Sharon . . .

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 23:33:29 +0000 (UTC), "Sharon Pohlman via
Groups.Io" <ceegee2006@...> wrote:

those I do that to have never caused me any problems

I think there's a choice to set them to "use group settings" which is
essentially unmoderated unless you see a flame war and put the entire
group on moderated status until things have calmed down.

That setting puts them into the state of having been through the 1,2,3
or more moderated messages you require in your group to allow them to
be under group settings instead of moderated.

We use the 1 approved post to get them to the use group settings
point. We haven't had spam by doing this, but a member's email account
COULD be hacked. The chances of that happening are the same whether
they have to get through 1 or 5 moderated posts first, and could
happen after they've made 1,000 posts, so we found the "1" setting to
work just fine. It also minimizes work for the moderators.

If you do that, from the members' perspective, they will probably
never see their messages moderated. In the rare event that you do put
the whole group on moderated status, only then would these members be
moderated and only until you put the group back to it's original
setting.

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Gerald,

To summarize, it used to show deletions and probably still does for
old emails. It did not for a message deleted today.

It might, for some groups, I don't know.

As I said:

Note that Y!Groups activity logs are not 100% reliable: in some of my
groups some of the tabs stopped updating months or years ago, so you
may not get a complete list of deleted messages, particularly if the
deletion was recent.

Among my Y!Groups the "stopped updating" date appears to be different for different Activity tabs and also different for the same tab in different groups. Some Activity tabs in some groups are still updating. So the best I can say is "Your mileage may vary".

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Sharon . . .

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 23:00:51 +0000 (UTC), "Sharon Pohlman via
Groups.Io" <ceegee2006@...> wrote:

What I am not liking is when IO determines that something is spam so they remove the post AND the member. I donot think that is right. its my group let me decide if it is spaqm and if the member should be removed.

GIO doesn't remove a member for sending SPAM to the group. That is up
to the moderators to determine.

Now if the member deletes a message from GIO and it's in their spam
folder, they mark it as SPAM, or their email provider marks it as SPAM
and it's left in the spam folder long enough that the email provider
automatically deletes it, then GIO will unsubscribe them.

This arrangement had to be agreed upon by forum platforms like GIO to
reduce unwanted messages for the email users (members). I believe this
is part of the DMARC specification for the web to help reduce spam. At
any rate, if GIO did not implement this, they would be blacklisted by
some email providers. This is supposed to be for our protection but it
only works well if people are aware of how it works and to NOT mark
messages as spam that aren't, check their spam folders, don't delete a
message in the spam folder that isn't spam, etc.

It's up to the members to treat GIO messages as messages and not SPAM,
and for moderators/owners to train and educate their members about
this. If the members don't read your messages about this (you do send
out a message now and then about this, don't you?), then they will end
up being kicked off the group.

Some of our groups have a monthly reminder sent out about this so new
members will see this soon after they join. I might make it a message
they will get when joining, too, but we haven't had many members make
that mistake and get kicked out. Most of those who have immediately
rejoin, and hopefully they actually read the email they get after
being removed.

Do I like the way this works? Not at all. But we're stuck with it
since email providers have demanded it and we wouldn't be getting
messages from forum platforms without the platforms agreeing to do
this.

Donald


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Sharon, why not do an admin post to the group explaining GIO's spam policy?? That way, members will know that you're not removing them, that under certain conditions, posts get marked as spam by email providers, and GIO removes that member.? there's a rejoin button right there for them to get back on the list.
It will also let members know not to ever mark a gio post as spam.? You can include the link in your post that Duane just posted.??

If your group is restricted, you can set the group to no mod and solve the problem of removing each member from mod.

Terri

Don,

... and some great photos cannot be used because manipulating them to
fit 900x300 pixels kind of ruins them for display.

It may or may not be useful for your situation, but one thing I've seen done is to take two or three images that are closer to square, and compose them together into a 3:1 aspect ratio for the cover image.

Or you could flank your your showcase image with flat colors or graphics of your choice to fill out the width. Maybe a headline about the member to the left and a credits or other info to the right.

You should be able to do this even with relatively simple photo editors, such as the Paint utility included with Windows.

I've learned to deal with this limitation.

If that's what you meant by "learned to deal with" my apologies for telling you what you already know.

Shal


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On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 05:21 PM, Bill Burns wrote:

That would suggest that the number of groups hosted here had also doubled (approximately) in that period.

I would interpret that to mean the number of members had doubled, not the number of groups.? That would jibe with the figures I mentioned for site members.

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On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 05:20 PM, Sharon Pohlman wrote:

in my new Io groups some that came over from my yahoo group and I knew who they were I unmoderated them right away .

I hope you realize that by doing that, you would have to change each one of them if there was a flame war or other serious problem in the group.

What I am not liking is when IO determines that something is spam so they remove the post AND the member. I donot think that is right. its my group let me decide if it is spaqm and if the member should be removed.

You need to read /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam to get a handle on that.? The email they get will tell them that THEY (or their email provider) marked a message as spam, not GIO.

Duane
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On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 06:20 PM, Sharon Pohlman wrote:

in my new Io groups some that came over from my yahoo group and I knew who they were I unmoderated them right away . What I am not liking is when IO determines that something is spam so they remove the post AND the member. I donot think that is right. its my group let me decide if it is spaqm and if the member should be removed. . Yes they get to return but what if they thought we removed them? I have had to let 3 people know IO does that not me.?

Please see this wiki page for an explanation.

/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam

An important point is made on this page:

Frances
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On 12/8/2019 3:52 PM, Duane wrote:

Lacking a statement from Mark on the beta group, I took it upon myself to do a little digging about how many groups may have been transferred in the last 7 weeks.? As near as I can tell, almost 2000 groups, including almost 2,000,000 members have been added.? That's only based on the number of publicly listed groups, so it could be somewhat higher if many aren't listed in the Directory.? Hopefully he'll give a summary after he's had a chance to relax a bit.
Duane

Mark also posted a few days ago that he was about to upgrade the outbound email server, as the number of outgoing email had more than doubled from a month and a half ago. That would suggest that the number of groups hosted here had also doubled (approximately) in that period.



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On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 05:12 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

There may be a few other types of entries mixed in, but that's as narrow as I can get it since the Actions drop-list is inactive (gray) for this choice.

Shal

More checking here. As I stated earlier, I did not see a Deleted record in the Activity list when I deleted an email today in my Yahoo test group.

However, I subsequently went back and checked for deleted activities for a long established group and indeed these records do show up in the Activity list.

To summarize, it used to show deletions and probably still does for old emails. It did not for a message deleted today.
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Brian . . .

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 13:29:49 -0500, "Lewin de Partone"
<lewindepartone@...> wrote:

Is there a feature where I can select to auto delete messages or block limit of archive? I want to set up the group so if new members join they cannot see post prior to their joining?

Funny that you mention this, but you could set up a Yahoo group after
Dec 14. After that, they will be no longer host the message archives.
I believe you will have to receive all posts by email after then and
won't be able to read them on the group site anymore.

New members would not be able to see the old posts, so that would seem
to meet your objectives. Older members would have the prior messages
in their email program if they choose to save them.

Donald



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On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 04:24 PM, Jonathan Sivier wrote:

I would have guessed it was significantly higher than that. Back in October, when the flurry of transfer began, I glanced at the Publicly Listed Groups list and as I recall there were something over 13,000 groups listed. Now there are over 21,000.

I believe you're correct about the number of groups created, but apparently few were Easy transfers.? I based my guesstimate on the Created: date, assuming that any before GIO was launched would be those transfers.? Of course, that would include any transferred before the YG mess.? I happened to check on Oct 29 and there were ~2000, now there are ~3700.? There could be a few that were established on YG after the GIO launch (23 Sep 2014), but I wouldn't expect too many.? And then we run into the situation where multiple YG were transferred to one GIO group.? I rounded up to 2000.

I'm not sure about the public to private ratio either.? I have 4 groups, all publicly listed.

I think I'll wait to see what Mark might say, if he cares to, on beta.

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If someone has trouble reaching Wilson, they can contact me. Also, he
sometimes has bounced messages from the email addresses that PG
Offline users send from. I send out his message to them when that
happens. So email services can be the actual problem when it might
seem that Wilson is ignoring emails. He doesn't ignore them.

But he's in the UK so on a different time schedule, so keep that in
mind. If you email him at 11 PM EST, it's 4 AM his time. Don't expect
an answer for at least several hours. Give him some time to sleep
before being concerned your email hasn't got through.

Donald

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 00:31:12 -0800, "Shal Farley" <shals2nd@...>
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Try emailing from a different email service.

A couple weeks ago someone else reported a similar difficulty and it
turned out that Wilson had been trying to reply, but that person's email
service was rejecting ("bouncing") Wilson's replies.

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I would have guessed it was significantly higher than that. Back in October, when the flurry of transfer began, I glanced at the Publicly Listed Groups list and as I recall there were something over 13,000 groups listed. Now there are over 21,000. That is an increase of 8,000, around 60%, in the past 7 weeks. Not all of those would have been transfers, but I bet most of them were. Assuming a similar number of private groups that aren't listed (a total guess based only on my own person groups, 4 public, 4 private) would mean around 16,000 groups transferred. Even assuming that some of the 8,000 were new creations and not transfers and that the ratio of private to public groups is much lower, it could still be on the order of 10,000 groups transferred.

Jonathan

Sandi,

One of our Members had a P by her name and I have no idea how that
happened because in our group setting the "Moderated" box is unchecked
under Spam Control. Meaning all members can post unmoderated. So to
me, the appearance of the P badge was confusing.

It is purely an indication that the member has that override set. It tells you that should you change the group's Moderated box, this particular member will not be affected (will remain unmoderated).

IDK how it happened that she was the only member with the P.

It could have been set manually by a mod, or if this member was imported from a Yahoo Group it could have been copied from her subscription there.

What I find even more interesting is that I do *not* have a P badge by
my name and like her, my Posting Privileges box setting is "Override:
not moderated".

Double check that you don't actually have that badge, but that it has been cropped in the display by extending into the following column (Delivery). You may have to widen the display window, or zoom out, to reveal it.

If you really don't have the badge after your email address, but do have an override set, that would be a bug to report to support.

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Gerald:

"Should". Well, maybe, but I just did a check and Deletions are not a choice on the list of Activities to filter on.

Search on "Conversations":

There may be a few other types of entries mixed in, but that's as narrow as I can get it since the Actions drop-list is inactive (gray) for this choice.

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On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 08:57 PM, Dr. Denver Fox wrote:

I receive a lot of external messages with attachments which, when forwarded to the entire listserve, the attachments do not come through on the Digest

Disclosure; I do not know the answer, but I have some more questions that might help us work towards one!

Some clarification of your terminology would be useful. When you say I receive a lot of external messages with attachments do you mean that you personally receive them or are they sent to you as a moderator? Your mention of "forwarding" would suggest the former but some clarification might be helpful.

Either way, do the attachments appear on the group web UI or not? And do they appear on "Individual emails" when that is the chosen delivery method to subscribers?

I haven't been able to find anything relevant on any help pages (OK; I might have missed it!) but IIRC attachments are not scanned for viruses so it is possible that attachments sent by non - members of your group will be stripped off automatically.

And what is your Attachments setting in Settings? (Allow / Bounce / Strip / Moderate)

Chris