On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 09:55 AM, Susan B wrote:

Shal
I got that same message saying no data available from yahoo and wondered if it’s because my email address for groups i joined is different from my yahoo accoint email address. What do you think?

Susan B
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Susan,

In order to download your groups' data, you must be logged into Yahoo using the Yahoo account that can see all of your Yahoo groups. It doesn't matter which email addresses you have defined for the individual group "Identity".

However, I suspect you also must have gone through the "Oath" acceptance.


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On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 08:35 AM, Joe WB9SBD wrote:

Wasn't the deadline to get all that stuff the 28th?

No, that's when YG quit adding things to the storage.? All items should be available for download until December 14.

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Wasn't the deadline to get all that stuff the 28th?

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 09:17 AM, Nancy Goldman wrote:

So only those members that were invited to the subgroup could access it? ?Trying to use the subgroup for board files that should not be accessible by general membership.

Correct.

My only suggestion - name your subgroup so it is obvious which is which. Then no Board member will post on the wrong one. See this wiki page about naming and aliases. And online, give each page a distinctive cover photo.?
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Subgroups

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So only those members that were invited to the subgroup could access it? ?Trying to use the subgroup for board files that should not be accessible by general membership.

Shal
I got that same message saying no data available from yahoo and wondered if it’s because my email address for groups i joined is different from my yahoo accoint email address. What do you think?

Susan B

On Oct 26 I wrote:

The banner on yahooGroups pages links to


There I clicked "How can I keep my Yahoo Groups content?", got:
"Photos and files can be saved right from the Yahoo Groups site,
or you can download your data from the Privacy Dashboard"


On October 16 I clicked "Visit the Privacy Dashboard page", yahoo!, Groups,
the three blue dots to the right near the top,
the link to , "Email the code",
entered the code, Download.

Today (Oct 26) I got an email and downloaded a 1.4 GB file.
It contained Messages and Files from all groups I'm a member of, but no Photos.
Not only my messages, but all messages, including full email addresses,
in mbox format. Incliding GMF (76 MB zipped), YGOG, LH.
And all Files and Links.

On Oct 26 I deleted the downloaded file from yahooGroups website
and requested the download again. On Nov 2 the second download was ready.
This time it contained photos uploaded only by me
but messages (with full email addresses) and Files from all members
for all groups where I'm a member (not only where I'm moderator or owner).

I wrote a program to import messages downloaded from yahooGroups this way
into a .io group or subgroup via email.
Import is slow because soon groups.io says:

500 We have received more than 40 messages in 30 minutes from you. To guard
against autoresponder mail loops, we must reject additional messages from you
temporarily. Please try again later.

Here "you" means email address in "From" of message to import.
After the backlog of importing "easy group transfer" clears in December,
users of my program can petition Mark to exempt from this check
if "HELO import.messages.from.yahoogroups"
(it's how my program identifies itself to groups.io).

You can download this my program from


Instructions are in the beginning of the program,
here I copy them:

# Import yahooGroup messages downloaded from Privacy Dashboard
# into groups.io via email direct-to-MX.
# Your IP-address must have RDNS; your ISP must not block port 25.
# How to check RDNS: on there must be something after
# "Host name:", or else groups.io refuses mail directly from your computer.
# In such case you can run this program on a web-hosting,
# invoking it with a web-browser.

# This program can be used under Windows, MacOSX, Linux, FreeBSD etc.:
# 1. Unzip the download from Privacy Dashboard
#
# (only the file messages.zip is used).
# 2. Create a directory (folder), if under Windows then C:\perl
# Everything will be in that directory.
# 3. (only Windows) download to that directory and unzip:
# (32bit)
# or (64bit)
# 4. Unzip the ioimport.zip file with this program
# and the messages.zip file (containing one or more files) into same directory.
# 5. Subscribe a new email address to the .io group, in Members set its
# display name to single dot. Messages from currently non-members
# and moderated members will be imported with that email address in "From:",
# original email address inserted into the top of message body.
# 6. From your group on groups.io website in Admin - Members right-click the
# Download button, save memberlist.csv into the same directory;
# 7. in Admin - Settings, Moderated must not be checked;
# 8. in Hashtags press Create Hashtag, enter #mi , check No Email
# and press Create Hashtag ("mi" means "message import").
# 9. Run this program (if under Windows then run portableshell.bat in that
# directory, type
# perl ioimport.pl
# and press Enter), it creates needchange.txt file with email addresses
# from the messages to import which are currently not subscribed
# to the .io group, or moderated, or have another problematic status.
# 10. You can optionally create (in the same directory) map.txt file,
# each line with two email addresses (separated with blanks, tabs or commas):
# email address in yahooGroup archive (from needchange.txt)
# and email address of the same person currently subscribed to the .io group.
# 11. Run the program again, look again into needchange.txt file.
# You can add to map.txt and run this program again several times.
# 12. In the same directory create file fromto.txt with one line with
# two email addresses: the email address you created and subscribed
# and email address of the .io group or subgroup.
# 13. Optionally run the program again, it sends an email to +help
# in order to check that it can email to groups.io directly from your computer
# (that your ISP doesn't block port 25 and your IP-address has RDNS).
# The mailbox you subscribed should receive an email with Subject beginning
# from "Automated help for the".
# 14. In the same directory create goahead.txt file (with empty content
# or any content).
# 15. Run this program again, import begins. If it fails, you can run
# this program again as many times as needed, it'll skip already imported
# messages and resume from the failed message.
# 16. Delete the fromto.txt file
# and the files with .mbox. in their names extracted from messages.zip
# (they would be wrong if you want to import messages from another yahooGroup).
# 17. On groups.io website in Hashtags under #mi press Edit, Delete, Yes.

# version 1 November 2019 Lena @ lena.kiev.ua BSD license
# Perl 5 (any version)

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On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 06:10 AM, Dave Bird wrote:

What is this 'Easy Group Transfer'?

Dave -- For details on this, just click the link, found at the very bottom of every page here in groups.io (may not be visible on your mobile device).

Bruce

On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 09:20 PM, Bob Miller wrote:

And the latest bounces started at 5:36PM and it says “Email to “ is bouncing via the system. However, no emails have been sent since yesterday.?

I’m a little puzzled. Anyone have some guidance?

Bob -- As Shal implied, bouncing is an account status, not a subscription status.?As a group owner, you cannot view bounce reports for messages originating from other groups, but the subscriber himself can get a full account of all his bounced messages at?/account?page=bounces

Please note that bouncing status can also be affected by the failed delivery of notifications, confirmation emails and so on, not just group posts. More details on this than you probably ever wanted to know can be found at?/static/help#bouncing

Regards,
Bruce

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 05:50 AM, Dave Bird wrote:

The 'old' Yahoo groups had a links section where one could keep interesting links to external sites, or also preserve links to particular messages.

Is there some way to do this functionality with the groups.io?

Dave -- Yes. If you do an Easy Group Transfer from Yahoo Groups, the links section of your old group is preserved here as a Database table. However, some people prefer to put this kind of info in their wiki instead. Or you could put that info in a message and pin it to the top of your Messages display, or on your home page.

Generally, you can put it anywhere in GIO that supports hyperlinks.

Hope this helps,
Bruce

The 'old' Yahoo groups had a links section where one could keep interesting links to external sites, or also preserve links to particular messages.

Is there some way to do this functionality with the groups.io?

Dave

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On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 09:20 PM, Bob Miller wrote:

Once we started sending messages, I noticed about 6 or 7 members were bouncing. That has been the case pretty much every day for those 6 or 7 members ?until today. This evening I now have 97 bouncing members and almost all of them have??addresses.?

Bob -- Several months ago, Yahoo began deleting "inactive" email accounts (those that haven't been used to SEND mail for some time).?

See?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/18246?for details on how such an account will look when you check its bounce report.

Losing 25-30% of your members to bouncing and unsubscribing and things like that is pretty normal, and a transfer to groups.io is a good way to purge all the deadwood.?While many group owners are proud of their numbers, I'd rather have a dozen people who actually bother to contribute than 1000 lurkers.?

Regards,
Bruce

On 11/4/2019 9:56 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:

FWIW, they used to have a 14-day trial, but now they have a 1000-message trial.? AFAIK there's no limit on downloading files.

The trial version of today states:

PG Offline 4.0.902
10:05:22 AM Limit for messages download: 1000
10:05:22 AM Limit for members download: 100

The location of files is independent of the location of the database. I created a database on my F: drive, but the files were downloaded to C:\Users\MyName\AppData\Local\PG Offline 4\Files\GroupName, so make sure you have enough space on C:\.

Samuel

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 05:11 AM, David Riecks wrote:

...got the notification email on?Saturday, November 2 that the migration was completed.?

However, out of a list of 1374 members, I see in my "statistics" that "282 email addresses were not added because they were bouncing."

(I would have quoted other parts but don't want to "overquote".)

I suspect that your experience is not untypical; we had a similar experience when we migrated nearly 2 years ago. As well as accumulating "bouncers" we had quite a number who baled out shortly after the move and more than a few who "were removed for marking a message as spam". I suspect that you still have that joy to come, so if you get the chance please have a read here. (From the GMF wiki)

Over time group members lose interest and perhaps put themselves on No Email, but never quite get around to leaving "just in case" and the migration to Groups.io serves as a trigger to finally step down. Some, unfortunately, pass away but their addresses remain listed and sooner or late start bouncing. Some change email addresses at some point and forget to implement that change in long - forgotten groups.

Although it can be tedious it may be worth checking each bouncing member's entries in the Activity Log; it would not surprise me in the least to hear that many of the bouncers / leavers have little or no activity, or at least no recent activity.

FWIW at the time of writing "my" group of 2215 members has 182 listed as bouncing; every now and then I have a purge and delete them completely, usually after checking the log as outlined above. The number will then slowly creep up again.

In short I don't think your experience is in any way unusual. IMHO there is no point in having an impressive number of members if a "significant" proportion of them are inactive or moribund... or no longer with us.

Chris