As the group is down for two hours 9-11pm eastern -- are emailed messages held in queue until the site is accessible?
Should members be told to be patient or to NOT send messages during this timeframe?

Thanks,
Rachel

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 03:21 PM, @Smith3000gt wrote:

We are looking to transfer from Yahoo! Groups to Groups.io and we have a couple of questions for privacy purposes.?

Yep. I'm surprised no one has asked about this before now.

1. If we choose to NOT transfer the "Members" data, will the messages show with the Yahoo! Alias still or will it be substituted with "Unknown"/"Anonymous" or will it use the Group.IO account the messages are transferred to? Also will these messages/threads still be able available to post new information??

Pretty sure it will still show the Yahoo alias ("Display Name", in groups.io parlance).

It's kinda hard to explain without an example. It's entirely possible for two subscribers in your group to have the same Display Name. In groups.io -- and probably Y!G too, -- message "ownership" is actually tracked by an invisible number called a "posterid", not by any text string.?

So if you leave the members behind during a transfer, that message will no longer be associated with any "posterid" within groups.io, because such an account does not exist. For example, you won't be able to "find" other posts by that person by searching on "all posts by this member." But the text metadata?will remain in the message base, whether the associated member is migrated or not. Specifically, the from address is not munged or changed to "anonymous."

I hope that made sense.

2. If we choose to NOT transfer the "Members" data, will any email accounts from Yahoo! Groups be migrated over? So for example if someone?s email account is found in the "message history" of a thread or the "Activity Log" (that would possibly be migrated from Yahoo! Groups)??

The Yahoo activity log is not migrated. Also, the transfer agent will not parse message bodies for email addresses, remove member information, phone numbers, etc from quoted text, or anything like that. If that concerns you, you'd probably be ahead of the game just creating a new group and starting afresh.

Thank you for your time and we understand that you are receiving many more questions then a week ago so we will be patient :)?

I just hope that I somehow managed to answer your question. If not, it might be useful to know exactly what might be concerning you.

Regards,
Bruce

I've done it both ways:

1. To a Free account
2. By Easy Transfer to a Premium account

No question, #2 gives a far superior replica.

What I did for #1, as outlined by the previous post was to use PB Offline 4 to download Files, Photos, Messages, Links, Members to its database. The Files and Photos files are not in its database but sit in folders following their hierarchy on Yahoo. I uploaded those en masse to the g.io Files. Note that none of the metadata comes with them so I painstakingly edited one by one to copy them over from Y!G. The messages can be exported from PBO in a few ways as a single file of all messages or in chunks of 50 per file. I've uploaded those to Files.

Nothing in Files can be previewed; everything downloads. You cannot search contents without downloading. G.io has the content but it is pretty useless as is. However, if Owners/Moderators/Experts have the downloaded content and are adept at using various tools to search, copy and post the good stuff (either unilaterally or in response to queries), the more valuable content could resurface in the new group. That might be an advantage in some ways for long standing groups that have become cluttered.

The developer of PBO also offers a $100 transfer service to a bulletin board plugin on WordPress. I don't know how good that might be but, having done my own migration from the now defunct Wikispaces to a hosted WP site, it is probably feasible to do so oneself, given the right skillset. I spent dozens of hours doing it myself with an inadequate skillset.

Tom

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Deborah

Last year I transferred a Yahoo group with over 640,000 messages with no problems. I was watching the message numbers increment at groups.io, and it did take a while for all of them to arrive!

Bill

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We are looking to transfer from Yahoo! Groups to Groups.io and we have a couple of questions for privacy purposes.?

1. If we choose to NOT transfer the "Members" data, will the messages show with the Yahoo! Alias still or will it be substituted with "Unknown"/"Anonymous" or will it use the Group.IO account the messages are transferred to? Also will these messages/threads still be able available to post new information??

2. If we choose to NOT transfer the "Members" data, will any email accounts from Yahoo! Groups be migrated over? So for example if someone?s email account is found in the "message history" of a thread or the "Activity Log" (that would possibly be migrated from Yahoo! Groups)??

Thank you for your time and we understand that you are receiving many more questions then a week ago so we will be patient :)?
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So I am experiencing a brain freeze.

I inserted a local pic into a message, ('er post.)?
Then accidentally deleted it during editing.?

So I wanted to re-insert the SAVED pic (I had dome some pic editing,) rather than upload another (I ass/u/me that the pic gets saved in MarkCyberSpace as soon as you hit SAVE and it's inserted?.)?

But -- I couldn't locate the pic -- I THOUGHT that previously when I added a pic that I could choose from pics that were previously saved. (not pics that were emailed [attached] or in albums -- but ones that had been inserted.)

Am I hallucinating?? Tell me it isn't so.
TY

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 02:56 PM, Dotty Bell wrote:

The list of groups with transfer requests will show in a drop-down list.? I was unclear on that at first.

Right. You have to click in the box. You can't just look at it!

Bruce

Mine worked but here is what I did “Groups.io Transfer <[email protected]>” Obviously you use only the text inside the quotes. It did not work until I added the first and last name to the invite.

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 12:29 PM, Linda Jones wrote:

Sadly my existing transfers box says I have no transfers in process.

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I’ve paid for my year of premium maintenance. I’ve invited [email protected] to my Yahoo group (several days ago).

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Nada since.

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Linda,
Don't know if this will help, but did you click on the arrow on the right edge of the empty "Existing Transfers" box?? The list of groups with transfer requests will show in a drop-down list.? I was unclear on that at first.? I can then click on the group name, and it takes me to the transfer setup page for that group.? It's at the top of that setup page that the message tells me if my invite has been received and/or accepted.?

Dotty

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 02:49 PM, Linda Jones wrote:

I’m pretty sure I did that, but I just did it again. Should I send another invite?

Not until you're sure you have a transfer in process. Go back to?/yahootransfer, pull down the Existing Transfers menu and make sure something is there.

If something is, then you can proceed to go to your Yahoo Group and invite the transfer agent again.

If there still isn't anything there, you need to click on "Set Up New Transfer" again, and be sure to put JUST THE GROUP NAMES in the two boxes (leave off all the @domain stuff). I admit that I'm just taking a guess at the problem, but you wouldn't be the first person who tried to do this by putting email addresses in those boxes instead of the group names.

Good luck,
Bruce

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Adam,

I did just that for a group about a year ago.?? The owner had been locked out of the group and the other moderators were only alter egos and were also locked out.? The owner didn't really know where to go and since he couldn't get in, couldn't give me moderator or owner status.

What I did was download the group with PGOffline, which costs about $30, and got all 27000 messages and the photos and files.? While it was a lot of work to post the photos and files to the newly created groups.io file, I got it done, but I still am looking for a solution that will make the old database of messages available.? It is basically a model train history group and those old messages contain valuable historical information so I don't want them to be lost.? By the way all those photos and files now show to be posted by me and not the original poster.? If anyone wants to change anything, I give them access back.? I would do it for all, but it is a time consuming process as you need to give access to both the album and each photo.

Messages on the old Yahoo group were unmoderated so it still functioned as a means of communicating with the members, whom we invited to join the new group.?? Out of 689 members on Yahoo, only 100 or so joined the new group.?? We are now at 112 members.? What was left at Yahoo were those who probably weren't interested anymore and those who were marginally interested.?? Since no one had the power to shut down or disable posting on the old group, our biggest problem has turned out to be those latter members who were blissfully unaware that anything had happened, except that there were few messages in the Yahoo group.?? Then they decided to post something and did it on Yahoo and the 689 members got the message.?? There were then responses to the messages on Yahoo, mostly by our members who had moved over to groups.io, who didn't look carefully to see that the message had come from Yahoo.?

I have set up email message filters that send such messages to a separate mailbox and I then forward them to the groups.io group and let people know to respond there.?? I then invite the initial sender to join the groups.io group if he hasn't already.? I have also asked members to delete {groupname}@yahoogroups.com from their email, so they will be less likely to post on the old group.?

In some ways, I wish Yahoo wasn't continuing as an email list as that would end this problem, but continuing messages ties in with OATH's email business plans. ?? I will bet that the ads that were formerly on the website get tacked to the end of the messages sent out or that you get separate ad messages.

Good luck with this and if I can be of any help, just contact me.

Dale Smith

Good luck with this.

thank you, pablo and everyone!

jean

On 2019-10-21 14:05, Jean Guevara via Groups.Io wrote:

forgive me (it's a monday :)? but i take it "Mail will be queued
during the downtime and will be sent when we are back on-line" means
no email correspondence between members during this time?

Hi Jean,

That's exactly how I read it.? No email will move during the maintenance
on the DB server.

Cheers,

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pablo

I found a relatively quick way to delete duplicate or unwanted photo albums:

1) Holding CTRL down, click on each photo album to be deleted on the page being viewed. This will open these in new tabs.

2) From left to right click on these tabs and choose "Delete Album," then close the tab.

3) When all tabs are closed other than the original full albums view, proceed to the next page of album views and repeat.?

I was able to delete 250 empty albums in less than an hour using this technique.

Cheers!

Howard Hoyt
[email protected]?Moderator

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 02:22 PM, Bernie/Ohio/GL-033 wrote:

You are not alone.? Our situation is the same.? Only acknowledgement was Yahoo’s subsequent screen that said our invitation was successfully sent.?
Contrary to some other comments, the only status screen for invitations seems to be on the page, but that’s for invitations to your new home, from your new home.?

Bernie -- To actually confirm that groups.io has received the invitation, check your transfer status as outlined in?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/19952

For us, we sort on the “added” column in the membership list on Yahoo to see if [email protected] shows up.? We wait and wait.? Going into the third day, but it is over a weekend.

As has previously been mentioned, accepting the invitation is the longest delay in the process, and is getting even longer and more and more transfer requests come in.

See?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/19692?for an explanation.

Regards,
Bruce

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 02:29 PM, Linda Jones wrote:

Sadly my existing transfers box says I have no transfers in process.

If you have none in process, it can only be because you didn't start one properly.

See?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/19673?for detailed instructions. Sounds like you need to resume at #7 on that list.

I’ve paid for my year of premium maintenance. I’ve invited [email protected] to my Yahoo group (several days ago).

Inviting the transfer agent is step 3...and you haven't completed step 2 yet. The transfer agent will not accept an invitation if you don't have a transfer pending.

Regards,
Bruce

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