Re: New group not functioning

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On 26/10/2019 11:33, Frances wrote:

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 11:26 AM, Orest Skrypuch wrote:

Are they a 9-5 M-F kind of thing?
I think more like 9-9-9!

Hmm.

Would it help if someone else joined your group? Sent a message or two to your group to see what is happening??
If you are moderating messages, you could make sure it had Test in the subject line.

In trying to post a message to the group, once the message is sent, nothing happens. There is no bounced message back. There is no acknowledgement on the site. There is no echo of that message to the group. it just disappears as if it had never been sent.

I have sent several test messages. They are just gone. I scoured the various settings, to see if something was turned "OFF", but it doesn't seem so. A little frustrating!

The odd thing, is that the group was all working fine before the auto-transfer from YG. I posted a bunch of test messages, and they were all sent out fine.

I'll try adding another member, to see if that wakes up the software, or see if I can actually do that.

* Orest

Re: message from Owner but with personal name

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Frances,

I understand what you are saying. But sometimes owners and moderators want to send a common message which should not appear as sent by this one single person.

Therefore I was quite happy to see there is a possiblity to send from the owner-address, and then disappointed to realize it doesn?t work properly. The owner-address doesn?t even show up as sender. Only in the mail it shows.

As I understand this issue was brought up before; but I also wouldn?t bring this up again in beta, at least not right now. Mark is too busy getting all these transfers regulated in time.

Victoria

P.S.

Frances, you really did a good deed writing this transfer instruction manual!

Re: message from Owner but with personal name

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On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 11:57 AM, Chris Jones wrote:

I only need to post as Group Owner when there is? "Group Management" matter to raise, and I think it is valid to expect that posts from a group owner should be easily distinguishable? from run-of-the-mill chatter, which is why I raised the issue 18 months ago.

A Group_Management hashtag can help, but that is much less obvious in an email delivery than it is on the web UI.

Apologies! You are right.?

Frances
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Re: message from Owner but with personal name

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On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 04:43 PM, Frances wrote:

Just don't send messages from your owner email address!

Victoria is not doing that anyway; look at the screenshots; she composed "Test" using the web UI with her "owner" address selected, but when it was eventually posted it just appeared as being from Victoria with the white cat displayed. No sign that it was a Group Owner message whatsoever. (FWIW her subscribers will see it as having come from the Group Owner address, but only if they look for it.)

I only need to post as Group Owner when there is? "Group Management" matter to raise, and I think it is valid to expect that posts from a group owner should be easily distinguishable? from run-of-the-mill chatter, which is why I raised the issue 18 months ago.

A Group_Management hashtag can help, but that is much less obvious in an email delivery than it is on the web UI.

Chris

Re: sticky messages only in the topic secction?

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On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 11:53 AM, Victoria wrote:

In the topic section they stay on top of all. In the messages section they don?t although they don?t lose their importance and should be noticed there too.

Many people like to read messages as they come in and have the group?s functions set correspondently.

Victoria

Agreed. That would be a useful improvement. Both are standalone messages - both are currently locked so no new messages can accumulate.
Something to request on Beta when things quiet down?

Frances
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sticky messages only in the topic secction?

#20845

There some very important messages made sticky:

locked sticky FAQ on transferring from YahooGroups #howtoguide #transfer

FAQ on Moving from Yahoo Groups Overview with links for more information. /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/FAQ-on-Moving-from-Yahoo-Groups Frances -- FAQ on Moving from YahooGroups GMF Wiki: (unofficial) Help for members (and would-be members) and group managers

By Frances · Oct 24

And this one:
locked sticky A group for SERIOUS group owners

This GroupManagersForum is founded in the tradition of the GroupManagersForum ( https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/GroupManagersForum/conversations/messages/2 ) on Yahoo! Groups. Attachments are allowed and the judicious use of screen shots and other illustrations is encouraged. To prevent malicious attachments, avoid spam, off-topic...

By Shal Farley · 06.10.2014

In the topic section they stay on top of all. In the messages section they don?t although they don?t lose their importance and should be noticed there too.

Many people like to read messages as they come in and have the group?s functions set correspondently.

Victoria

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Re: Messages by Owner

Jan Smith

#20844

Thank you Su.? I am new to this and just couldn't find what you are describing, but I did go in and Edit the 2 message I want at the top, and then I could choose "sticky."??

Jan

Re: yG Privacy Dashboard download #yahooprivacydashboard #ioimportpl

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Did you check boxes for things that you never used, like news, for instance? There were really very few things out of the long list you see that I wanted. I noticed I got a separate reply from Yahoo for each box I checked. If I had checked any box where I had no data I would expect to get a reply saying that there was no data to download.

Susan B

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On Oct 26, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Tom H <ve3meo@...> wrote:

But when I logged in and got to the download page:

Your Yahoo Groups data

Your download request has been completed, but no data of this type is available in your account.

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Re: message from Owner but with personal name

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Just don't send messages from your owner email address! I own quite a few groups. Don't think I have ever sent from there. I have received from there but its about problems or queries about the group, not the topic.

Email from the group+owner's email address doesn't appear on your group.

Use your proper login email address -?
If you don't know which is your email address - your group ID - look at the bottom of any email from Groups.io
For more info, see the wiki -?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/home

Frances

Re: Is there a uitlity/test/browse/practice group?

#20841

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 10:50 AM, Chris Jones wrote:

Although I am not in any sense an "owner" of this group I would say 1000 times NO to it being used as any sort of test - bed for new users of Groups.io.

I'm inclined to agree with Chris here. GMF is a technical support forum and we really do need to focus on the needs of group Owners, especially now.

That said, I would have no objection to people using my new IHateYahooGroups group as a "playground" if they promise to remain somewhat on-topic with their posts. The whole concept of that group was transitional (and whimsical) from the get-go, and I plan to delete it sometime around the end of the December anyway.?

Regards,
Bruce

Re: message from Owner but with personal name

#20840

Hi, Chris and Duane,
no, there is no signature. I choose the owner address:

Then I click "Send"
And this i what appears:

There isn?t even a hint that this is an owner message. My avatar and my name show up, that?s all. Or am I doing something wrong?
Victoria

Re: yG Privacy Dashboard download #yahooprivacydashboard #ioimportpl

#20839

<div style="font-family: sans-serif;">
<div>
<p>Yes you can. You will have to email those to Mark. I did this with my mail man transfer in 2016. And the transfer happened in a few days. This was before the yahoo debacle so give it time.</p>
<p>Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. .</p>
<p>On 26 Oct 2019, at 6:17, Susan B wrote:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Lena<br />I just requested a download of my information from yahoo. You said you received all messages and files from groups you belong to. I read up on what mbox format is. Is this something you think I can upload to a group here? We want to put all our old posts, which contain very valuable information, into our new group here either on the message board or in the files. Message board is preferred. We were going to just start forwarding each old message to the message board here, starting with the oldest. It would be a daunting and very lengthy task.</p>
<p>Susan B</p>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>

Re: New group not functioning

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On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 11:26 AM, Orest Skrypuch wrote:

Are they a 9-5 M-F kind of thing?

I think more like 9-9-9!

Would it help if someone else joined your group? Sent a message or two to your group to see what is happening??
If you are moderating messages, you could make sure it had Test in the subject line.

And have you checked in your activity in Admin?

Frances
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Re: New group not functioning

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I also emailed support@, but haven't heard back.

Are they a 9-5 M-F kind of thing? Do they generally respond eventually?

I'm dead in the water at moment, as the group will not echo any new posts, they just disappear, even though it worked fine before the transfer of data from YG.

* Orest

On 25/10/2019 21:59, Orest Skrypuch via Groups.Io wrote:

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I set up a new private group (onteye), and tried some test emails, all was well.

I then invoked the automated transfer from yahoogroups. Only about 75% of the messages transferred.

But, the real issue, is that now the group does not accept any posts at all.

* Orest

Re: yG Privacy Dashboard download #yahooprivacydashboard #ioimportpl

#20836

Lena,
I know you are a whiz with computer programming from past messages of yours I’ve read. I don’t know that much about it but I like to read about the possibilities and their details - such as you provided. I liked your idea that there should be a way to create a program that will do what you described. I notice you were talking about Perl. We have one member using a PC who is willing to help with the forwarding. I am using a Mac…. is it possible to write something for a Mac that does what you describe?

Thank you -
Susan B

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On Oct 26, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Lena <Lena@...> wrote:

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 04:20 PM, Susan B wrote:


Was the download divided into separate groups? And was each
Group separated into files and messages?
Yes, yes. File descriptions are missing, each file is separate with its own name in its folder (zipped).

We have to manually upload to a group here because there’s an absentee
owner at the yahoo group.You can upload the mbox file. Members can download the file and use Thunderbird or another mail client to read it and search in it.

We were going to just start forwarding each old message to the message
board here, starting with the oldest. It would be a daunting and very lengthy
task. There are different types of forwarding. If "From" in a forward is of the person doing the forwarding then every message will be from that member. If "From" is preserved but that email address isn't currently subscribed to the .io group then the message will be moderated (assuming that "Allow Non Subscribers to Post" is checked in group settings) and thus out of order.

I'm thinking to write a program (in Perl language) to read a mbox and email each message to groups.io (direct-to-MX, requires your IP-address to have RDNS) in order. The program should be able to handle timeouts, temporary rejections (4xx) and use optional list of pairs: email address in yG archive -> current email address of that person subscribed to the .io group. Also an option to take list of email addresses of all current members, if "From" of a message in the mbox is not in the list then change "From" to some fixed address (like owner's) in order to avoid moderation.

I'm sure that somebody here will be able to describe step-by-step how to run a program in Perl under Windows using ActivePerl or something similar.

Re: Is there a uitlity/test/browse/practice group?

#20835

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 09:19 AM, Sandi D. wrote:

I did something similar. I encouraged members in my YGs to create an IO login and look around. Many found IO groups that were of interest to them and joined them. That is really ideal as existing, active IO groups give new IO registrants a richer experience.?

I think this is a great suggestion.?
See this about joining a group -?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Joining-a-group

There is more advice on the wiki for group members. You don't have to be a member of GMF or log into Groups.io to read it.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/home

Frances
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Re: Narrow formatting in Digests?

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On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 10:35 AM, Phil Smith III wrote:

It’s all very nice so far except for one thing: Digests are formatted in silly narrow columns. WebTV is long dead; why would anyone want to waste screen real estate like this? Makes it much harder to read.

Phil -- I'm not seeing this. Can you send a screenshot? Have you tried the Plain Text Digest option?

Bruce

Re: [email protected] isn't a member of my Yahoo group

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On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 09:19 AM, Edward Borg wrote:

Well I went ahead and deleted the transfer request, started a new one and sent a new invite.
I hope this works this time.

Edward -- Can I offer a suggestion?

If you haven't done so in awhile, you might want to get in some "practice" for Step 4 by temporarily making someone else in your group a Moderator. It would be unfortunate to once again go through all these steps only to get an unpleasant surprise.

Good luck,
Bruce

Re: No longer moderator or owner #addmembers

#20832

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 04:49 AM, <kb4wyr@...> wrote:

1.? I created a group.
2.? I uploaded a list of members to invite.? I failed to remove my email address from that list.

That shouldn't matter. If an email address is already subscribed to the group, that invitation won't be sent.?

I just tried it, and here's what I got:

"The following email addresses had errors:

myemail(at)domain.net: Already subscribed"

3.? I was sent an invitation to the group.?
4.? I clicked on the link to accept the invitation on the website.
5.? I am no longer Owner of the group.

My guess...you actually have two email addresses, and an invitation for the non-owner address got sent out. When you subsequently clicked on the link, that logged you out from the owner address and logged you in under the new subscriber address. Therefore you can no longer access your Admin functions.

See?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Group-Content-Is-Missing?for details, third section.

The solution is to log out of groups.io and log back in with the address that actually owns the group. When logged in correctly, you'll see a baby-blue "Owner" tag on the Home button at upper left.

Hope this helps,
Bruce

Re: Is there a uitlity/test/browse/practice group?

#20831

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 10:12 PM, Christos G Psarras wrote:

I also don't want to tell them they can join this group for a bit so they can practice navigation and the like and get a feel how the web interface works, this is a forum for us obviously.? So is there like some "uitlity/test/browse/practice" public group that anyone can join so they can browse around?

Although I am not in any sense an "owner" of this group I would say 1000 times NO to it being used as any sort of test - bed for new users of Groups.io.

While your idea of a public sand-box group is an interesting one, there would inevitably be a downside which could finish up causing more problems than it helped to resolve. You will have your group set up to meet your requirements in terms of moderation settings, moderator permissions and so on and if those turned out to differ from those new members encountered in a sort of playground environment it would mean that your group behaved differently to what had been found in the playground.

It does not require much imagination to see how that might work out...

Chris