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J,

[Renaming the "old" one] seems like a big loophole around Mark's
intention of not allowing reuse of a group name for a significant
period of time after a group has been closed.

I think it is a desired feature more than a loophole.

If a group wants to rename itself yet block access to their old name they can always create a new group under the old name. In fact I'd usually advise doing that as a place to hang a "We've moved" notice.

An even better feature would be if the rename reserved the old name for a limited time (a day maybe), making it available during that time only to the user that performed rename. That way there wouldn't be any "window of opportunity" for someone else to swoop in and take the name.

Shal

Thanks for your post.

The user's other option is to use the View/Reply Online link instead, and

compose the reply using the group's web page rather than Thunderbird.

His root problem is that clicking on these links does nothing. Could he have
set something to disable links? He was able to reply by right clicking on
the link which causes a menu to appear (presumably from Thunderbird) with a
"compose message to" option.

Noel

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 02:55 pm, Jeff Kane wrote:

Renaming the "old" one and creating a new one with the old name worked.

This seems like a big loophole around Mark's intention of not allowing reuse of a group name for a significant period of time after a group has been closed. Maybe it should be reported to him.

J

This is a situation I'd not even considered before it came up elsewhere, and I know of no mechanism to do so, but suspect it exists. ? It may be an "owner only" sort of control, it may be somewhere I haven't looked, or it may not exist at all.

Insights appreciated.
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Noel,

a) provides no quoting context

That's true. It has been discussed in beta@ but is difficult given that various email user interfaces behave differently with mailto: links.

Some don't support a "body" parameter (which would be needed to provide a quote of the original), and even where that is supported it could only be the whole original message - or a predetermined snippet of it - there's no mechanism to tell Thunderbird (or any other email interface) to place selected text from the current message into the new message composition.

b) uses the wrong (default) persona for the reply

That is also true. The mailto: link functions as a "New Message" command, not a "Reply" command. So there is no context Thunderbird can use to apply the correct persona; the user must manually correct the "From" address in the message composition window.

The original user was replying to a digest so the option to reply
directly will not be available.

Correct.

The user's other option is to use the View/Reply Online link instead, and compose the reply using the group's web page rather than Thunderbird.

Shal

Jeff,

I have no messages nor members yet. I didn't mean to make the
messages private. DOH! If I delete the group, can I recreate it again
with the same name, or does that name get locked out or something
like that?

As the other replies have implied, the deleted group's name is permanently marked as "used".

The DIY approach to this would be to rename the group rather than delete it. Rename doesn't leave the old name reserved. Immediately create a new group under the old name. Then you can have both groups open side-by-side in two browser windows while you copy settings and other content from the renamed group to the new group. Except don't copy the Privacy setting... ;-)

If you decide to rename the group, I suggest picking a gibberish name that no one would ever want (e.g. mash your fingers on the keyboard a few times). After you have your new group settled you can delete the renamed one, or not, at your leisure.

If you're patient you can try J's suggestion: ask [email protected] to change the setting for you. Explain the circumstances and there's a good chance it will get done... in a few days (there may be a backlog at support right now).

I'd actually like it if you'd ask support to do this. Being able to do it on your own (under your circumstances) is on the Groups.io To-Do list, and maybe your request will prompt some progress on the feature:


Shal

Hi Jeff,

What about going to Settings for your group and changing Privacy settings?
I believe you can't re-use the same group name if you delete your group.
However, there is a message from Shal saying that you could ask Mark to free up the name. (I used the new search and it found it! Hurrah!)
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/1557

Frances

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I have no messages nor members yet.? I didn't mean to make the messages private.? DOH!? If I delete the group, can I recreate it again with the same name, or does that name get locked out or something like that?

The user has suggested a new message delivery option he would prefer, a form of digest where it only sends emails once a day or so (as with the digest), sorted by thread, but as individual emails not a single digest email.

Noel

The original user has experimented further:

> When reading a mail in the digest, below the mail is a list of links including 'reply to group' which shows a sensible link in the bottom margin but seems to result in no action (hence my request).? Having dug deeper if I make right click it gives a submenu including 'compose message to' which works but seems unable to include highlighted text (though copy paste is easy).? The similar 'reply to sender' works in the same way.?

The failure to include highlighted? text is as mentioned, but is having to right click to reply a bug?

Noel

Further input from another user:

> Further experiment shows that using the links on the email:
a) provides no quoting context
b) uses the wrong (default) persona for the reply

> So it is not worth using the links on the email - use Thunderbirds own reply method.

The original user was replying to a digest so the option to reply directly will not be available.

Noel

I use Thunderbird, and used the "Reply to Group" link to send this message.

Cacky