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Re: Bounced because of SPAM #bouncedemails #spam

 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 04:23 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
One thing to keep in mind that a lot of people currently being migrated from Yahoo Groups no doubt "didn't get the message" and will be blindsided by notifications coming from groups.io stating that they've been transferred here.
The above presupposes that a warning was sent to the Yahoo group advising its members that a migration is being arranged, and that they should? expect (at some undefined point in time) an email from Groups.io informing them that their new group is ready for them to confirm their membership.

If no such advance warning is given then the likelihood of something going wrong because of a simple misunderstanding is almost certain to be greater.

I fully expect a blizzard of "removed because of spam"" queries to start before long...

Chris


Re: Should I be concerned?

 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 04:26 PM, Karen Ivy wrote:
but the damn Yahoo group doesn¡¯t give me a status on either invitation
Too many "groups" in your post! Yahoo groups will not provide any indication of the status of any migration to Groups.io.

Chris


Re: Notice of Pricing Change

 

Bonzai.?? At 8:20am Pacific time prior to the 9:00am (Pac) price increase, my group Augsburg2ndOps and I are in.? Damn sure hope the transfer works, and the group is perpetuated under the new groups.io format.? Wish I'd had more time to research.? Bill, San Diego.


Re: Trying to add [email protected] membership for a migration yahoo to groups.io...

 

Thanks Bruce.

Apparently I should maybe also expect delay due to ?heavier than usual work load at groups.io Due to the rush of rats leaving the sinking Yahoo ship. ?
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Workaround due to absentee yahoo group owner?

 

I tried to reach yahoo customer support to ask to be a moderator with privileges to do an invite for our group with an absentee owner. It¡¯s simply not possible to reach yahoo anymore. (If someone knows how please tell me.) I¡¯ve formed a basic group with intent to manually transfer files and photos to it. I can¡¯t get at the yahoo membership list so I can¡¯t transfer membership email addresses.

Would someone explain in detail how I can transfer old messages to the basic group? They exist in the yahoo group webpage. I read there is a way to make them PDFs and upload as a file. But I understand I would be unable to search for particular messages.

But, possible second option: I also personally have copies of all of them on my computer because they came to me as emails and I kept them. Can I send those as individual emails to the basic group? I realize they would all show up as being from me but if I forward them then each would also have the original sender name in the body of the mail. So could they be searched by the putting in the original poster¡¯s name? I think this would require the search engine to be able to search text inside the body of the email.
Thank you.
Susan B


Re: Should I be concerned?

 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:26 AM, Karen Ivy wrote:
Should I resend the invite on the group that¡¯s reminding me?
If the status box says "make sure you send an invite to..." then by all means you should return to that Yahoo group and try again.

If it says "we have received your invite and will accept it soon...", then you should not.

Bruce


Re: Should I be concerned?

 

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Thank you, that helps a lot.?

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On one of the groups it says, ¡°make sure you have sent an invite to [email protected]¡± but not on the other; I actually sent the invite to that group first, but the damn Yahoo group doesn¡¯t give me a status on either invitation.? Should I resend the invite on the group that¡¯s reminding me?

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Karen Ivy

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruce Bowman
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 8:13 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Should I be concerned?

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On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:09 AM, Karen Ivy wrote:

The status page says I have 2 groups ¡°in process or completed,¡± but I haven¡¯t gotten the instructions to promote the transfer agent to moderator.

Karen -- This is not the status page.

In order to determine status, you have to select each group in turn (click on their names) by pulling down the Existing Transfers menu. The boxed message at the top of the resulting page will then tell you what's going on.

The status of a given transfer cannot be determined until you select one.

Hope this helps,
Bruce


Re: Bounced because of SPAM #bouncedemails #spam

 

One thing to keep in mind that a lot of people currently being migrated from Yahoo Groups no doubt "didn't get the message" and will be blindsided by notifications coming from groups.io stating that they've been transferred here. If a bunch of them start flagging such notices as spam then it stands to reason that might adversely affect the reputation of the service.

I'm not trying to downplay the impact such a thing can have, only to suggest that such glitches should probably be expected; and can similarly be expected to resolve themselves after this massive influx of newbies subsides.

Hope this helps,
Bruce


Re: HOW TO CHECK TRANSFER STATUS (was: transfer problem)

 

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I was just on Yahoo Groups and it was up.? Not sure what happened to you.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Margery Flax
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 8:04 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] HOW TO CHECK TRANSFER STATUS (was: transfer problem)

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Thanks - I figured it out after I hit send but I figured others might find it helpful.

And, in case anyone is wondering - it appears that yahoogroups is now down so we cannot set up transfers.? grumble, grumble.

Margery


Re: Should I be concerned?

 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:09 AM, Karen Ivy wrote:
The status page says I have 2 groups ¡°in process or completed,¡± but I haven¡¯t gotten the instructions to promote the transfer agent to moderator.
Karen -- This is not the status page.

In order to determine status, you have to select each group in turn (click on their names) by pulling down the Existing Transfers menu. The boxed message at the top of the resulting page will then tell you what's going on.

The status of a given transfer cannot be determined until you select one.

Hope this helps,
Bruce


Should I be concerned?

 

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Yesterday afternoon around 2:30 PM PDT I set up 2 group transfers, including sending the invitations to [email protected].? The status page says I have 2 groups ¡°in process or completed,¡± but I haven¡¯t gotten the instructions to promote the transfer agent to moderator.? And the transfer agent is not on the member lists of either group as of this morning.?

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I do understand that this takes time, I just wondered if anyone has a feel for how long it¡¯s taking during what I¡¯m sure is a very chaotic week.

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Karen Ivy

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Re: HOW TO CHECK TRANSFER STATUS (was: transfer problem)

 

Thanks - I figured it out after I hit send but I figured others might find it helpful.

And, in case anyone is wondering - it appears that yahoogroups is now down so we cannot set up transfers.? grumble, grumble.

Margery


Re: Notice of Pricing Change

 

so glad i moved all of my groups over a year ago and told all other group owners that i knew to do the same ..
most followed my advice and some didn't and now they have to pay more or just lose their archives and access to?
group page.
I feel bad as the group has been around since 2006 and used to be very active so it's hard to see that group just
disappear like that.

Mark deserves to get paid for his work ... groups IO has been an excellent alternative and while some of my groups are enterprise -- others are free
and we've all worked extremely well.??

Rachel


Re: HOW TO CHECK TRANSFER STATUS (was: transfer problem)

 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 10:44 AM, Margery Flax wrote:
I do not see where I can choose what to transfer from yahoogroups - please be more specific.
Margery -- You have to start a transfer first.

When you click on the green "Set Up New Transfer" button at bottom left of the Yahoo groups transfer page (/yahootransfer), a new page will come up where you can enter the source and destination group names.

There is also a series of checkboxes for the various areas of the group to transfer (files, photos, members, messages, etc). Simply uncheck the ones you don't want before clicking the "Start New Transfer Process" button.

If you've already started a transfer, return to the Yahoo groups transfer page (/yahootransfer), select the transfer you've already started from the "Existing Transfers" list (pull down the menu and click on its name). On the resulting page you will see the same series of checkboxes. Uncheck the ones you don't want and then click the "Update Transfer" button.

I hope this helps, because I cannot get any more explicit than that.

Regards,
Bruce


Re: When should I be concerned? #howlong

 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 09:33 AM, rich hurd wrote:
this is uncharted territory for you guys.
I think this is a good opportunity to mention this.? The GMF group is an unofficial support group for the site.? As far as we know, no one from Groups.io management monitors anything here.? We're a user-to-user group that has learned how things work, just like any new member should.? Some of us have been here since almost the beginning.? We've been able to learn things as they're added or changed, so it's been a gradual process for us.? For folks new to the site, things can seem a bit overwhelming with all the improvements that have been made and the options that are available.

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Re: HOW TO CHECK TRANSFER STATUS (was: transfer problem)

 

I do not see where I can choose what to transfer from yahoogroups - please be more specific.

Thanks,
Margery


Re: Is IO charging a fee now

 

One thing to keep in mind: "There is no such thing as a free lunch". Groups.io is not ad-supported and your privacy is in no way impacted by your use of groups.io or your membership at groups.io. Unlike Yahoo, which is ad-supported and uses your personal information to pay for the services you receive(d) there.

So, expecting Mark to pay for all of us to continue using this service (which is far superior to Yahoo Groups in my opinion), is not reasonable. The challenge is to come up with an equitable way to share the cost of the services. It appears to me that Mark is testing those waters now. I'm certainly prepared to support a reasonable cost for these services.

Dave Rypma
Owner and Moderator of several groups here and (soon to be the past) Yahoo.?


On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 10:42 PM, Nina Banks wrote:
Is IO going to charge a fee to use it's service??? Is it going the way of Yahoo groups??

Thanks
Nina


Re: HOW TO CHECK TRANSFER STATUS (was: transfer problem)

 

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Thanks. I hope I do as well. I vow to be patient.

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Linda Jones

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of William Ellis
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:04 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] HOW TO CHECK TRANSFER STATUS (was: transfer problem)

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Linda;

Here is my update, use it as a benchmark, I have migrated 2 groups.? The first took 5 days (Weekend included) from the request to completion.? The second I started on Saturday, and completed this morning (EST).? The email I got is included below to show that it was completed.?
Both, I had upgraded to "paid" before I started any of the steps.? I have a third that I started yesterday but I mixed up the order of things to see how it does or does not work.
One of mine had several failures on the Photo section - common issues on the Yahoo side - so I created a second migration of just the photos.? The request was completed within 4 hours.? There were several duplicates created of the photos that came over in the first wave.? But I got several of the missing ones back.?
Lesson:? Check your data before and after you do the migration.

Sample completed migration notification:



Hello,

The transfer of your Yahoo Group NSUinUSA to your Groups.io group NSUinUSA is complete.

We've transferred the following parts of your group:

??? Members
??? Messages
??? Photos
??? Files
??? Links
??? Databases

IMPORTANT: Yahoo Groups has been very unreliable lately. If you find that you are missing Photos, Files or Messages, it is because we were unable to export them due to problems with Yahoo Groups. Also, we do not transfer calendar events.

Here are some statistics:

??? Total Members Processed: 104
??? Successfully Added: 103
??? Bounced Members (Skipped): 0
??? Moderated Members: 0
??? Members on Digest: 11
??? Undisclosed Emails (Skipped): 0


The following email addresses were not added:

??? William_Ellis@...: Already subscribed

521 photos were transferred.

79 files were transferred.

16 links were transferred. WARNING: Some links were not able to be transferred because of a bug in Yahoo's export system. You will need to manually review the links.

0 databases were transferred.

If you have any questions, please contact [email protected].

Cheers,
The Groups.io Team


Re: Timeframe? #transfer

 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 10:32 AM, Jim Varrone wrote:
Hi, I paid for Enterprise service plan last week and sent an invite to [email protected] from my Yahoogroup. However, it's still not been accepted and as a result nothing shows up in pending transfers. How long should I wait to become concerned. I did re-send the invite a couple of times just to make sure.
Jim -- "Last week" is a pretty broad range, thus it's hard for us to gauge if your wait time has been excessive.

To check status, follow the instructions in this message:?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/19948. If the status box at the top of the page says your invitation has been received but not accepted yet, then you're probably fine...you just have to keep waiting. If it says something else, report back here and we'll try to give you further guidance.

Regards,
Bruce


Re: Timeframe? #transfer

 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 09:32 AM, Jim Varrone wrote:
I paid for Enterprise service plan last week and sent an invite to [email protected] from my Yahoogroup. However, it's still not been accepted and as a result nothing shows up in pending transfers. How long should I wait to become concerned. I did re-send the invite a couple of times just to make sure.
With all that's going on with the Yahoo transfers, I'm sure things are backed up a bit.? A few years ago there was a surge in transfers and the wait time got up to around 2 weeks.? Having said that, an Enterprise account should be the highest priority available.? Sending more than one invitation can actually slow things down.? Just check the status at the top of your transfer page to make sure the invitation was received at GIO, then wait (as patiently as you can.)

Duane
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