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Re: Editing hashtags in past subject lines #howto #moderators

 


Mod's note: subject edited so tags come last
No need to do that.? If there are hashtags in the middle of the subject line, they're reproduced at the end as stand alone with the colored background.? That's so if some titles it "#Howto get a #Hashtag in the subject", the title still makes sense.? It would become "#Howto get a #Hashtag in the subject #Howto #Hashtag".? Shown on the Help Page, /static/help#hashtags-1

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Re: Our old Yahoogroups posts are not grouped by topic

 

On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 09:41 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
We transferred our group's archive from Yahoogroups, and I've noticed that if I browse messages in "topic" view (including using the "Next/Previous Topic" buttons), the transferred messages aren't grouped by topic at all, even if a group of messages have identical subject lines. Is this supposed to have happened?
Messages are exported from Yahoo Groups individually. As they are subsequently added one-by-one to the groups.io message archive, they are threaded according to groups.io's own threading algorithm (see?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Avoiding-threading-topics---threading-algorithm). This involves searching backward into what's already been uploaded for "matching" subject lines over a certain time period. This is a big reason why it takes so long to import a group.

If you read through the provided wiki entry, you'll find that if there is a long gap in time (>30 days) between messages that otherwise share a subject line, a new topic is started instead. This is on the premise that after 30 days they are probably actually talking about something else, and the matching subject lines are just a coincidence.

Is there a way to get Groups.io to reorganise these old posts into groups based on the subject line, so that they are treated as "topics"?
No, and I really don't think you want it to.

Consider a message with the subject line of "Help" (a not-uncommon occurrence in a group like GMF). Over time, multiple posts may be initiated using this subject line, with their corresponding message bodies covering entirely different subject matter. It is neither logical nor desirable to thread them all together.

Hope this helps,
Bruce


Re: How much time does it take to manage a group?

Ken KM4NFQ
 

Thank you for your reply Samuel.

I know that I will not be able to please everyone.
My FREE Group only has 1GB of storage space.
Often, attached images can be several MB is size.
Sometimes images posted in an email are so huge that I have to pan to see them.
THAT is annoying to me. ;-D
There are many other sites that host images.
People can host their images on image sites and post a link in an email, along with a resized image.
Anyone interested in seeing the full 5120x3072 pixel (whatever) image can go to the image site.
My settings are also set to delete old attachments when the 1GB capacity has been reached.
That means that there would be no images at all in early posts, if that happened.
*I* would rather see a resized image than no image all.
Believe me, I have been to sites where the images were no longer there.
That is also very annoying. ;-D
So that is why I am doing it that way.

I have been on a mailing list/forum where spammers slowly took over.
It was probably more of a case where the owner/moderator lost interest in the group?
She stopped checking for spam, and they took over.
The site went away after a short while.
We all lost. There was some good content there that no longer exists.

I am trying to get a co-owner and a moderator for the Group.
But right now, there is nothing to moderate or own.
It is an empty cup.
The emptiness makes it useful. ;-D

And yes, I plan on being a participant.
The main reason I am starting the Group is because I really like the subject.
I want to be able to share it with others.

There is till the time required to monitor/manage the Group to consider.
I guess the only way to learn is to jump in the deep end and start paddling.

Regards,
Ken, KM4NFQ "Not Fully Qualified"



On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 10:18 AM Samuel Murray <samuelmurray@...> wrote:
On 17 Nov 2019 15:35, Ken KM4NFQ wrote:

> So one of the the things I have done is to limit the size of images to
> 480x480 (something like that?).

Personally, I would find that annoying.? But it depends on the group.? I
can't really see any need for resizing any images automatically.

> I have set the New Member approval setting to 3. Why?
> It seems that 3 is a good number to dissuade spammers?
> Yet, someone who is interested in the Group would not mind 3 moderated
> approvals.

It's up to you.? Even 1 may be sufficient, if you're only trying to
combat spam.? The higher the number, the more people will have to wait
to see their messages appear.

> I am still asking myself if monitoring a Group is how I want to spend my
> remaining time on Earth.

Well, "monitoring" is the wrong word here.? What you should be doing is
"moderating", i.e. step in when you are needed, but don't do anything
else (unless you are also going to be a participant).

Samuel




Re: Odd behavior in pending applications list. #bug

 

On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 09:23 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
... As best I can determine, the only way to get your number back in sync is via a message to [email protected].

Bruce
OK. Thanks for the tip, Bruce. That might have been what happened. It's hard to be certain.
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Re: How much time does it take to manage a group?

Ken KM4NFQ
 

Thank you for your reply Frances.

These are the kinds of suggestions and feedback I am looking for.
For one thing, because I am brand new to owning a Group, I really don't understand the repercussions of having an option enabled or disabled.
And when I say I don't understand it, I mean that I am really clueless about what it does or means.

In just about every group that I am a member of, there are people who complain that the volume of emails is too high.
The usual suggestion for them is to choose no email as an option, and to read the topics on the site.
So it seems to me that having the no email option is a good one.

Also, why should I be concerned that the site would be visible to Google?
Many of the questions I have about many different things are answered with a Google search.
And increasingly, many of the search results are from various Forums / mailing lists.
It seems to me that being visible to Google is a good thing?

As you can see, there are many things I do not understand.
I have not had a chance to sit down and really read the Wiki yet.
I have skimmed it, and been overwhelmed with many things that do not make sense to me.
So it may take awhile for me to figure it out.

I really appreciate everyone's feedback. ;-D

Regards,
Ken, KM4NFQ "Not Fully Qualified"



On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 9:44 AM Frances <frances@...> wrote:
Ken,

My only concerns with your settings are:

archives are visible to anyone - you realize that includes Google?
members can set their subscriptions to no email - while some people endorse this, it does mean that you have no way of guaranteeing that you can contact everyone. If you disable "no email", those can be "special notices only" and you as owner can once in a blue moon send a notice EVERYONE gets in their inbox.

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Re: How much time does it take to manage a group?

 

On 17 Nov 2019 15:35, Ken KM4NFQ wrote:

So one of the the things I have done is to limit the size of images to 480x480 (something like that?).
Personally, I would find that annoying. But it depends on the group. I can't really see any need for resizing any images automatically.

I have set the New Member approval setting to 3. Why?
It seems that 3 is a good number to dissuade spammers?
Yet, someone who is interested in the Group would not mind 3 moderated approvals.
It's up to you. Even 1 may be sufficient, if you're only trying to combat spam. The higher the number, the more people will have to wait to see their messages appear.

I am still asking myself if monitoring a Group is how I want to spend my remaining time on Earth.
Well, "monitoring" is the wrong word here. What you should be doing is "moderating", i.e. step in when you are needed, but don't do anything else (unless you are also going to be a participant).

Samuel


Re: Editing hashtags in past subject lines #howto #moderators

 

Mod's note: subject edited so tags come last
It just occurred to me that you should be sure not to delete all the keywords in your subjects when edit or delete hashtags. Otherwise you might make them hard to find.
You can click on the number in the hashtag view and edit there - IF the full subject line ended up as a hashtag.

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Re: premium -- not premium

 

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I had to send two invites to get Transfer to join some Yahoo groups to become subgroups. . The first was over a week ago, the second yesterday.
Transfer joined overnight.

-John

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On 11/17/2019 12:30 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 09:20 PM, Zelda Collett-Paule wrote:
I can¡¯t click on ¡°View Existing Transfer Status¡±. I paid for premium, which the payment is on my VISA statement.? I guess I¡¯ll send another invite.
Zelda -- If you go to the page at?/yahootransfer, and you don't have ANY links showing under the Existing Transfer Status, then you never initiated the transfer.?

See?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/23597?and begin again at Step 2.1. Repeatedly inviting the transfer agent (Step 3) will not accomplish anything until you've completed Step 2.

Regards,
Bruce


Re: Editing hashtags in past subject lines #howto #moderators

 

On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 09:49 AM, Chris Granner wrote:
A fellow member asked if I could remove some goofy hashtags. In digging into this, I found a couple references to "edit the hashtag out of the subject line."?

I am the creator of one such tag, and I can't even edit my own past subject line seemingly -- let alone the others' posts who responded on the thread.
Chris, have you gone to hashtags in the sidebar? You can edit them, change the time duration, etc. Since it is hashtags you are wishing to change, this is easy! You can relabel all with that hashtag.

I find it useful also to find posts.

Frances
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Editing hashtags in past subject lines #howto #moderators

 

Hey all,

A fellow member asked if I could remove some goofy hashtags. In digging into this, I found a couple references to "edit the hashtag out of the subject line."?

I am the creator of one such tag, and I can't even edit my own past subject line seemingly -- let alone the others' posts who responded on the thread.

Any ideas out there?
Thanks in advance!

Best,
-cg
Chris Granner, Co-moderator, KodaiTalkEase

Mod's note: subject edited so tags come last


Re: How much time does it take to manage a group?

 

Ken,

My only concerns with your settings are:

archives are visible to anyone - you realize that includes Google?
members can set their subscriptions to no email - while some people endorse this, it does mean that you have no way of guaranteeing that you can contact everyone. If you disable "no email", those can be "special notices only" and you as owner can once in a blue moon send a notice EVERYONE gets in their inbox.

Frances
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Re: Second group to move

Eric Johnson
 

I have renamed the existing group to it's it's use as the primary group. I clicked on the button and nothing seems to have changed. Before I screw up by trying again, how long should it take for the change to take place?


Our old Yahoogroups posts are not grouped by topic

 

Hello everyone

We transferred our group's archive from Yahoogroups, and I've noticed that if I browse messages in "topic" view (including using the "Next/Previous Topic" buttons), the transferred messages aren't grouped by topic at all, even if a group of messages have identical subject lines. Is this supposed to have happened?

Is there a way to get Groups.io to reorganise these old posts into groups based on the subject line, so that they are treated as "topics"?

Thanks
Samuel


Re: Fw: full headers

 

On 17 Nov 2019 14:35, Jerrie wrote:

lately all messages from groups.io come in this format, all 10 groups or so that I belong to. but none of them show who the sender is in my mailbox, I have to open each one to see who the sender is.
Which e-mail program/system do you use? Can you normally see in your e-mail program who a sender is, without opening the message?

And when you open these messages, do you see the line starting with "-----Original Message-----" in them? If no, do you see the headers directly in the message (as they are displayed here below), or were you just posting the headers here specially for us to see the headers?

Or (sorry for the silly question, but) are you confused by the fact that you are receiving a digest/summary instead of each mail individually?

Samuel


Re: How much time does it take to manage a group?

Ken KM4NFQ
 

Thank you for your replies Jim and Samuel.

I do not have any experience with Yahoo! Groups.
This is the first Group I have started.
I am a member of several groups, so I know about "Flame Wars" and so forth.
The usual response seems to be for a Moderator to step in say "Take it off-list."

My group will be of the Free variety.
So one of the the things I have done is to limit the size of images to 480x480 (something like that?).
And I have checked the option for old attachments to be deleted when the 1G capacity is reached.
I imagine that does that automatically with nothing required for me.

I have set the New Member approval setting to 3. Why?
It seems that 3 is a good number to dissuade spammers?
Yet, someone who is interested in the Group would not mind 3 moderated approvals.
That is how I am thinking about it now.
I will just have to see how much time it requires.

Time is my only possession. I am retired with more time than money.
But my time is ticking away. Time is a finite resource.
I am still asking myself if monitoring a Group is how I want to spend my remaining time on Earth.

There is somewhat of steep learning curve.
Especially for someone who does not have ANY experience AT ALL with Groups.

Assuming that my Group will be low volume:
What would you recommend for Group settings (for small time investment)?
This is what my Group Settings look like right now:
settings.png

Regards,
Ken, KM4NFQ "Not Fully Qualified"



Fw: full headers

Jerrie
 

lately all messages from groups.io come in this format, all 10 groups or so that I belong to. but none of them show who the sender is in my mailbox, I have to open each one to see who the sender is.

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1a. Re: premium -- not premium
From: Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...>
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 21:30:12 PST

On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 09:20 PM, Zelda Collett-Paule wrote:


I can¡¯t click on ¡°View Existing Transfer Status¡±. I paid for premium,
which the payment is on my VISA statement. I guess I¡¯ll send another
invite.
Zelda -- If you go to the page at /yahootransfer , and you don't have ANY links showing under the Existing Transfer Status, then you never initiated the transfer.

See /g/GroupManagersForum/message/23597 and begin again at Step 2.1. Repeatedly inviting the transfer agent (Step 3) will not accomplish anything until you've completed Step 2.

Regards,
Bruce
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Re: Can we move selected archived messages from the main group to a subgroup?

 

I too want that feature. It was available as far back as CompuServe so it can¡¯t be that big a deal, on my opinion. We mods used to constantly move individual messages to the right section. ??
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Susan B

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On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:20 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 06:08 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
1. Is there a way to move (or copy) all archive messages from, say, before 2008 to the Foo subgroup in one quick action?
There's not a tool on the site to do that.? There have been requests and discussions on the beta group to allow moving messages within a group/subgroup setting.? It was in the context of someone posting to the wrong one, but should apply to this situation as well.? I think that if it's implemented, it will be one message or topic at a time, at least initially.

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Re: Second group to move

Eric Johnson
 

I've changed the name of the group from NAIAandNAIATrustMembers to NAIAandNAIATrust. How long before this take effect before I can create the sub and request transfer?
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Eric
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On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 10:59 PM, Eric Johnson wrote:
How do I proceed? I have one group that has been converted. There is another one that has not been converted. Both use a variant of what would be the domain name so it will have to change.
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NAIAandNAIATrustMembers and NAIAandNAIATrustBoard would have a domain of NAIAandNAIATrust with Members and Board being the sub-domains. So, one needs to change its name and then become a sub and the other must start the entire conversion process.
?
Thanks for talking me through this far.
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Eric
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Re: How much time does it take to manage a group?

 

On 16 Nov 2019 23:02, Ken KM4NFQ wrote:

I am just starting to do some research into starting a group and I
would like to solicit some input about how much time it takes to
manage a group on a daily basis?
You will have to spend some time while setting up the group to read through all of the settings, to ensure that you select settings that will protect your group best while at the same time limit your time spent on managing the group.

Also spend some time writing a few member notices and the basic guidelines.

Managing a group at Groups.io is, unfortunately, very complicated (compared to Yahoogroups or Google Groups), so you can potentially end up spending a lot of time on the help forums trying to figure out why something obvious simply doesn't work.

You should try to make at least one or two trusted people moderators of your group so that they can help approve messages or memberships. Unfortunately, at Groups.io, if a membership request or a message is not approved within 2 weeks, it is automatically rejected, so you need to have moderators check the "pending" section at least once a week.

Give your moderators at least these privileges:

If you want them to only approve or reject messages:
- Approve Pending Messages
- View Member List

If you also want them to be able to approve members and/or set troublesome members temporarily to being moderated:
- Approve Pending Members (also allows access to the member list)
- Set Member Subscription Options (also allows access to the member list)

Samuel


Re: fixed width line in footer forces sideways scrolling

 

On 16 Nov 2019 23:39, isis feral via Groups.Io wrote:

Rather than forcing individual users to find workarounds, is this
something that should be reported as a bug to Mark?
I just reported the bug to [email protected]. Unfortunately Groups.io's
bug tracking system does not allow you to see or follow my bug report.

Samuel