Sat, 28 Oct 2017 16:34:10 -0700, "JMichaelTX" <JMichael@...>,
wrote:

One area where voting can be useful is feature requests.? Even then, it is just one indicator to the developer of what would be best for his/her user community.

I am a Beta tester for a consumer daily use product where we communicate
on a closed forum on that company's private server.
It would be terrible, to my mind, if others would vote thumbs up/thumbs
down on a feature suggestion.

That is exactly why I do not wish to see the option of giving a post a
negative attribute, unless such a feature can be transparently disabled
by the group owner.
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Hi all,

This week's change log:


Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.


* In the /leave flow, do not show the resubscribe link.

This is likely the first patch with more changes to come. A vulnerability was uncovered whereby if one forwarded or CC'd a group message with the footer intact, the recipient could use the Unsubscribe link to gain access to your account. There's a vigorous discussion on beta@ about how to best implement the unsubscription link in Groups.io footers.



* Search wasn't properly handling multi-byte characters in query strings.

This would affect members who use accented, non-latin, or other special characters in UTF-8 encoding.


* When approving/rejecting a pending message in a subgroup, we weren't allowing people who weren't moderators of the subgroup but who were moderators of the parent group to do so.

Follow that? mods/owners of the primary group are implicitly mods/owners of all subgroups, regardless of whether they have been visibly given that role in the subgroups.


* No longer delete any pending messages from someone when they unsubscribe. Also, display a notice that they are not a subscriber when viewing their pending messages.

This leaves it up to the group mods to decide what to do when a moderated member posts a message but then leaves the group before the message has been approved. Previously such messages were automatically deleted. This occasionally caused consternation when the leaving was unintentional and the member promptly resumed membership: "Hey, where'd my message go?".


* Some broken emails have an empty text/plain part but a real text/html part that unfortunately is tagged 'Content-Disposition: attachment'. For this specific instance, we now ignore that and use the text/html part when displaying the message.

Wow, that really is broken. That email interface author must have been under the influence of something. Or unbelievably inexperienced with formatted email, and lacking the common sense to go look at some examples.


Comments about these others are also welcome:

INTERNAL: Relaxed requirement that the person paying for a group must be a member of that group.
CHANGE: When viewing a member's subgroup subscriptions, show 'Pending' next to pending subs.
SYSADMIN: Tested database backups.
CHANGE: Don't index Enterprise groups in the group search.
CHANGE: Added 'Topic Options' speech tag for topic actions dropdown.
BUGFIX: Searching within a specific thread did not always work.
BUGFIX: Searching within attachments didn't always work.
BUGFIX: Deleting attachments would not delete them from the new search.
CHANGE: Calendar event reminders now are sent as coming from the group itself instead of a noreply@ address.
BUGFIX: Don't show the 'Private' button when replying to a system message like a calendar event notice.
BUGFIX: Bulk remove was only working for premium groups. Fixed.
BUGFIX: The wrong email command address was listed in the Help email for switching to special notices only.
NEW: Updates to the help section for the new hashtag options.
NEW: New API endpoint /creategroup along with additional options for /createsubgroup.
BUGFIX: Deleting a single/multi-choice option in a table when someone has already selected that option caused the display of the table to break.
BUGFIX: Fixed a file descriptor leak in the code that talks with the search cluster.


Please call out any you find significant.

Shal

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 04:17 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

In systems like StackExchange the up/down voting is an essential part of achieving consensus on the best answer to a question. But those are not discussion forums

Exactly.? Plus, it is a technical discussion, where there is at least the basis for an objective answer/vote.? I do rely on the vote there to some extent, but I also read the other answers, which are sometimes more relevant to my use case.

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 04:17 pm, J_Catlady wrote:

Groups.io already has that "unlike" function.

Then it would seem to me that we already have most of what we want.

One area where voting can be useful is feature requests.? Even then, it is just one indicator to the developer of what would be best for his/her user community.??

JMichaelTX,

So forums allow both on the same post: "likes" and up/down voting.
That's fine, but I'm not sure what good it does. Does anyone really
give much weight to either in making decisions?

Depends on the forum.

In systems like StackExchange the up/down voting is an essential part of achieving consensus on the best answer to a question. But those are not discussion forums, the format is strictly Question and Answer (they may have discussion areas separately).

Shal

Sharon,

How do I edit the invitation message.

Either in the Member Notices tab of your group's settings page, or on the Invite page itself.

Every customization that has been added to the main message and it is
pretty weird. I wouldn’t respond to it.

I'm not sure what you're saying here.

The invitation as sent has some boilerplate added above and below the text that you can customize. I usually put a horizontal line, or row of hyphens, at the top and bottom of my custom text to more clearly distinguish it from the boilerplate.

Shal

Sharon,

Do subgroups have individual features like files, calendar, etc.?

Yes.

My test group has subgroups if you want to test or create some before making a permanent change to your real group. Note that the web/email address format for a group which has subgroups is different, and that change cannot be undone by deleting the subgroups.

And do subgroup’s files, photos, etc. count toward the parent group’s
storage limit or are they treated like individual groups?

The primary group and its subgroups are added together for the limits. Mark briefly changed it to separate limits, but put it back a couple days later.

Shal

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 11:51 pm, JMichaelTX wrote:

The best forums I have used only allow a member to "like", and then to "unlike" his/her own "like". ?

Groups.io already has that "unlike" function.
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J

How do I edit the invitation message. Every customization that has been added to the main message and it is pretty weird. I wouldn’t respond to it.

Sharon
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Do subgroups have individual features like files, calendar, etc.?

And do subgroup’s files, photos, etc. count toward the parent group’s storage limit or are they treated like individual groups?

Sharon
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I think some of you are confusing "likes" with "voting".? The best forums I have used only allow a member to "like", and then to "unlike" his/her own "like".? You can't "unlike" someone else's "like".? That would be "voting".

So forums allow both on the same post:? "likes" and up/down voting.
That's fine, but I'm not sure what good it does.? Does anyone really give much weight to either in making decisions?

So, bottom line for me, spending scarce resources on more changes for "likes", "unlikes" and/or "voting" is not a good use of resources.

Bob,

Isn't a photo an attachment?

That turns out to be a deeper question than you might think.

If the email is plain text only, then yes. An attached file is the only way a photo can go with.

If the email is formatted (text/html) then maybe. The image file could be carried along as an attachment, or it could be remotely referenced from a server (not in the email at all), or it could be in a data: parameter inside the HTML message body (this feature is new-ish).

Does Groups.io always differentiate between photo files, (jpg, etc.)
and non photo files so that it can selectively limit photos if the
appropriate box is checked in the group's configurfation?

Yes. Or at least I think if it misses one that could be a reportable bug.

Also, don't most email servers limit max content size?

Yes, there are usually limits both outbound and inbound. That used to be a major sticking point when the limits were relatively small - and led to the creation of sites like Dropbox to overcome the email limit.

Some email services even had (have?) automatic management of large attachments, whereby if you try to send too large an attachment the service will store it for you and pass a link to it in your outbound message.

Shal

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Actually it's I think 25 mb or something like that.?It's quite generous, well, sort of. I use mail butler to upload my stuff to the cloud and people just get a link when I send the message.?That ?I can go upto 4 gigs with that.

Isn't a photo an attachment?
Does Groups.io always differentiate between photo files, (jpg, etc.) and non photo files so that it can selectively limit photos if the appropriate box is checked in the group's configurfation?
Also, don't most email servers limit max content size?? I think gmail maxs you out if your message's total size is 10megabytes.
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Jim,

Is there a way to limit the size of attachment that a member can post
to the group?

There is for photos, sort-of, but not for attachments. That's probably because for photos the limit is expressed in pixel dimensions and photos over the limit can be automatically resized to fit. With file attachments the only options would be to strip them or bounce the message.

Or... force the message to the pending queue and defer the choice of stripping, rejecting, or accepting them to the moderator's case-by-case judgment. So I guess those weren't the only options.

The only objection I can see to implementing this feature would be an argument against the added complexity. But that generally hasn't been stopping Mark from implementing good ideas.

Shal

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We're just getting our group started. There is some discussion about attachments. I see we can set a group policy for the maximum size of attachments that a member will receive by email, which individual members can choose to override. Is there a way to limit the size of attachment that a member can post to the group? We'd like to have more control over attachment sizes so we don't run up our storage usage and so we don't have members receiving mega-messages because they unwittingly set their personal attachment size limit to unlimited.

Thanks,

Jim

Exactly. Spot on.
Gin

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