On Oct 20, 2019, at 1:38 AM, Womens Grapevine <councilconsulting@...> wrote:

I want to help a number of local music groups get mailing lists off bcc to groups.io

i could have each group sign up with a separate accound but ideally I'd like to have them all under one umbrella account that I manage, even though they will have separate members and admins

a possible benefit I'd like from this is that there will be members who are involved in more than one group; eg member of the "Irish jam" group, and also of "old time fiddlers" or they join one group then later get involved in another.

From the sub-group perspective each should feel like an autonomous group

What do you think about having different organisations under an umbrella account like this? Any downsides?

My groups are for various music sessions: Irish, Scottish, Old Time, Waltz, Contra, and 'mixed' (some of the previous plus Bluegrass, Country, and more).

Occasionally I (or someone else) will send the same message to several or all of them, which means members of more than one group will receive duplicate ('cross-posted') messages. At those times I recognize that having a main (general) group with subgroups for each genre would be desirable. However subgroups have email and group addresses that are less intuitive - unless Groups changes that I will never allow subgroups.

If you are starting new groups to replace Bcc'ing, rather than transferring groups (at $110/group*), I recommend separate groups for each genre. This gives you the option of sending invitations or instructions on how to join to the existing Bcc addresses - OR if you wish to Direct Add members the cost is $10 for 1 month per group* which is an affordable option.
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If I were transferring existing groups with archives, etc (e.g. YahooGroups) the cost of $110 per group would push me to have a general group with genre-specific subgroups.


I believe you will still have to create Settings and manage Members, etc on multiple websites whether for subgroups or separate groups, even if you choose to have identical setting for each.

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Adam,
one point that I think you might not be clear on.? You can not create the [email protected] account on your yahoo group.? You have to invite that account to become a member.? Once Mark accepts the invitation then the moderator of the Yahoo group with membership rights has to elevate the [email protected] account to moderator.? None of the boxes need to be checked for moderator but the account must be in the moderator group.? If you can't do that and the moderator with those privileges is mia or will not do it then you are just stuck.? Is the problem that PA3DUV will not elevate that account to moderator (when Mark accepts the invitation)?? If he simply has not answered then it might be that he is incapacitated or SK.? Yahoo used to have a procedure for getting someone promoted to owner but that stopped when Verizon bought Yahoo.? I know because I can't even post to the Kenwood R5000 group because the owner is MIA.

Jim Pruitt

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 02:01 AM, Adam Farson wrote:

Repeated e-mails to the group owner have gone unanswered. Not even the impending “doomsday” of Yahoo Groups has caused him to respond to my request for this privilege. Thus, I am stuck. Is there any way of getting around this obstacle?

Adam -- There is nothing groups.io can do to help you. Keep trying to contact the group Owner, or plead your case to Yahoo Groups support.?

If you cannot get anyone's attention, your only option in this case is to abandon the Easy Group Transfer process and proceed to migrate the subscribers and group content manually. There have been many posts on this over the past few days, so read through the message archive for tips and advice on how to do a transfer "on the cheap."

As for getting your money back, you will have to contact [email protected]?on that one.

Sorry,
Bruce

Folks -- Appended below please find detailed instructions on how to conduct a transfer using the Easy Group Transfer method.

See also the new FAQ at?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/FAQ-on-Moving-from-Yahoo-Groups
To check status of an ongoing transfer:??/g/GroupManagersForum/message/19948

I will be re-posting this periodically for the benefit of all the new people that continue to flood in. My apologies for the inevitable dupes in your email inbox.

Regards,
Bruce

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Here is the process. It is not fully automated and will take several days. Do not do anything out of order.

The following instructions are for a full-width desktop/laptop display. This can all be done on mobile too, but it's a lot easier if you don't.

1.1 Create your groups.io group and configure it according to your needs. Help with group settings can be found here:??/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Quick-Start-for-Group-Formation?(Note: Each new group must be reviewed to confirm that it meets the Groups.io Terms of Service. This alone could take up to a day.)
1.2 To use the Easy Group Transfer, you must upgrade the group to the Premium Yearly plan.?You can downgrade to the Basic plan later (i.e.: a year from now), if you want.
To do so, select Admin>Upgrade from the left-side menu bar and click on the blue "View/Change Plan" button. Select "Premium Yearly" (one-time cost of $220) and make your payment.?
(You have now completed Step 1 of the instructions)

2.1 Return to the bookmarked page (/yahootransfer). Click on the big green button at the bottom that says "Set Up New Transfer."
2.2 Enter the name of your Yahoo group and the name of your groups.io group in their respective boxes. The groups.io group is conveniently selected from a pick-list of those groups that you own. Do NOT enter any domain information (i.e.:?leave off[email protected] or @yahoogroups.co.uk), just the group name.
2.3 Click the big green "Start Group Transfer Process" button at the bottom of the page.?
(You have now completed Step 2 of the instructions)

3.1 Go to your YAHOO GROUP (not your groups.io group) and log in. Send a membership invitation to "[email protected]". If you've never done this before, instructions can be found at??
3.2 Return to the bookmarked page?(/yahootransfer) once again. Select the group you are transferring from the Existing Transfers at bottom right (click on its link). A new page will come up, with?a status box at the top. If all is well, it should say: "We've received the invite to your group and will accept it soon. There is no need to send another invite." If it doesn't say that, the invitation did not go through. Go back to Step 3.1 above and try again.??
(You have now completed Step 3 of the instructions)

4.1 BE PATIENT. Accepting the invitation is often?the longest step in the process, and requires human intervention (solving a CAPTCHA).?
4.2 BE EVEN MORE PATIENT.?Do not send additional invitations in an attempt to hurry things up.
4.3 You will eventually receive an email from groups.io stating that the Yahoo group invitation has been accepted, and providing you with further instructions. Continue waiting until you receive this email.
(You have now completed Step 4 of the instructions)

5.1 Return to your YAHOO GROUP and log in. Find the "[email protected]" member record (sorting by join date is the easiest way) and promote it to a Moderator. Instructions for this can be found at?.
5.2 Return to the groups.io page that you bookmarked in #0.4 above one more time. Once again, go to the "Existing Transfers" at bottom right and select the group you're ready to transfer. On the resulting page, click the green "Give Go Ahead to Transfer" button.?
(You have now completed Step 5 of the instructions)

6.1 BE PATIENT AGAIN. The ability to actually do the transfer depends on how well Yahoo's servers are operating. We all know what that means, right? (If you want to check status, see?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/19948).
6.2 You may notice some activity in your new groups.io group, which probably reflects partial completion of the process. Do not panic. This is what you wanted to happen!
6.3 When the transfer is done, you will receive an email from groups.io summarizing what it was able to transfer. It will also list whatever things it was?NOT?able to transfer. Until this email is received, you aren't done yet.
6.4 Rejoice.

Most of us have "been there" with this process before and it all sounds easy in hindsight. Ironically, the same thing that's causing most people to abandon Y!G (server downtime) is exactly the same thing most likely to get in the way of completing the transfer process.?The best time to initiate a transfer is when Yahoo is performing well.?If you procrastinate until things are crashing and burning, delays, incomplete transfers, and other such frustrations can be expected.

Hope this helps,
Bruce
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I am trying to transfer the following Yahoo group to groups.io:

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This is an amateur radio technical group. The problem I am encountering is as follows: Although I am a moderator on this group, the owner pa3duv@...) did not give me the privilege of elevating members to moderator status. I have created the member [email protected], but cannot elevate it to moderator and am thus unable to start the transfer process.

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Repeated e-mails to the group owner have gone unanswered. Not even the impending “doomsday” of Yahoo Groups has caused him to respond to my request for this privilege. Thus, I am stuck. Is there any way of getting around this obstacle?

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I will be most grateful for any help or suggestions you can offer.

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Best regards,

Adam

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Susan P, no, I think Frances was answering my question. But our situations are similar. Mine differs in that my address for Yahoo group did not match ?address. I since have changed the Yahoo address to match.

On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 11:24 PM, Susan B wrote:

Bruce the page you linked to only talks about “Easy Groups Transfer.”

Sorry. I edited it so it now points to the correct page.

Bruce

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 12:27 AM, <mrsphbeardie@...> wrote:

Why do my invites require approval before they are sent out.?

See?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/20-Invitations-Limit

Regards,
Bruce

Frances,

Hi Shal,

Why do my invites require approval before they are sent out.?

Sally,

A few questions about the yahoo change

These may be covered in the Yahoo GroupManagersForum:

and would be more appropriate there.

That said (since you aren't a member of Y!GMF or YGOG):

1) Will digests stop after October 28? Or after December 13?

Good question. Pessimistically the 28th.

I think it depends on whetherthey stop storing even conversations at that point. If so then they'll have no copies of the messages from which to form digests.

2) If someone is still on digest after they stop, will they just get
no emails?

Another good question. I'm advising people switch their memberships to Individual Emails as soon as practical just in case.

3) Is there any easy way to switch 800+ accounts???

Tedious, but not difficult:

4) Will online editing of posts continue after Oct 28/Dec 13? (which?)
And if not, it seems like there would be no way to edit posts?

I presume you mean editing of Pending messages.

Again, good question. Yahoo says "admins will continue to have limited access to group settings and administration tools" - but which tools they haven't said. I'm optimistically hoping it includes all of the functions of the Pending Members list.

5) Looks like the member list will still be on the site, and editable
- correct?

Again, good question. I have to assume it will because it is the most fundamental administrative tool.

6) "No attachments" - will attachments to emails be allowed through
the system as a post?

I assume that means no storage for attachments, but that emails will go through with their attachments intact. Just as a precaution I'm setting my groups to:
HTML - Include Attachments in Email

Shal


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Hi

if you get your group transferred by the Groups.io transfer process from YahooGroups, your members just have to start using the new email address to send posts to your new home.
They will get email as usual, with the same settings.?

You can refer them to this - or copy the bits that you want to share with them:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/home

For new members, check the section on Member Notices-?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Quick-Start-for-Group-Formation

You will probably have more questions but please look at the info we volunteers put together for you!
Then ask!

Frances?
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Frances, will our group members get ?email messages from ?inviting them to sign up for our group on ? If they will, we need to hurry up and post our own message to our members.

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Yes, that is correct - exactly what I did. We’re working on our welcome message. For now, I de-activated it until we can decide exactly what to say. We plan to post our own message to our Yahoo group informing members of the coming change, so they won’t be surprised.