There is no unlike button in many media for the simple reason that it can get nasty. I would not want an unlike button in groups.io.

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On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:37 PM, Drew AF2Z <pubx1@...> wrote:

Actually, it would be quite useful to have an unlike button. Why only a thumbs up? There should be a thumbs down also.

Clicking thumbs down would cancel one thumbs up. Every post would be a poll, with the final tally registering a democratic judgement yay or nay. This would be a little more participatory for people who don't want to post a negative comment but would nevertheless like to register an opinion a little stronger than the only current alternative, namely to ignore.

Drew

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Thank you for asking, Shal
If you? think that the pittance Premium and Enterprise groups pay for the services we all receive, you are wrong.
We are Mark's favorite charity? and he works full time for our benefit, as a volunteer
Mark has given us so much for absolutely no charge; more than available anywhere else for our needs.
Yet we insistently yammer that we need and are entitled to more!? more! more!

I WOULD SO TOTALLY UNLIKE THIS ENTIRE CONVERSATION.
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Bob Bellizzi

The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation active i

I brought this up over 2 years ago in beta@ when the Like function was first introduced. There was a lot of discussion, but I don't think a final decision on any changes was ever made. I now find myself using Like to agree with a post instead of a 'me, too' or 'thanks' post being needed, but I'd still like to see alternatives.


Duane

You need to click on the calendar to open the page for adding information. In Month view you click on the date. In Week or Day view, you can click at the top for an all day event or on a specific time for an event to start.

Duane

Unless it was included in the email versions as well it would be pretty
meaningless. Even if it were, most of us who read the emails rarely
bother to look for such things.

Dave

On 25 Oct 2017 at 23:37, Drew AF2Z wrote:

Actually, it would be quite useful to have an unlike button. Why only a
thumbs up? There should be a thumbs down also.

Clicking thumbs down would cancel one thumbs up. Every post would be a
poll, with the final tally registering a democratic judgement yay or
nay. This would be a little more participatory for people who don't want
to post a negative comment but would nevertheless like to register an
opinion a little stronger than the only current alternative, namely to
ignore.

Drew

Actually, it would be quite useful to have an unlike button. Why only a thumbs up? There should be a thumbs down also.

Clicking thumbs down would cancel one thumbs up. Every post would be a poll, with the final tally registering a democratic judgement yay or nay. This would be a little more participatory for people who don't want to post a negative comment but would nevertheless like to register an opinion a little stronger than the only current alternative, namely to ignore.

Drew


In another topic, On 10/25/17 20:55, Shal Farley wrote:

Well, now I'm curious - what would you unlike?
Shal

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Bob,

I truly wish there was an unlike button on groups.io for
conversations.

Well, now I'm curious - what would you unlike?

Shal

Thanks for the encouragement, Shal - I just posted to beta...
Ginny

I did tell Mark that no good deed goes unpunished when he lowered the price to $10 per month for the Premium level
and sad to say that seems to be true.

I truly wish there was an unlike button on groups.io for conversations.
Bob Bellizzi

The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation

Ginny,

I was actually going to get in touch with Mark to ask him if he would
consider offering a simple Basic group to "buy in" for more storage
(on an annual basis) as an option.

Go ahead, beta@ is the official place for suggestions.

I also sort of hate to complain, because of all of the great things
Groups.io does offer without charge.

I don't think Mark would take it as a complaint, unless you phrase it as one. He might even be gratified to know that people are willing to pay for such an option.

I also think that there are a lot of other Basic groups that would
appreciate this.

Agreed. I think you'll get a lot of support (including mine).

Shal

Cathy,

Hi. How do I add events to the calender so that they go to group on
days specified

To create a new event just click in the calendar. If you're looking at it in Month the event will be "all day" by default. Otherwise the event will default to the time you clicked on. In the Event page that opens you can adjust the date, time, and various features of the event.

On that page where you create/edit the event, check the box "Send Notice To Group When Event Happens". I think it is checked by default. That will post a message to the group at the date & time of the event (Midnight the night before, if it is an all-day event).

If you want to give members advance warning of the event click the Add Reminder button. There you can schedule reminders that will post in advance of the event.

Shal

Hi. How do I add events to the calender so that they go to group on days specified

I was actually going to get in touch with Mark to ask him if he would consider offering a simple Basic group to? "buy in" for more storage (on an annual basis) as an option. My groups don't need the additional services and support that the Premium level brings, but having some additional storage would be wonderful.
I do utilize the automatic resizing of photos and so forth, and it seems to be working for us for now - but, I did archive off a lot of photos to DropBox before I moved my groups. The archive file links are in a database directory in the groups.

I also sort of hate to complain, because of all of the great things Groups.io does offer without charge. That being said, while we can't afford the charges for Premium, a smaller annual fee for additional storage would likely be doable. I also think that there are a lot of other Basic groups that would appreciate this.
Ginny

It is working as expected today. Must have been a temporary glitch.

Drew

JMichaelTX,

I could go for $10/year for 100 GB of storage. Any ideas how the
groups.io management would feel about that?

I've never broached the subject. Hard to guess, but among the downsides would be increasing complexity in his pricing tiers. I'd like to see it as an à la carte add-on, where one could buy as many extra storage increments as one wants, on top of the base plan.

And, of course, it would have to be priced to break-even or profit - which would require some analysis to work out.

I'm not sure I understand the Amazon pricing,

Me either.

but the Free Tier looks like it includes somewhere between 5 GB - 65
GB. I'm fuzzy on what is total storage vs monthly bandwidth. IAC, it
looks very good!

Groups.io couldn't use the free tier, they'd have to pay for it (as they already do for file and photo storage).

The trick would be to work out the "total cost of ownership" for the extra storage, which would have to include the storage itself, any overhead costs for management and backup, and some reserve for an essentially unpredictable amount of increased bandwidth charges for uploads and downloads.

Shal

Duane,

Pure conjecture on my part, but I'm wondering if Mark isn't trying to
minimize storage for the site and get folks to use other services for
things that take a lot of space?

I'd be happy to see some integration with sites like Flickr to hold photo content as an extension to the group's Photos section.

That is, Flickr allows even private photos to be shared with selected people through a "Guest Pass" URL. If in the photo upload process I could provide such an URL (rather than navigating to a photo on my computer) then Groups.io could reference the photo file from Flickr rather than consume group storage for it. Likewise for sharing whole albums from Flickr.

I think I've suggested this in the past in beta@, but maybe I should mention it again in the context of this thread.

Shal

Drew,

I'm having a problem sorting our database by clicking on the column
titles. The only one that works as expected is the ID column.

I haven't tested it, but that's the kind of bug to report to support.

Shal

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One suggestion I'd like to make is after a short time, depending on the amount of photos, is to move them to a free storage web site where they could be downloaded and removed from groups.io . . . some will retain them for as little as a week to a year or even forever. Some will also charge at various prices. After downloading & removing them (saving on owner/moderator local hard drives) upload and post the download link. Members then can download photos (or files) as needed, and as often as required.

An option would be to charge a small donation or fee for any group costs to get the link, photos could be grouped by subject, months or years or whatever. This may require extra work for some but it would solve the problem of adding expense to groups.io to increase cost for storage space or smaller groups to upgrade to paid because of limited space.

I've shared Old Time Radio, old music or videos using web sites with files up to 2gb for years . . . for free!

ncatt

example
I uploaded an Abbott & Costello (OTR) for some to try, both are the same mp3
The 1st is packaged, the second is a single file


These are only available for 7 days to try (just click or paste into address bar)

JMichaelTX,

> While the groups.io service is a good one, IMO the storage limits are
> way too low, and the pricing way too high.
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>
> Anyone else have this view?

I do.

I ran into a problem moving one of my classmate groups from Yahoo to Groups.io - we had over 4 GB of photo data. Well within Yahoo's 100 GB limit, but too much for the 1 GB limit in a Groups.io free group.

The problem was resolved by rescaling the photos to a lower resolution (one particular folder was full of camera originals an 5000x4000 and 4096x3072 pixels). Still, I would rather not have had to do that.

I'd happily pay something more like $10/year for a boost that matches (even a reasonable markup on) Amazon EC2 storage pricing. But the Premium plan pricing is twelve times that, for a capacity that is little more than double what I wanted to import.

I haven't gotten around to writing that as a proposal on beta@, but IIRC others had run into the storage limits as well.

Shal

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On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 04:09 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

I'd happily pay something more like $10/year for a boost that matches (even a reasonable markup on) Amazon EC2 storage pricing.

I'm not sure I understand the Amazon pricing, but the Free Tier looks like it includes somewhere between 5 GB - 65 GB.? I'm fuzzy on what is total storage vs monthly bandwidth.? IAC, it looks very good!? If anyone can clarify, please do.

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