Delivery of Yahoo Group Messages

#20146

I posted a message about groups.io transfer to a Yahoo Group about an hour ago but it has not appeared even on the Yahoo Group website as a Conversation. Is Yahoo not posting messages or just being flaky?

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Re: "Eligibility to join" pop-up for potential new members

#20145

You can create a notice that requires members to give you some information.

See

/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Member-Notices

and more:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Screening-New-Members-Using-the-Pending-Subscription-Notice

Lots more in the wiki!
GroupManagersForum

Frances
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FAQ on Moving from YahooGroups

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More help: use the search button at the top of the Messages list.

"Eligibility to join" pop-up for potential new members

#20144

Our Yahoo group confirms eligibility to join our group when a potential new member clicks the join button. A message box pops up asking them to write a few sentences on why they want to join.

We are worried that our new group will not have this function when the join button is clicked. If not, how do we assess the eligibility of these potential new members? Due to time constraints for our volunteers, we hope we don’t have to send each an individual request for information, even if that request is just a copy/paste into a new email addressed to the new person.

Is there a workaround for this if no request for eligibility information pops up when the join button is clicked? Is it possible to post a standing message next to the join button telling them they have to email us with their explanation of why they want to join?

This is really important to us.

Thank you
Susan B

Need a little information for our "welcome to our new home" message that groups.io sends to our members

#20143

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I understand that the transfer agent copies all our members over to our group here. In our “we’ve moved!” welcome message that ?sends out to our members, is there anything we need to tell them about their first visit to our groups here? Will they have to set up an account here after they get into our new group here? Also, I assume that we just have to include the link to our group here in our welcome message and when they click it they will be taken right into the group here without a password. Do they need to add a password for future visits?

I’m sorry I’m so confused about this.

Thank you?

Susan B

Re: Search function

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Excellent! Thank you so much, Bruce. I also need to be pointed to how to turn your Yahoo group’s old messages into a pdf file and post into the files section of the??group.

Susan B

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On Oct 22, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 02:05 PM, Susan B wrote:

Does the ?searcher just search inside a forum for a message topic or poster’s name? Or can it search for something inside the body of a message?

Susan --?The message search engine scans the subject line and message body. It does NOT search on any other fields (including the poster's name). See also?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Using-the-Search-Engine

The group search engine scans only the group Descriptions.

Regards,
Bruce

Re: Help with transfer of an "orphaned" Yahoo group #pgoffline

Adam Farson

#20141

Hi Chris,

In fact I have PA3DUV's e-mail address, both from the Yahoo group and from his QRZ record. The address is the same on both. He has not replied to any e-mails I sent, or even to posts on the old group.

In the end, using PGOffline, I successfully transferred the archived messages, files and photos from the old icom2kl Yahoo group to the Files and Photos sections of the new GIO group. As there were only about 650 messages, i was able to use the free version of PGOffline.

The message archive is in the form of 13 HTML files, each containing 50 messages. I placed it in the new group's Files section.

I also captured the old group's member list and invited all members from the old group. 120 valid invitations went out, and the GIO group now has 35 members.I anticipate that others will join over the next week or two.

Finally, I closed the old group. I completely agree that any group should have more than one owner. I need to find a co-owner for icom2kl.

Thanks to everybody on GMF for the kind help!

Cheers, Adam

Re: Search function

#20140

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 02:05 PM, Susan B wrote:

Does the ?searcher just search inside a forum for a message topic or poster’s name? Or can it search for something inside the body of a message?

Susan --?The message search engine scans the subject line and message body. It does NOT search on any other fields (including the poster's name). See also?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Using-the-Search-Engine

The group search engine scans only the group Descriptions.

Regards,
Bruce

Re: Should I be concerned?

#20139

I set up my group and paid on Monday night (Luckily). Yesterday morning I printed out Bruce's 16 step how to do it sheet (thank you so much for that) Got to step 12 last night and have just had the message from io to ask me to make them moderator, I have done that and authorised transfer. Now just a waiting game

I think it would have been much more problematic without those instructions in my hand!

Sheila

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On Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 04:09:32 PM GMT+1, Karen Ivy <karenivy@...> wrote:

Yesterday afternoon around 2:30 PM PDT I set up 2 group transfers, including sending the invitations to [email protected].? The status page says I have 2 groups “in process or completed,” but I haven’t gotten the instructions to promote the transfer agent to moderator.? And the transfer agent is not on the member lists of either group as of this morning.?

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I do understand that this takes time, I just wondered if anyone has a feel for how long it’s taking during what I’m sure is a very chaotic week.

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Karen Ivy

karenivy@...

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"We have no means of learning what is really going on." -- W. H. Auden

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Search function

#20138

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Does the ?searcher just search inside a forum for a message topic or poster’s name? Or can it search for something inside the body of a message?

Thank you.

Susan B

Re: Detailed Instructions on How to Conduct a Yahoo Transfer

#20137

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 12:41 PM, Bernie/Ohio/GL-033 wrote:

He that pays the piper calls the tune

Not necessarily.? If you had started the transfer, the ball would be in your court.? It doesn't make any difference who pays for the group.

Duane
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Re: Changing Account Level

#20136

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 01:36 PM, David Smith wrote:

So I logged in this morning and upgraded my account from the free version to the premium....before the price increase. However, I must have signed up for the 1 month versus the yearly.
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When I look at my account, I can't seem to find a way to make it into a Yearly account. There's no way to make that adjustment...how does one make this change?

David -- I'm at a loss on this one, especially if you want to get in under the $110 plan. You might have to email [email protected]?directly. A subject line along the lines of "TRYING TO PAY YOU" might get his attention.

Good luck,
Bruce

Re: Question about invitation formats

#20135

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 01:40 PM, Bob Krampetz wrote:

When I uploaded the invitee list I built from YG,? many people had left off?

their names when they signed up on YG..??

So my list was as requested:? name <userid>.? one per line.

If by "userid" you mean email address, that should work.

If they'd left off their name, my? left the name blank but put the userid

between the 'brackets'.

According to the invitation page, if you don't provide a Display Name, the email address should NOT be in brackets, and be alone on that line.

I'm getting some people telling me that they didn't get the invitation.? And those

people all went in with no name:? ?<userid>? ...

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Is it a bug?? Or my misunderstanding?

Well, it's not a bug, because you didn't provide the expected format. But I'd like to think the invitation code should be smart enough to figure it out. This would be a good suggestion for eventual improvement in. Meanwhile, I suggest you resubmit the email-address-only people again...without the brackets this time.

Regards,
Bruce

Re: Where do I customize the Welcome message?

#20134

On Oct 21, 2019, at 5:10 PM, Karen Ivy <karenivy@...> wrote:

I’m sorry, I’m logged in and creating my 2 groups on groups.io and I cannot find where I would customize a welcome message.  The wiki says my group@’s Settings page has a tab for Member Notices.  Sorry, no, it doesn’t; it doesn’t have tabs at all, it has a list of options in the left margin, none of which is Member Notices.  Where should I be looking?  Admin > Settings
Click on "Member Notices" button near the top of the page
Then click on "+New Notice"
Use the "Notice Type" dropdown menu to select the type of notice
Edit message
Make sure the "Active Message" box is checked
Click on "Add Notice" at bottom of the page

Re: Detailed Instructions on How to Conduct a Yahoo Transfer

#20133

Your response is huge help.? I recognize the advantage of the stumbling block I’ve encountered, even though it reflects that not all “owners” are equal.? He that pays the piper calls the tune ...

We’ll just have to wait until the other owner finishes his travel and can take the next step.

Bernie Chachula

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On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 1:15 PM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 01:00 PM, Bernie/Ohio/GL-033 wrote:

I am one of two owners of our new Groups.io presence.? The other owner is the one who paid the $110 fee.

It doesn't matter who pays the fee, as long as it is paid, and the group thus has the proper payment status (Premium YEARLY).

After receiving Groups’ acceptance of our invitation (Step 14), and promoting [email protected] to Moderator (Step 15), I went to the Step 4 listed transfer page but the “Existing Transfers” dropdown is blank, even clicking to actually open it up.? Nothing shows where I expected to see my group’s name.? Consequently, I can’t proceed with Step 16.? Is this another waiting point in the process?

Ah. That's a horse of a different color, as they say. Providing the actual symptoms really helps with troubleshooting.

The same person who started the transfer has to complete it. You cannot switch back and forth, because has no way to map one account to another, even if they both own the group. This has the side benefit of keeping two people from attempting to transfer the same group(s) at the same time.

So assuming you are the one who started all this, and suddenly you can no longer see anything in the Existing Transfers list, it's probably because you're now logged in under a different email address than you were when you started. The email address is the account identifier; and as far as is concerned, those two email addresses are two different people.

Please see the following wiki page:?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Group-Content-Is-Missing? The page does not discuss this in the context of a group transfer, but the concept is the same.

Hope this helps,
Bruce

Question about invitation formats

#20132
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When I uploaded the invitee list I built from YG,? many people had left off?

their names when they signed up on YG..??

So my list was as requested:? name <userid>.? one per line.

If they'd left off their name, my macro left the name blank but put the userid

between the 'brackets'.

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I'm getting some people telling me that they didn't get the invitation.? And those

people all went in with no name:? ?<userid>? ...

?

Is it a bug?? Or my misunderstanding?

Bob?

[Subject line changed by Moderator]

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Changing Account Level

#20131

So I logged in this morning and upgraded my account from the free version to the premium....before the price increase. However, I must have signed up for the 1 month versus the yearly.

When I look at my account, I can't seem to find a way to make it into a Yearly account. There's no way to make that adjustment...how does one make this change?

Re: Paying for a second transfer to add a subgroup

#20130

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 12:23 PM, <roger.colwell@...> wrote:

Just to make certain, I am asking to migrate a separate Yahoo group, as a subgroup into my main group, into my Premium Yearly plan, and you're saying there's not a double transfer fee?

Such is my understanding. It may change tomorrow. :-)

Bruce

Re: Dual email addresses

#20129

The user can aslo add the second email address as an email alias at his settings page. Then they can aslo post from this address.

Isidro

[Mod Note: While this is true, group messages will not be received there. The only way to receive group messages at a given address without forwarding is to subscribe it.]

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Am 22.10.2019 um 18:46 schrieb Deborah Cohen:

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Dual email addresses
From: Tim Morris on Mon, 21 Oct 2019 04:33:48 CDT

My boat owner Group has a number of 'subscribers' who would like to have 2 email addresses included so they both get any Posts.? I don’t want to have two separate subscribers for one boat.? Is there a way??

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--I'm not too tech savvy, but my tried and true solution to get my YG posts sent to two different email addresses was to set up an automatic forward in my email. I set up an automatic forward? that applied to all YG messages received in my YG email address. You just have to be careful to only reply or post from the primary email account (or webpage), or else they will be returned as undeliverable.

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Deborah

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Re: Detailed Instructions on How to Conduct a Yahoo Transfer

#20128

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 01:00 PM, Bernie/Ohio/GL-033 wrote:

I am one of two owners of our new Groups.io presence.? The other owner is the one who paid the $110 fee.

It doesn't matter who pays the fee, as long as it is paid, and the group thus has the proper payment status (Premium YEARLY).

After receiving Groups’ acceptance of our invitation (Step 14), and promoting [email protected] to Moderator (Step 15), I went to the Step 4 listed transfer page but the “Existing Transfers” dropdown is blank, even clicking to actually open it up.? Nothing shows where I expected to see my group’s name.? Consequently, I can’t proceed with Step 16.? Is this another waiting point in the process?

Ah. That's a horse of a different color, as they say. Providing the actual symptoms really helps with troubleshooting.

The same person who started the transfer has to complete it. You cannot switch back and forth, because groups.io has no way to map one account to another, even if they both own the group. This has the side benefit of keeping two people from attempting to transfer the same group(s) at the same time.

So assuming you are the one who started all this, and suddenly you can no longer see anything in the Existing Transfers list, it's probably because you're now logged in under a different email address than you were when you started. The email address is the account identifier; and as far as groups.io is concerned, those two email addresses are two different people.

Please see the following wiki page:?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Group-Content-Is-Missing? The page does not discuss this in the context of a group transfer, but the concept is the same.

Hope this helps,
Bruce

Re: Detailed Instructions on How to Conduct a Yahoo Transfer

#20127

I am stuck at your Step 16.? I am one of two owners of our new Groups.io presence.? The other owner is the one who paid the $110 fee.

After receiving Groups’ acceptance of our invitation (Step 14), and promoting [email protected] to Moderator (Step 15), I went to the Step 4 listed transfer page but the “Existing Transfers” dropdown is blank, even clicking to actually open it up.? Nothing shows where I expected to see my group’s name.? Consequently, I can’t proceed with Step 16.? Is this another waiting point ?in the process?

I have even tried other browsers, first Chrome, then Firefox, and even Safari.? No joy in either case.

Any ideas?

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On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 12:01 PM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: EDITED AND RESENT TO THE GROUP, AS THE COST HAS JUST NOW INCREASED TO $220]
Folks -- Appended below please find detailed instructions on how to conduct a transfer using the Easy Group Transfer method.

See also the new FAQ at?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/FAQ-on-Moving-from-YahooGroups
To check status of an ongoing transfer:??/g/GroupManagersForum/message/19948

I will be re-posting this periodically for the benefit of all the new people that continue to flood in. My apologies for the inevitable dupes in your email inbox.

Regards,
Bruce
Here is the process. It is not fully automated and will take several days. Do not do anything out of order.

Go here:?/

At the bottom of the page, you'll find a link that says "Easy Group Transfer." Click it.

Scroll to the bottom of the subsequent page and click on the big blue button labelled "Yahoo Group Instructions."

You should be at?/yahootransfer. Read the instructions carefully, including all the Notes. Bookmark this page, too. You will come back here several times.

Create your group and configure it according to your needs. Help with group settings can be found here:??/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Quick-Start-for-Group-Formation [NOTE: Each new group must be reviewed to confirm that it meets the Groups.io Terms of Service. This alone could take up to a day.]?

To use the Easy Group Transfer, you must upgrade the group to the Premium Yearly plan.?You can downgrade to the Basic plan later (i.e.: a year from now), if you want.
To do so, select Admin>Upgrade from the left-side menu bar and click on the blue "View/Change Plan" button. Select "Premium Yearly" (one-time cost of $110 $220) and make your payment.?
(You have now completed Step 1 of the instructions)

Return to the bookmarked page (/yahootransfer). Click on the big green button at the bottom that says "Set Up New Transfer."

Enter the name of your Yahoo group and the name of your group in their respective boxes. Do NOT enter any domain information (i.e.:?leave off?@ or @), just the group names.

Click the big green "Start Group Transfer Process" button at the bottom of the page.?
(You have now completed Step 2 of the instructions)

Go to your YAHOO GROUP (not your group) and log in. Send a membership invitation to "[email protected]." If you've never done this before, instructions can be found at??

Return to the bookmarked page?(/yahootransfer) once again. Select the group you are transferring from the Existing Transfers menu at bottom right (pull down the menu and click on the group name). A new page will come up, with?a status box at the top. If all is well, it should say: "We've received the invite to your group and will accept it soon. There is no need to send another invite." If it doesn't say that, the invitation did not go through. Go back to Step 10 above and try again.?
(You have now completed Step 3 of the instructions)

BE PATIENT. Accepting the invitation is the longest step in the process, and requires human intervention (solving a CAPTCHA).?

BE EVEN MORE PATIENT.?Do not send additional invitations in an attempt to hurry things up.

You will eventually receive an email stating that the Yahoo group invitation has been accepted. Continue waiting until you receive this email.
(You have now completed Step 4 of the instructions)

Return to your YAHOO GROUP and log in. Find the "[email protected]" member record and promote it to a Moderator. Instructions for this can be found at?.

Return to the page that you bookmarked in #4 above one more time. Once again, pull down the Existing Transfers menu at bottom right and select the group you're ready to transfer. On the resulting page, click the green "Give Go Ahead to Transfer" button.?
(You have now completed Step 5 of the instructions)

BE PATIENT AGAIN. The ability to actually do the transfer depends on how well Yahoo's servers are operating. We all know what that means, right?

You may notice some activity in your new group, which probably reflects partial completion of the process. Do not panic. This is what you wanted to happen!

When the transfer is done, you will receive an email from summarizing what it was able to transfer. It will also list whatever things it was?NOT?able to transfer. Until this email is received, you aren't done yet.

Rejoice.

Most of us have "been there" with this process before and it all sounds easy in hindsight. Ironically, the same thing that's causing most people to abandon Y!G (server downtime) is exactly the same thing most likely to get in the way of completing the transfer process.?The best time to initiate a transfer is when Yahoo is performing well.?If you procrastinate until things are crashing and burning, delays, incomplete transfers, and other such frustrations can be expected.

Hope this helps,
Bruce
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