On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 04:17 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

In systems like StackExchange the up/down voting is an essential part of achieving consensus on the best answer to a question. But those are not discussion forums

Exactly.? Plus, it is a technical discussion, where there is at least the basis for an objective answer/vote.? I do rely on the vote there to some extent, but I also read the other answers, which are sometimes more relevant to my use case.

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 04:17 pm, J_Catlady wrote:

Groups.io already has that "unlike" function.

Then it would seem to me that we already have most of what we want.

One area where voting can be useful is feature requests.? Even then, it is just one indicator to the developer of what would be best for his/her user community.??

JMichaelTX,

So forums allow both on the same post: "likes" and up/down voting.
That's fine, but I'm not sure what good it does. Does anyone really
give much weight to either in making decisions?

Depends on the forum.

In systems like StackExchange the up/down voting is an essential part of achieving consensus on the best answer to a question. But those are not discussion forums, the format is strictly Question and Answer (they may have discussion areas separately).

Shal

Sharon,

How do I edit the invitation message.

Either in the Member Notices tab of your group's settings page, or on the Invite page itself.

Every customization that has been added to the main message and it is
pretty weird. I wouldn’t respond to it.

I'm not sure what you're saying here.

The invitation as sent has some boilerplate added above and below the text that you can customize. I usually put a horizontal line, or row of hyphens, at the top and bottom of my custom text to more clearly distinguish it from the boilerplate.

Shal

Sharon,

Do subgroups have individual features like files, calendar, etc.?

Yes.

My test group has subgroups if you want to test or create some before making a permanent change to your real group. Note that the web/email address format for a group which has subgroups is different, and that change cannot be undone by deleting the subgroups.

And do subgroup’s files, photos, etc. count toward the parent group’s
storage limit or are they treated like individual groups?

The primary group and its subgroups are added together for the limits. Mark briefly changed it to separate limits, but put it back a couple days later.

Shal

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 11:51 pm, JMichaelTX wrote:

The best forums I have used only allow a member to "like", and then to "unlike" his/her own "like". ?

Groups.io already has that "unlike" function.
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How do I edit the invitation message. Every customization that has been added to the main message and it is pretty weird. I wouldn’t respond to it.

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Do subgroups have individual features like files, calendar, etc.?

And do subgroup’s files, photos, etc. count toward the parent group’s storage limit or are they treated like individual groups?

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I think some of you are confusing "likes" with "voting".? The best forums I have used only allow a member to "like", and then to "unlike" his/her own "like".? You can't "unlike" someone else's "like".? That would be "voting".

So forums allow both on the same post:? "likes" and up/down voting.
That's fine, but I'm not sure what good it does.? Does anyone really give much weight to either in making decisions?

So, bottom line for me, spending scarce resources on more changes for "likes", "unlikes" and/or "voting" is not a good use of resources.

Bob,

Isn't a photo an attachment?

That turns out to be a deeper question than you might think.

If the email is plain text only, then yes. An attached file is the only way a photo can go with.

If the email is formatted (text/html) then maybe. The image file could be carried along as an attachment, or it could be remotely referenced from a server (not in the email at all), or it could be in a data: parameter inside the HTML message body (this feature is new-ish).

Does Groups.io always differentiate between photo files, (jpg, etc.)
and non photo files so that it can selectively limit photos if the
appropriate box is checked in the group's configurfation?

Yes. Or at least I think if it misses one that could be a reportable bug.

Also, don't most email servers limit max content size?

Yes, there are usually limits both outbound and inbound. That used to be a major sticking point when the limits were relatively small - and led to the creation of sites like Dropbox to overcome the email limit.

Some email services even had (have?) automatic management of large attachments, whereby if you try to send too large an attachment the service will store it for you and pass a link to it in your outbound message.

Shal

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Actually it's I think 25 mb or something like that.?It's quite generous, well, sort of. I use mail butler to upload my stuff to the cloud and people just get a link when I send the message.?That ?I can go upto 4 gigs with that.

Isn't a photo an attachment?
Does Groups.io always differentiate between photo files, (jpg, etc.) and non photo files so that it can selectively limit photos if the appropriate box is checked in the group's configurfation?
Also, don't most email servers limit max content size?? I think gmail maxs you out if your message's total size is 10megabytes.
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Jim,

Is there a way to limit the size of attachment that a member can post
to the group?

There is for photos, sort-of, but not for attachments. That's probably because for photos the limit is expressed in pixel dimensions and photos over the limit can be automatically resized to fit. With file attachments the only options would be to strip them or bounce the message.

Or... force the message to the pending queue and defer the choice of stripping, rejecting, or accepting them to the moderator's case-by-case judgment. So I guess those weren't the only options.

The only objection I can see to implementing this feature would be an argument against the added complexity. But that generally hasn't been stopping Mark from implementing good ideas.

Shal

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We're just getting our group started. There is some discussion about attachments. I see we can set a group policy for the maximum size of attachments that a member will receive by email, which individual members can choose to override. Is there a way to limit the size of attachment that a member can post to the group? We'd like to have more control over attachment sizes so we don't run up our storage usage and so we don't have members receiving mega-messages because they unwittingly set their personal attachment size limit to unlimited.

Thanks,

Jim

Exactly. Spot on.
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On 26 Oct 2017 at 18:31, Drew AF2Z wrote:

Perhaps group owners could have an option to disable the Unlike button if
they don't think it fits the character of their group. Or disable the Like
button for that matter...

Like or both ;-)

A less charged term could also be used: Yea/Nay? Pro/Con? Or just Thumbs
Up and Thumbs Down...

Or, as at Reddit: upvote/downvote

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On 26 Oct 2017 at 11:51, J_Catlady wrote:

Can someone name some platforms (besides the odious, troll-ridden
craigslist forums) that have an unlike as well as a like button? Facebook
got rid of it a long time ago. The news outlets don't have it. Where does
this feature exist, currently??

I don't know where they all are, but many news sites have it. ABC News,
San Jose Mercury News, and the Las Vegas Sun are examples. Disqus is
widely used by newpapers and allows downvoting.

Reddit, StackExchange, Imgur are examples of huge discussion platforms
that allow downvoting.

My users don't use the Like button much, but since we have it, I'd like to
see a Dislike or Unlike button as well.

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BTW, notice I Liked your last post.
Possibly it is operating in the black. But I'll wager he doesn't include his labor, not to mention a wage commensurate with the level of his capabilities and responsibility has has assumed.

I totally agree with you and Ginny's proposal.? I am not rich nor is our nonprofit loaded with cash.? We consider our group a necessary outreach and, as I told Mark, we would be willing to pay the original $30 per month for premium membership.

I would agree to pay more on an incremental agreement for more storage as needed that would downsize if we reduced our requirements by offloading some stuff.

BTW, I don't think you can have a domain and website less than $10 per month

Finally, if members really value a group they would pony up.? At least some would.
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