groups.io pricing correctly that we could create a group at no cost with the only real limit the membership area like no direct adds of members? We have no photos or other such and no databases other than the dog pedigree and that runs in SQL Server on a dedicated server. So, nothing other than messages and the threads are rather short-lived.

Eric Johnson

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 12:48 PM, Lewin de Partone wrote:

Is there a feature where I can select to auto delete messages or block limit of archive? I want to set up the group so if new members join they cannot see post prior to their joining?

No.? You could set up a hashtag and add it to each topic so that it would delete the topic after a given amount of time.? Kind of defeats the purpose of having a group though.? You could do it much more easily with a mailing list.

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On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 12:34 PM, Randall wrote:

I would think that pretty much says it's not just an Outlook issue, but a "Groups IO issue".

Nope.? It's GIO saying the server that sent the message doesn't have reverse DNS set up properly.? There are hundreds, if not thousands, of outlook servers, so there could be only one that's set up incorrectly and if that's the one your message goes through, you get the error.? BTW, there are other services that have the same problem, but outlook is the most common.

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