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Hi all,

This week's change log:


Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

CHANGE: We are no longer accepting new Yahoo Group transfer requests.

I don't imagine there's anyone still involved in Yahoo Groups who's missed this one.

Meanwhile the deadline for requesting a download from Yahoo ticks nearer (2019-12-15 07:59 UTC). See this message if interested in more detail:


I'd appreciate it if further discussion of Yahoo, its legacy, and its functionality / prospects going forward be conducted in Y!GMF so that /this/ GMF can move on with the topic of managing our Groups.io groups.


However, discussion of uploading / importing content from Yahoo groups (however you obtained it) to your Groups.io groups is still on-topic here.


Comments about these others are also welcome:

SYSADMIN: Upgraded the outbound email machine.
API: Added reply, bcc_me and from_owner parameters to the /postdraft

endpoint.

API: Added /authenticateloginlink endpoint.

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal
GMF Founder
Y!GMF Owner


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Dan,

I have a user complaint about not getting messages, this is a
screenshot of the record. Any advice on what this means, and how to
troubleshoot?

What Duane said.

Basically this is a problem which the member's email service. Have the member send your screenshot to tech support at his/her service. The user can also locate the same information on his/her Subscription page or via his/her Account, Recent Bounces page; if the member has any other group subscriptions bounces from all of them would be listed there.

Until and unless he/she can convince his/her email service to whitelist Groups.io, or at least ignore this particular Real Time Blacklist service, the member is likely to have ongoing problems with missing messages.

My impertinent advice: choose a better email service.

The wiki page about "removed for spam" is tangentially related, but this particular member's problem isn't that group messages went to spam, it is that they were rejected outright by his/her email service.

If the group's messages /had/ gone to spam that would have been better: at least the member could find them and mark them as "not spam".

Shal


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Beck,

This is the first non-member responding to the group since we converted, so I am at a loss of how to accept them the correct way.

What Michael said: you approve a pending member on the Pending Approval view of your group's members page:

You may also be able to approve the member by simply replying to the Pending Subscription notice.

As to the person's reply to your Pending Subscription Notice, his/her reply would have been directed to your group's +owner address. There is no direct way to direct his/her reply to the group in general, you'd have to forward it from your email.

Shal


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You have understood my objective correctly Bruce. It would be better to have no ownership showing rather than the wrong one for files and put the correct ownership in the file description; that is what I have been doing. I was rather hoping that when the dummy account was deleted it would leave a place holder for the name to be selected.

Thanks for your time.

Mike

Droxine,

It's just hard for me to believe that 10% of messages were deleted
(purposefully, not by yahoo glitch or something). I was sole owner
and mod, and think I'd remember.

What Dano said: it is possible that some of the members deleted some or all of their own messages.

You might be able to see if this was the case by opening the Activity Log in your Yahoo Group, select the Web tab, and select Conversations in the Search drop box. Then click the Search button. This should produce a list of actions (including deletions) taken by members or mods.

Note that Y!Groups activity logs are not 100% reliable: in some of my groups some of the tabs stopped updating months or years ago, so you may not get a complete list of deleted messages, particularly if the deletion was recent.

What Dano said about an earlier owner deleting "unnecessary" messages may not apply in your case, but it is true that when I first started using Yahoo Groups (in 2003) that groups had limited storage for messages, so there was a motive for deleting older or less useful messages.

Shal


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On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 04:45 PM, droxine5 wrote:

Do you remember having to delete a ton of spam or mistakes or were you as surprised as I was?

No, I don't recall anything of the kind. Although I was not always a moderator for our forum, the person who was would surely have reported such issues. Of course, there were some deliberate deletions over the years, but those couldn't have added up to more than a couple of dozen messages at most -- definitely not several hundred. So yes: the discrepancy was a big surprise.

Dear Lena,

thank you so much for the great work you have done. Now it works
perfekctly with the date!

Many greetings
Andrea

It exists. Someone else just asked about this earlier!

See?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Screening-New-Members-Using-the-Pending-Subscription-Notice

and
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Member-Notices

Lots more in the GMF wiki for owners and moderators as well as info for members about logging in, etc.?

See link below.?

Frances


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GMF Wiki: (unofficial) Help for members (and would-be members) and group managers

Something Yahoo! Groups did was require a request for membership to a Group to be accompanied with a reason.

It seems that Groups.io doesn't provide for or require a new applicant to provide a reason for the application. This necessitates questions being asked of the applicant prior to approving membership.

It would also be helpful if the applicant's IP address was captured at the time of application, in order to help a Group Owner or Moderator assess the likelihood of an authentic application.?

On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 08:59 PM, Stuart McCarthy wrote:

I'm the Moderator of our Group, but the Owner has not been heard of since his last post earlier this year.

I have sent him numerous emails to his private email address and to the Owners email address via Groups.IO, but no response. I also sent an email to Groups.IO some weeks back but have not heard back.

What can I do, we have a few issues that need addressing, one needs a member being moderated, I tried but it did not work.

Stuart -- If support is refusing to help you...and there are very good reasons why Mark might choose not to...there's not much you can do.

This is why every group should have at least two Owners.

Bruce

On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 11:01 PM, Janie wrote:

When our group used to be on Yahoo, we had a setting to stop posts for two days for a break. How is that done in an IO group??

Janie -- Go to Admin>Settings>Spam Control and tick the "Announcement Group" checkbox. This will bounce any incoming messages from regular Subscribers until such time that you decide to allow posting to resume.?If you don't want to actually bounce messages but instead just delay their delivery, tick "Moderated" instead.

Bruce

On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 11:13 PM, Ullman Garrett wrote:

If a link is sent out, subscribers cannot see the attachment unless they have created a password for the website.

To clarify, they will have to log in. A password is not necessary.

See?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Logging-In

Bruce

Hi Droxine -- moot point, but just to answer your question...
Yeah, I was (ha! Ironically) the "tech guy" for our Yahoo forum -- rarely participated in discussions, but tried to keep it running properly and keep the members (almost a thousand, but only a few dozen who contributed regularly/frequently) informed about each fresh Yahoo glitch (lost count of how many over the years). Most members participated exclusively through the e-list and rarely visited the actual forum, and therefore were often unaware of Yahoo incompetence. I received (most of the time) all the e-mails pending moderator approval, but deleted them from my inbox once I could see they were posted to both the forum and the e-list.

That would be the thing to do, though, if one had the time and energy (and had saved all the e-list messages) -- check e-list messages against forum posts. For an even moderately busy forum, that seems a daunting undertaking. And as far as we know (we asked GIO tech support about this almost a month ago and have yet to receive any acknowledgment), messages can't be inserted into a GIO forum in the same order in which they first appeared in the Yahoo forum to which they were originally posted. They'd instead appear in the GIO forum as new posts. On top of which, one of Yahoo's recurring problems (especially once the godawful Neo platform was foisted upon users) was that sometimes messages would go through on the e-list but not appear on the forum, sometimes messages would post to the forum but not show up on the e-list, or, more commonly, messages sent (either via e-mail or submitted directly at the forum) would never show up on either the e-list or the forum.

On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 11:13 PM, Ullman Garrett wrote:

Apparently, attachments incorporated in an email can be sent out to the group with a link instead of the embedded attachment.? If a link is sent out, subscribers cannot see the attachment unless they have created a password for the website.

Ullman -- That's correct.

What determines whether an attachment is embedded or a link is provided. Is this a function of the email service that the subscriber uses or is this something that does?

It depends on each subscriber's setting for Max Attachment Size in Advanced Preferences. Any group email sent -- individual or digest -- whose collective attachments exceeds the limit causes attachments to be sent as links.

Bruce

When our group used to be on Yahoo, we had a setting to stop posts for two days for a break. How is that done in an IO group??

It didn't take me long to realize that there were quite a
few messages that had been deleted over time and that
the highest message number on Yahoo was not a
representative count of the actual total number of
messages.

I hope this is my case as well. It's just hard for me to
believe that 10% of messages were deleted (purposefully,
not by yahoo glitch or something). I was sole owner and
mod, and think I'd remember.

I can only offer my own experiences as possible explanations.

I transferred a couple of groups over from Y! over three years ago. After the transfer I noticed a similar thing and went into the archives looking for the gaps. What I found was that we had some members who had left had taken down their posts when they did. Since posts are technically the property of the author, and the poster holds the original copyright, they had the right to pull down their own posts on Y! just as a poster has the right to remove their own posts on groups.io. I found examples where an original post might not exist but a response in a following reply might quote part of the original message.

In another case, it appeared Yahoo had suggested at one time they were going to limit storage for messages, and a previous owner had obviously deleted what he thought were insignificant posts.

Yahoo's previous actions were also the cause of some curious things such as photos in the Files area. Yahoo at one time limited the size of photos and resized them, so poster were forced to share larger detailed photos as files instead.

Dano

On Dec 7, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Beck, Laurence via Groups.Io <lbeck@...> wrote:

Pending Subscription Notice. This is the first non-member responding to the group since we converted, so I am at a loss of how to accept them the correct way.> > > > >

If you still have the "Subscription Approval Needed" notice email (and no one other than you has Claimed the Pending Subscription:
Click on "View Pending Member" in the "Subscription Approval Needed" notice email,

Otherwise, go to the group's website Admin > Members
Select "Pending Members" (in the drop-down Members menu) if not already shown
Click on the row (not the check box) of the Pending Member
Click on "Approve Pending Sub" button on bottom of the page