On 15 Nov 2019 09:11, Shal Farley wrote:

Samuel wrote:

Perhaps someone here can test this form me: invite me (or a dummy
account) to your group, let me join, then remove me, so that we can
see if I can join again using that same invitation.

I removed a test address from the shalstest group, and then replied again to a year-old invitation sent from that group. Presto.
I'm not sure what's encoded in that From address (of the Invitation), but clearly it could use a timeout of some kind. Maybe the same two weeks as a Pending member.

I would not want the invitation to expire for members who have not yet accepted the invitation -- not everyone uses their e-mail efficiently (or some people use it too efficiently, not dealing with mails that are not immediately relevant at the time, thus letting the message move up (or down) the message list for weeks or months).

The best solution here is that whenever a user accepts an invitation, Groups.io should check whether that user had been a member on a date that is *later* than the date of the invitation, and if so, then the invitation link doesn't work (or: redirects the user to a page where they can apply to join or login).

I'll post the bug.

Samuel

The password is for access to all the groups the user has subscribed to, not just to your group.
Same as Yahoo/Google where the password covers mail and all of the other services on those platforms
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Samuel,

Thanks, but: the image that I had attached to the original mail is the
entire activity log for this user's e-mail address.

Ah, sorry. I missed that there was an attached image on that message.

Perhaps someone here can test this form me: invite me (or a dummy
account) to your group, let me join, then remove me, so that we can
see if I can join again using that same invitation.

Wow. That's quite the loophole. Or feels like it. It feels like one shouldn't have to put on a ban just to guard against the re-use of a stale invitation.

I removed a test address from the shalstest group, and then replied again to a year-old invitation sent from that group. Presto.

I'm not sure what's encoded in that From address (of the Invitation), but clearly it could use a timeout of some kind. Maybe the same two weeks as a Pending member.

I suggest sending your screen shot (unredacted) to [email protected] along with the confirmation that an old invitation can be re-used a year or more later, even after removing the member.

Shal


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b&p,

... but have been overwhelmed with messages - about 125 a day, ...

In addition to the option to go to Digest or Summary for now, I'll also recommend having a look on your Subscription page for GMF, in the Advanced Preferences section (an expander).

Selecting "Following Only", "First Message Also", and "Auto Follow Replies" together gives you a good way to keep up with the Topics that are being discussed, without being buried under all the replies to the topics.

If you find a given Topic to be of interest, click the "Follow Topic" link that will be in the footer of the message. Then you will receive all the replies to that Topic.

Of course, this works best when other members choose good Subject lines for their new topics. ("Help" being the canonical example of a bad Subject line - it doesn't tell anyone anything about what you need help with). It also works best when topics don't drift off-topic.

Neither of those ideals are fully realized (at least, not in any help group I've ever been in), but setting a good example always helps - my thanks to those that do.

So there's another approach to managing GMF's current tendency to flood your inbox. Or any other busy group.

Shal


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Pat,

They do not show up later, and they are not shown as bouncing.

In my opinion if they aren't being delivered (to either Inbox or Spam) and they are also not being rejected (bounced), then you have a cause of action against your email service. It is not in the least bit acceptable for them to simply drop your messages into a black hole.

But before making any rash allegations I'd have another look at the Email Delivery History tab of your Subscription page in an affected group (logged in with the affected address).

If The Most Recent Successful Delivery section reflects a recent message in the group, and you don't see it in your Inbox or Spam, then that's evidence that your email service accepted the message from Groups.io and then lost it. Or maybe evidence that you have a rogue filter in your email interface or some other issue with your setup (using POP from more than one client, without "leave on server" for example).

If that most recent success is not the most recent in your group, and you do have that one in your interface, then I would suspect a Message Selection setting other than "All Messages" in the Advanced section of your subscription. Or maybe you have Muted one or more topics or hashtags.

If there's an entry in the Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt section that represents a message which was deferred (temporarily rejected) by your email service. That's evidence of greylisting. But such messages typically are delivered after some delay for retries.


Hope something in there strikes a chord with your observations.

Shal


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On 15 Nov 2019 06:37, Shal Farley wrote:

Samuel wrote:

But this member manages to join the group without having to be
approved.

What's going on here?

Your group's Activity log should contain the evidence to resolve this mystery.

Thanks, but: the image that I had attached to the original mail is the entire activity log for this user's e-mail address. This is how I could see that the member is joining by accepting an invitation, and the only invitation that I sent, was the very first one, and (according to my testing) the invitation link doesn't/shouldn't work a second time.

Perhaps someone here can test this form me: invite me (or a dummy account) to your group, let me join, then remove me, so that we can see if I can join again using that same invitation.

Samuel

On 15 Nov 2019 05:02, isis feral via Groups.Io wrote:

We know that this happens with large photos pasted into the text, but
the line that separates the Groups.io footer from the rest of the
text, also causes this problem when she reads it in her webmail.

The line you're referring to is a simple <hr> HTML tag, and it doesn't
have a fixed width set, so it should simply stretch to fill the width of
the canvas.

If you see text rolling off the right side of the screen and you see
that line doing the same, the reason the line is doing that is not
because the line is so long but because the room in which the line can
expand in, is so wide. There must be another reason why the space in
which the message is displayed, is wider than the screen.

I'm getting complaints from a member who is unable to read list
mail, because the messages are too wide to fit on her 19 inch
computer screen. The text spills over the side, so she's forced to
scroll sideways to read it, and as a result she rarely does.

Does this happen only with Groups.io mails, or does it happen with other mails as well?

I see you mention "webmail" -- does that mean that her e-mail "program" is the webmail system? If so, which webmail system does she use? If not, what is her e-mail program and operating system?

Samuel

Chuck,

I think it would be a nice feature if there were to be a badge in the
header, or some other indication on each screen as to whether or not
it was only for Owners, or Moderators eyes or was capable of being
viewed by regular Members.

Generally speaking, if it is in the Admin section of the left column then it is available only to Owners and Mods; otherwise it is available to Members (and possibly non-members).

Note that many pages hold different content depending on your Role in the group, or whether you are a member or not. The Directory is a notorious example.

For example, Home pages are generally viewable by the public. However the Top Hashtags and Message History sections may be restricted to Members, depending on the group's Visibility setting.

Likewise, the group's Members list can be made available to members to view, but in that case a member will see fewer columns than a mod or owner and can't take any actions.

I generally use the tried-and-true method of having two subscriptions in the group, one my mod or owner subscription, and another as a member. When I want to see what a member sees I fire up an alternate browser and use that to log in using the member account.

Shal


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Thanks for the quick turnaround Bruce! Yeah, I finally realized this just a while ago myself. As I suspected, it was right under my nose. :)? Tips like this it might be nice to be given some focus in the Transfer FAQ, for Groups.io noobs like me.

Thx again, Bruce!

-Matt.Wirkkala (mwirkk)

Thank you both Ramadoss and Duane.? Greatly appreciated.

Now that I have successfully purchased (as a result of your help), I can describe where the break down was happening

• My assistant was the admin, not me.? (I'll have him make me an asst. admin 'owner' I assume)
• So I did not see the Admin button of course - but was not looking for it either.

All is good.

Side note - The group I'm pulling into here is

The sad irony is ... I'm actually helping a friend (Vietnam Vet.) who has gone blind, and called on me to save his group from Yahoo.
It is a very niche group of people that have?Philips Tri-One enlargers (Camera related).

P.S.? perhaps it would be cool for the architect of this site to allow others to 'donate' premium accounts and the like to groups.? My #1 rule of business is 'Never make it difficult to take someone's money.'

Samuel,

But this member manages to join the group without having to be
approved.

What's going on here?

Your group's Activity log should contain the evidence to resolve this mystery.

Shal


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JAL| I tried to upgrade my group and my
| debit card was rejected, how am I
| supposed to transfer my group if you
| refuse my payment?


You understand there are no employees
or representatives of Groups.io here,
right?

We are just a community where we try
to help each other.


[ ] Rubens






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Eric,

It would make sense the use NAIAandNAIATrust as the domain (I think it
would be called) and then use Members and Board as the two sub-groups.

Yes, except that Members may as well be the name of the primary group, replacing the default of "main", as Bruce suggested. That is assuming that all board members are also members of the organization.

That's what I do with my PTA group.
The primary is Members@ unitname.groups.io
while the board is Board@ unitname.groups.io (subgroup)

We also have other subgroups, such as teachers@, and staff@, as well as temporary subgroups sometimes for volunteers organizing an event.

My only other comment is that "NAIAandNAIATrust" seems a bit awkward, even if accurate. I'd be really tempted to shorten it to one or the other, if that wouldn't be completely incorrect.

For example, if NAIATrust is in some sense a subset of NAIA (at least as far as participation is concerned) then you might have:
Members@ NAIA.groups.io (primary)
Trust@ NAIA.groups.io (subgroup)
Board@ NAIA.groups.io (subgroup)

Shal


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I don’t have much experience with the groups.io photos section yet, but I don’t see a way to directly move photos from a main group to a subgroup. It also appears that there’s no good way for a member to download multiple photos at once. However, as owner, you can do an export of just the photos section of your main group. Go to Admin->Settings and choose the Export Group Data tab. You can choose to get an export of all the photos. Groups.io will email you a link to a zip file containint all the photos.

The file extensions (.jpg, .png, etc.) seem to have been lost in my test. I don’t know if that was a Yahoo “feature” or some sort of data lost in the transfer process. You might need to add the file extensions back on after you receive the export zip file. Arrange all the photos as you wish, and then you can
upload multiple photos into new Albums that you create in your subgroup’s photo area.

Let us know how it goes.

Gilbert

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Odd.

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Yes. I paid $220 for a group upgrade using a pre-paid VISA card in late October w/o problems.

-John

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Several people have queried using a debit card. But no one reported back.

Anyone with experience about using a debit card to pay for the upgrade to Premium?

Frances
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