After turning off daily digest to isolate the problem; follow only definitely still not working as expected;

the settings I currently have are:
individual, follow only, automatically follow replies, no attachments

on manage my groups the indicator shows; individual F R A

I still get ALL group emails.

(once I understand why follow only doesn't work I'll go back and test the daily digest problem)

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I sent out one invitation email to three people. Two show sent in the status column, the third has this:

Deferred - 550 5.1.0 <66.175.222.12> This IP has sent too many messages this hour. IB504 <http://x.co/rlbounce>

What does this mean? Am I limited to only two email addresses per invitation per hour? (That would be a drag on my time!)

How do I not get it again?

Gerald wrote:

Is anyone else getting emails from Tony via his Out of office
auto-responder, or am I the only lucky one?

As Bruce said, I think it is likely that anyone who posted in the last day or so did. The cause, apparently, a very badly designed "out of office" autoresponder.


I noticed this about a quarter past midnight last night (07:16 UTC), when I received 16 replies as I was heading to bed.

I should have posted to the group about it at that time, just as reassurance that the problem was known and (hopefully) taken care of. What I actually did was set the member to No Email, write a note to myself in his member notes tab, reply to him sternly (cc GMF's +owner) about his autoresponder, delete the 16 message from him I received, reject one that landed in Pending, and go to bed.

Is there something broken / changed in groups.io's email addressing
that would make it easy for someone setting up an auto responder to do
a reply to sender?

There is nothing changed. The thing that is broken is this member's email interface, or at least the autoresponder part of it. 1) Autoresponders should never respond to any message with a List-ID header field. 2) Autoresponders should never respond to the same email address more than once in a 24-hour period. There are probably other "best practice" rules for autoresponders.

As I say this, it would seem that reply to sender would likely be a
default choice no matter where the email came from / via. If so, why
aren't we seeing more of these?

Probably because the problems with "broken" autoresponders have been known about for decades, and most email systems that implement the feature have taken the necessary precautions to prevent this kind of error. Starting with (1) above.

I am also not yet 100% convinced that this is just a normal OOF
responder running amok as some of the email addressing in email source
look a bit unusual.

I wondered a bit about that too. The claimed mailer is Apple Mail, which ought to know better, but the headers show routing through a security service called messagelabs.com and the use of a tracking system called Brightmail. All of that, plus the content of the message, suggest that the member is using a business-oriented email address to subscribe to the group rather than a standard consumer email setup.

Whatever the case, his email interface/service should have known better.

Shal


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On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 11:39 AM, Gerald Boutin wrote:

Is anyone else getting emails from Tony via his Out of office auto-responder, or am I the only lucky one?

I got them, too. Probably the only ones who didn't are those who haven't posted.

Is there something broken / changed in groups.io's email addressing that would make it easy for someone setting up an auto responder to do a reply to sender?

Not that I'm aware of. The autoresponder would simply have to ignore the reply-to field and instead send its response to the From: field. Some of the auto-responses I got were to messages I sent as early as Aug 28 but he didn't go out of town until today.

So something is seriously broken on his end, and his account has been placed on "no email" until he gets his act together.

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I got them too for threads I had participated in. He is away until Sept 18. I emailed the group owner address asking that he be put on Special Notice.

Frances

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Is anyone else getting emails from Tony via his Out of office auto-responder, or am I the only lucky one?

Overnight, I received a batch of replies to several posts I recently made on this group.

Is there something broken / changed in groups.io's email addressing that would make it easy for someone setting up an auto responder to do a reply to sender? As I say this, it would seem that reply to sender would likely be a default choice no matter where the email came from / via. If so, why aren't we seeing more of these?

I am also not yet 100% convinced that this is just a normal OOF responder running amok as some of the email addressing in email source look a bit unusual.

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Lloyd Lehrer,

can you tie the Database roster of members to the groups.io list of members to ensure everyone is in the database, and that there are no non-members in the database?

Charlie

Same here. 2 groups with a few integrations in each. I first noticed the problem, and posted a thread earlier this week, about not being able to ADD new groups. But the integrations I have were working. Now that I check, yes, not even the current ones are sending new posts, so there is certainly a change that has affected the service, and not in a good way.

I run two craft exchanging groups for ATCs and Cards – the swap lists for sign ups and partners are listed in the Database – I would be lost without the Database!!!

Best wishes
Jan
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Linda,

When a member is banned from a group, is that ban connected to their
email address ...?

Yes.

If it's the email address, can't they just create a new email address
and join again?

Yes they can.

If, as Frances suggested, you run your group with Restricted membership you might be able to recognize them when they try again, but maybe not.

The extra information available in the pending subscription notice may help with this, but even that isn't sure-fire if the person takes steps to conceal themselves. In particular no such information is available if they join by email (using the +subscribe email address on the group's home page).


The feature Marcio couldn't remember is the ability to ban domains. That's not likely to be useful against an individual troublemaker as they can get around it by choosing a popular service (Gmail, Yahoo Mail, AOL, etc.) to join your group, some domain you wouldn't be willing to ban.

Shal


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Linda,

Thanks Shal, after posting I changed from daily summary to individual mails, but only those I follow, just to See if That eliminated the threads I don't follow.

So far I think that is behaving as expected. Later I'll turn summary back on and see if it gets confused again.

J

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Linda,?

I will leave your query to another person,
However if you have a restricted group, you can screen potential members so that you must approve each one. That may weed out bad guys!
See?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Screening-New-Members-Using-the-Pending-Subscription-Notice
and in:
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Michael,

The content is the same, but the hashtags are different - so that make
these messages 'not really the same'?

Even though generated from the same event, what makes them not the same is that they were sent by different mechanisms (notice versus reminder). They didn't thread into the same Topic because neither is a reply to the other.

Shal


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On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 11:58 AM, <councilconsulting@...> wrote:

in this group in my email settings ?I have selected "daily summary" and in advanced settings I selected "what I follow" (sorry if I'm not using the exact setting name, I don't have the screen in front of me right now)

but I am getting Individual emails and not a daily summary, and I am getting All emails on all threads, not just those I have followed

are these settings not playing well together?

Ideally I would get a daily summary of ?emails in the threads I follow. ?Second best would be a daily summary of all. ?

Thanks.

Go back and make sure the settings changes were actually updated. There is a Save button down at the very bottom of the page that must be clicked to make the change. Sometimes this is overlooked.
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councilconsulting,

in this group in my email settings I have selected "daily summary"
and in advanced settings I selected "what I follow" ...
but I am getting Individual emails and not a daily summary, and I am
getting All emails on all threads, not just those I have followed

I don't know if the Daily Summary provides a summary of all Topics, or if it obeys the Following rules.

But I don't know why you would be getting individual emails instead.

n.b. Your GMF subscription is currently set to Individual Messages. Perhaps you changed it back?

Shal


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We are a charity knitting/crochet/sew group and databases are the most important part of our group. ?Each month we support different charities. ?I set up a database for each on so members can add their details if they will be supporting that charity. ?At the end of the month donations have to be posted so as each member sends off their contribution they record the date and tracking number and when it reaches the group member who is collecting parcels she marks them off as received. ?Without databases we would be lost!!

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