On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 09:18 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

but I made his message a new topic (edited the subject while pending) because it seemed like an interesting subject of its own, regardless of the specifics of the storage thread.

Shal, thanks for moving all of the off-topic discussion about "unlike" etc out of the discussion about storage and pricing.? Great job of moderation!

Bob,

Someone took my comment out of context and made it a new topic by by
partially quoting my message, ...

Well, I quoted you, then Drew quoted me quoting you, but I made his message a new topic (edited the subject while pending) because it seemed like an interesting subject of its own, regardless of the specifics of the storage thread.

Notably, in the context of this thread, Drew was advocating up/down voting (a net count of likes and unlikes by all members).

... and also leaving out my answer to Shal which would limit my answer
to only the conversation we were in at that time viz:
Bob,

I truly wish there was an unlike button on groups.io for this
conversations.

Hmm... now you seem to be misquoting yourself. With the word "this" in the sentence I might not have been so curious.
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/2476

I would now like to have an UNLIKE button to show my disappreciation
for being only partially quoted

I didn't have any intention of misquoting you.

I took an opportunity to springboard Drew's comment in support of an unlike button into an entirely new topic. I didn't know whether your comment conveyed an intent on your part to have a broader conversation; that's why I asked what you would unlike.

Shal

Kevin,

Once sent, the user gets a message from me the moderator but then the body of the message refers to me in the third person using my full name twice. Then that's followed by a custom message. At the end, even though it supposed to be from me, it is signed off on by someone else.

Yeah, that's why I insert horizontal lines at the top and bottom of . That way I've got:

I'm hoping that the lines give enough distinction to make the change of speaker less confusing.

Shal

My wish for an unlike button was in the context of the Price Too High, Storage Too Low topic which went on and on and then on some more.
I simply was expressing my exasperation with the topic since I feel Mark will never be able to satisfy everyone who wants endless capability and storage space at not cost.
Someone took my comment out of context and made it a new topic by by partially quoting my message, and also leaving out my answer to Shal which would limit my answer to only the conversation we were in at that time viz:
Bob,

> I truly wish there was an unlike button on groups.io for this
conversations.
Well, now I'm curious - what would you unlike?
Shal
My statement above, answering Shal's "what would you unlike?" was answered by me thus:
"This entire conversation" in my next reply to Shal
Absent the above answer to Shal, my original comment is given an entirely new meaning which I did not intend.

I would now like to have an UNLIKE button to show my disappreciation for being only partially quoted


--
Bob Bellizzi

The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation

Sat, 28 Oct 2017 18:19:07 -0700, "Shal Farley" <shals2nd@...>,
wrote:

INTERNAL: Relaxed requirement that the person paying for a group
must be a member of that group.

That is OK as long as the name of the payer is known by the group
members.
("Have you ever been or are you now a member ...")
--
Arno

Sat, 28 Oct 2017 18:19:07 -0700, "Shal Farley" <shals2nd@...>,
wrote:
[ ... ]

There's a vigorous discussion on
beta@ about how to best implement the unsubscription link in Groups.io
footers.

I think the best way would be not to display the user's name but request
to have her/him enter that to be un subscribed.

I am the moderator of a small Yahoogroup (owner's gone AWOL) and most
who have left in the past have sent an eMail to be deleted.
That again caused several members to post "All you have to do is click
on the unsubscribe link .. ", upon which the OP posts "Why can't Arno
just do it?".
It isn't much work but creates a lot of idle chatter.
--
Arno

Sat, 28 Oct 2017 16:34:10 -0700, "JMichaelTX" <JMichael@...>,
wrote:

One area where voting can be useful is feature requests.? Even then, it is just one indicator to the developer of what would be best for his/her user community.

I am a Beta tester for a consumer daily use product where we communicate
on a closed forum on that company's private server.
It would be terrible, to my mind, if others would vote thumbs up/thumbs
down on a feature suggestion.

That is exactly why I do not wish to see the option of giving a post a
negative attribute, unless such a feature can be transparently disabled
by the group owner.
--
Arno

Hi all,

This week's change log:


Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.


* In the /leave flow, do not show the resubscribe link.

This is likely the first patch with more changes to come. A vulnerability was uncovered whereby if one forwarded or CC'd a group message with the footer intact, the recipient could use the Unsubscribe link to gain access to your account. There's a vigorous discussion on beta@ about how to best implement the unsubscription link in Groups.io footers.



* Search wasn't properly handling multi-byte characters in query strings.

This would affect members who use accented, non-latin, or other special characters in UTF-8 encoding.


* When approving/rejecting a pending message in a subgroup, we weren't allowing people who weren't moderators of the subgroup but who were moderators of the parent group to do so.

Follow that? mods/owners of the primary group are implicitly mods/owners of all subgroups, regardless of whether they have been visibly given that role in the subgroups.


* No longer delete any pending messages from someone when they unsubscribe. Also, display a notice that they are not a subscriber when viewing their pending messages.

This leaves it up to the group mods to decide what to do when a moderated member posts a message but then leaves the group before the message has been approved. Previously such messages were automatically deleted. This occasionally caused consternation when the leaving was unintentional and the member promptly resumed membership: "Hey, where'd my message go?".


* Some broken emails have an empty text/plain part but a real text/html part that unfortunately is tagged 'Content-Disposition: attachment'. For this specific instance, we now ignore that and use the text/html part when displaying the message.

Wow, that really is broken. That email interface author must have been under the influence of something. Or unbelievably inexperienced with formatted email, and lacking the common sense to go look at some examples.


Comments about these others are also welcome:

INTERNAL: Relaxed requirement that the person paying for a group must be a member of that group.
CHANGE: When viewing a member's subgroup subscriptions, show 'Pending' next to pending subs.
SYSADMIN: Tested database backups.
CHANGE: Don't index Enterprise groups in the group search.
CHANGE: Added 'Topic Options' speech tag for topic actions dropdown.
BUGFIX: Searching within a specific thread did not always work.
BUGFIX: Searching within attachments didn't always work.
BUGFIX: Deleting attachments would not delete them from the new search.
CHANGE: Calendar event reminders now are sent as coming from the group itself instead of a noreply@ address.
BUGFIX: Don't show the 'Private' button when replying to a system message like a calendar event notice.
BUGFIX: Bulk remove was only working for premium groups. Fixed.
BUGFIX: The wrong email command address was listed in the Help email for switching to special notices only.
NEW: Updates to the help section for the new hashtag options.
NEW: New API endpoint /creategroup along with additional options for /createsubgroup.
BUGFIX: Deleting a single/multi-choice option in a table when someone has already selected that option caused the display of the table to break.
BUGFIX: Fixed a file descriptor leak in the code that talks with the search cluster.


Please call out any you find significant.

Shal

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 04:17 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

In systems like StackExchange the up/down voting is an essential part of achieving consensus on the best answer to a question. But those are not discussion forums

Exactly.? Plus, it is a technical discussion, where there is at least the basis for an objective answer/vote.? I do rely on the vote there to some extent, but I also read the other answers, which are sometimes more relevant to my use case.

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 04:17 pm, J_Catlady wrote:

Groups.io already has that "unlike" function.

Then it would seem to me that we already have most of what we want.

One area where voting can be useful is feature requests.? Even then, it is just one indicator to the developer of what would be best for his/her user community.??

JMichaelTX,

So forums allow both on the same post: "likes" and up/down voting.
That's fine, but I'm not sure what good it does. Does anyone really
give much weight to either in making decisions?

Depends on the forum.

In systems like StackExchange the up/down voting is an essential part of achieving consensus on the best answer to a question. But those are not discussion forums, the format is strictly Question and Answer (they may have discussion areas separately).

Shal

Sharon,

How do I edit the invitation message.

Either in the Member Notices tab of your group's settings page, or on the Invite page itself.

Every customization that has been added to the main message and it is
pretty weird. I wouldn’t respond to it.

I'm not sure what you're saying here.

The invitation as sent has some boilerplate added above and below the text that you can customize. I usually put a horizontal line, or row of hyphens, at the top and bottom of my custom text to more clearly distinguish it from the boilerplate.

Shal

Sharon,

Do subgroups have individual features like files, calendar, etc.?

Yes.

My test group has subgroups if you want to test or create some before making a permanent change to your real group. Note that the web/email address format for a group which has subgroups is different, and that change cannot be undone by deleting the subgroups.

And do subgroup’s files, photos, etc. count toward the parent group’s
storage limit or are they treated like individual groups?

The primary group and its subgroups are added together for the limits. Mark briefly changed it to separate limits, but put it back a couple days later.

Shal

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 11:51 pm, JMichaelTX wrote:

The best forums I have used only allow a member to "like", and then to "unlike" his/her own "like". ?

Groups.io already has that "unlike" function.
?
--
J

How do I edit the invitation message. Every customization that has been added to the main message and it is pretty weird. I wouldn’t respond to it.

Sharon
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Where Everyone Trims Their Tails,
Smothers Flames, Ignores Trolls, and
Never Sends Private Messages to the List.

Do subgroups have individual features like files, calendar, etc.?

And do subgroup’s files, photos, etc. count toward the parent group’s storage limit or are they treated like individual groups?

Sharon
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[email protected]

Where Everyone Trims Their Tails,
Smothers Flames, Ignores Trolls, and
Never Sends Private Messages to the List.

I think some of you are confusing "likes" with "voting".? The best forums I have used only allow a member to "like", and then to "unlike" his/her own "like".? You can't "unlike" someone else's "like".? That would be "voting".

So forums allow both on the same post:? "likes" and up/down voting.
That's fine, but I'm not sure what good it does.? Does anyone really give much weight to either in making decisions?

So, bottom line for me, spending scarce resources on more changes for "likes", "unlikes" and/or "voting" is not a good use of resources.

Bob,

Isn't a photo an attachment?

That turns out to be a deeper question than you might think.

If the email is plain text only, then yes. An attached file is the only way a photo can go with.

If the email is formatted (text/html) then maybe. The image file could be carried along as an attachment, or it could be remotely referenced from a server (not in the email at all), or it could be in a data: parameter inside the HTML message body (this feature is new-ish).

Does Groups.io always differentiate between photo files, (jpg, etc.)
and non photo files so that it can selectively limit photos if the
appropriate box is checked in the group's configurfation?

Yes. Or at least I think if it misses one that could be a reportable bug.

Also, don't most email servers limit max content size?

Yes, there are usually limits both outbound and inbound. That used to be a major sticking point when the limits were relatively small - and led to the creation of sites like Dropbox to overcome the email limit.

Some email services even had (have?) automatic management of large attachments, whereby if you try to send too large an attachment the service will store it for you and pass a link to it in your outbound message.

Shal

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Actually it's I think 25 mb or something like that.?It's quite generous, well, sort of. I use mail butler to upload my stuff to the cloud and people just get a link when I send the message.?That ?I can go upto 4 gigs with that.