This may only work for some limited time. I'm not sure what that time frame may be. We often get posts with the exact same title a week or two apart and they (correctly) start a new thread. You might try responding to the email from your deleted thread after several days to see if it still rejects the message. This could happen since a new topic/post will have a different ID than the original.

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For anyone interested, I found a way to both delete a thread/topic and also lock it. Normally, if you delete a thread, or any message contained in it, prior locking will fail if someone still responds to the corresponding email message, since groups.io can't connect the email to the non-existent thread or message and know that it's supposed to be locked. And of course, you can't lock a deleted thread since it is no longer there. So here's what you can do:

1. delete the topic
2. start a new topic with the *exact same title* as the deleted thread, and write "this thread has been deleted" (or words to that effect) in the message body.
3. lock the new topic

I tested this out on the theory that since groups.io now does threading by title matching, a new thread with the same title would make groups.io think it was the same as the old one, and it worked. Any replies to emails from the old (deleted) thread will still bounce, with reason "this topic has been locked by the moderators and can no longer be posted to."

FWIW.

J

Kevin,

I found that Yahoo has an old legacy blocking filter. Somehow an
address got onto that list and then all messages from said address
were being accepted (thus no bounce) but not being received and not
appearing in either the spam or trash folders. They just simply
disappeared into the ether until the address was removed from
blocking filter!

That could be a problem with other email services as well. Some have a "block" or "blacklist" feature that is separate from either the spam filtering or the normal user filters.

When you say "legacy" do you mean that you had to find it in an unusual place in the user interface, somewhere a user wouldn't ordinarily look for filters or spam controls? My ISP email has one like that, a block list that predates the rollout of their current webmail interface (and a content-based spam filter). You have to go to a legacy configuration page to see it, it isn't in the webmail options page.

Shal

For anyone interested, I found a way to both delete a thread/topic and also lock it. Normally, if you delete a thread, or any message contained in it, prior locking will fail if someone still responds to the corresponding email message, since groups.io can't connect the email to the non-existent thread or message and know that it's supposed to be locked. And of course, you can't lock a deleted thread since it is no longer there.?So here's what you can do:

1. delete the topic
2. start a new topic with the *exact same title* as the deleted thread, and write "this thread has been deleted" (or words to that effect) in the message body.
3. lock the new topic

I tested this out on the theory that since groups.io now does threading by title matching, a new thread with the same title would make groups.io think it was the same as the old one, and it worked. Any replies to emails from the old (deleted) thread will still bounce, with reason "this topic has been locked by the moderators and can no longer be posted to."

FWIW.

J

In an unrelated incident... I found that Yahoo has an old legacy blocking filter. Somehow an address got onto that list and then all messages from said address were being accepted (thus no bounce) but not being received and not appearing in either the spam or trash folders. They just simply disappeared into the ether until the address was removed from blocking filter!?

Kevin,

I understand the facebook integration has been down for a while. Is
there any progress on getting that working again?

I haven't heard anything since a January thread in beta@, which perhaps you found:


That thread is moderated but not locked, you could try seconding Jeffrey's request for an update.

Shal

I'm a relatively new group user... I understand the facebook integration has been down for a while. Is there any progress on getting that working again??

I didn't realize you were going to impose restrictions and stipulations after the fact. It appears that if someone makes a statement that you don't agree with, you feel that it's okay to add variables to make sure it can't be used as justification. I've lived here for over 54 years and know what is acceptable in this area.

I believe that your absolute is relative to your understanding and interpretation of the situation. Very few things are really 'simple'. While attempting to find a true absolute, I discovered that even the AVMA(!) and FDA issue 'reminders' that should more properly be called cautions, warnings, or advisories.

I have no problem with you disagreeing and/or using some other terms on your group(s). Not all groups are international, or even national. The site doesn't include the word reminder, so if it's included, as I will, it will be an owner/moderator addition. I certainly won't ask or expect Mark to include it as standard.

The Subject that I've settled on is "[Groupname] Scheduled Group Rules & Guidelines Reminder #Guidelines". I've got the hashtag set to delete the topic after one month and replies are moderated.

Duane

On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 10:37 am, Duane wrote:

Central TX. As luck would have it, I heard a commercial on the radio today that said, "We'd like to remind everyone of our..." and it was a place I'd never heard of.

As I've been traveling around the country the last 10 years (since retiring), I've come across several things that may not be technically correct, but are accepted usage in that area.

Well, even if I bought that that usage is common in Central TX (and with all due respect, I don't buy it - first, commercials everywhere, not just there, frequently use ad-speak with meaningless phrases like "we're like to remind you," and second, I don't take radio commercials as a source of good English, where "good" means "communicative," not "technically correct") - even if I bought it, an international platform like groups.io should not rely on idiosyncratic usage from one part of the country.

The word "remind," in common usage, does not refer to something the listener has not heard, or has supposed not to have heard, before. I seldom use absolutes, but that is simply an absolute.

Meanwhile, I think my workaround solves this. I've titled the notice?

Group Guidelines (sent to all new members and monthly to the group)

and prefaced the content body with

These posting and conduct guidelines are sent to all members upon joining, sent to the group monthly, and always available on the home page in the Guidelines tab.

J

On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 04:06 pm, Bob Bellizzi wrote:

The person did not make a complaint.? They said they "found" several complaints

Made a complaint, found and repeated a complaint, whatever. If your aim is to not subject your group to accusations of libel (and I'm still not completely sure what it is - I am a little confused), or just to prevent or delete any sort of disallowed content, the issue is the same: how best to remove the undesirable or disallowed content. I think Shal has suggested removing the edits, etc., which, although somewhat ungainly, would seem to work.

Several years ago we eliminated any ophthalmologists from membership because there was negative feedback and the ophthalmologist complained. ...?If you actually have a medical advisory group I would be most interested in any formal charter or other formal framework they work under.

I'm still confused about what your actual issue is. I thought originally it was the problem of people not starting separate threads, and the renaming or moderating of those threads. Then it morphed(?) into how to remove disallowed or undesirable (for whatever reason) content. If you are asking about my group in particular, we have a bunch of people with cats who have a certain disease, and we have at least one participating board-certified veterinary specialist giving educational advice (not veterinary advice) to people whose vets are not as well-versed in the disease. Our rules state that nobody can mention any vet by name besides vets referred to in their roles as researchers or authors, vets participating in the forum, etc. Here is the verbatim text from our guidelines:

DO NOT POST NAMES OF VETERINARIANS OR VETERINARY CLINICS?Do not mention any veterinarians or veterinary clinics by name, even if your comments are positive or neutral, even just to say that you went there. This includes teaching hospitals and vet schools if you are referencing them as a clinic that you took your cat to. The following exceptions may be referred to by name: (1) vets referred to in their role as authors of published papers or textbooks; (2) vets who participate in this forum; (3) laboratories used for testing and the veterinarians who run them (unless the vet is the owner of the laboratory, in which case neither the lab nor the vet may be mentioned); (4) labwork may be posted without redacting the vet or clinic name, but if a discussion ensues about the vet or clinic following the posting of such labwork, even without using the name, the discussion and/or file will be removed.?

I'm not sure whether that was what you were asking for.?

Have a nice weekend!

J

J,
The person did not make a complaint.? They said they "found" several complaints for the specialists.
The complaint content was not copied and the person wasn't even sure where she found the complaints, nor did she seem to remember the complaints' contents.

Not all of our members are the brightest bulbs in the chandellier.? In fact many ave been "don't do computers/internet" for years and cognition may not be at full speed.
I'm only 86 and worry about what might happen to my cognition when I get old. <g>llllll? (s'truth about the age)? I started this group in 2000 when Ygroups was e-circles, then e-groups, then yahoogroups.

Back to the subject.? When we receive first person complaints we review them and may "un-list" them but they still are on the list in the unlisted section with comments and they do not get displayed in our Files section.

Several years ago we eliminated any ophthalmologists from membership because there was negative feedback and the ophthalmologist complained.
We are considering having a separate Medical Support Group of qualified MDs we trust to work as a second level resource group for answering those questions that I normally email to one or more of the Top Gun Corneal Specialists.The group includes all of our Symposium presenters who are not only top surgeons but also highly qualified Fellowship mentors.

If you actually have a medical advisory group I would be most interested in any formal charter or other formal framework they work under.

Cheers & have a great weekend.? We are about to be off to Happy Hour at a local golf course's restaurant for TGIF.? New place we want to check out.

--
Bob Bellizzi

The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 12:28 pm, J_Catlady wrote:

What part of the U.S. is that?

Central TX. As luck would have it, I heard a commercial on the radio today that said, "We'd like to remind everyone of our..." and it was a place I'd never heard of.

As I've been traveling around the country the last 10 years (since retiring), I've come across several things that may not be technically correct, but are accepted usage in that area. Makes for some interesting things to ponder while driving.

Duane

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 07:28 pm, J_Catlady wrote:

our group (like several of the cats veterinary groups) does not even allow vet names to be mentioned onlist

In fact, this is the reason that long ago, I requested and pushed Mark for the ability to delete edits. I had to argue that failing the ability to delete them, disallowed and perhaps even defamatory content was still accessible.?

J

That's what I thought. It's not working. I'll report it.
J

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I also though it was 14 days. I have to remember now.. S

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 05:33 pm, Bob Bellizzi wrote:

The content had to be removed.

Hopefully you are careful when you do the removal surgery. :-)

FWIW, our group (like several of the cats veterinary groups) does not even allow vet names to be mentioned onlist. There can be a fine line between neutral and defamatory and nobody wants to get sued. Plus, the vets not participating in the forum (some do) are not privy to the content so they can't see what's said about them or defend themselves, and we feel it would not be ethical to allow discussions about them.

J

I misunderstood what J meant.? Sorry
Any surgeon can make an error.? Until we actually see the complaint content and evaluate it it would be unfair to the surgeons.
The content had to be removed.
BTW our T& C state that the owners & moderators are the final aribiters of content and any other decisions.
This is not an opinion forum
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Bob Bellizzi

The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 12:56 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

A side benefit of using edit is that you can later, if the investigation upholds the complaint, delete the edit. That will restore the original content to the archive. Well, actually the original content will have remained in the archive, but members would have to click the Edited link to go and look at earlier versions of the message.

This gets tricky because you can't ever delete the most current edit. You would have to do at least one more edit in order to remove the blank one. You might simply copy and paste the original content into one final edit, and then remove all the rest.