Re: Concerning Databases

#18601

Bob,
today I got a feedback from Ingrid concerning your suggestion. She had a seeing person help her to try it out, and it worked. She asked me to tell you this and to thank you.
Victoria

Re: Subscribe messages to owner's address going to some members

#18600

Shal did you receive the raw messages I tried to send you off-list?

I'm not sure whether the above messages here are meant to be relevant to me or not, but the messages I am talking about were sent only to the owner's address, and went to the group. I don't have a gmail address and I don't think gmail is involved in any way in my situation.

Trista

Re: Subscribe messages to owner's address going to some members

#18599

Gerald,

Although the OWNER and MOD email addresses are different, they both end up going to one GMAIL account. I think that GMAIL is intentionally only delivering one copy.

That's correct.

It is an aspect of Gmail, of which I'm not very fond, that if you receive multiple messages with the same Message-ID field Gmail will only put one in your Inbox. Similarly, if you have a message in your Sent folder and receive some more with the same Message-ID Gmail puts none of the received ones in your Inbox.

Shal

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Re: Subscribe messages to owner's address going to some members

Gerald Boutin

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I tried the same test and although I had the Owner and a Moderator account listening for +owner emails, I only received one email via the owner's email address. Note that both the owner and moderator accounts are both my accounts. The message was NOT sent to the group.

Although the OWNER and MOD email addresses are different, they both end up going to one GMAIL account. I think that GMAIL is intentionally only delivering one copy.

To test this, I repeated the test after adding another of my email accounts as another MOD listening to +owner messages. This account also ends up on GMAIL, but at a different GMAIL address. As expected, no message was sent to the group and I received one message in each of my gmail accounts.

So, from here it seems all is working as expected.

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Re: Subscribe messages to owner's address going to some members

#18597

Trista,

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The plot has now thickened. I just sent a test message to the +owner address and it went to the group.

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That's surprising. Does it appear on the group's Messages page?

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How do I send to you off-list?

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In GMF's Messages section click the Reply link under this message. Then, over to the right and below the text box click the silver Private button. That will change the green "Reply to Group" button to a blue "Reply to Sender" button. If you want to keep a copy of what you sent, chek the BCC Me box.

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By email, copy my address in the From field, then paste it into the To field of the message you send. How you do that will depend on the email interface you're using.

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Shal

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Re: Subscribe messages to owner's address going to some members

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Thank you very much Shal.

The plot has now thickened. I just sent a test message to the +owner address and it went to the group. I only got one copy, so it didn't come to the owner's address as well, and I definitely did not send it to the group address. The same seems to have happened to my co-moderator earlier today.

I can send you the raw version of my message to the owner as received via the group, but so far I haven't managed to access the raw version via my sent box... How do I send to you off-list?

Thanks again for your help!

Trista

Re: Randomly can't email a list I'm the Admin for from Gmail #notworking #bouncedemails

#18595

Thanks Shal! I did reach out to support and will share any useful information that I get from them on this issue.

Best,
Karen

Re: Subscribe messages to owner's address going to some members

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Trista,

A couple of members of one of my groups have contacted me saying they
are receiving subscribe messages, and some of the responses to them.That's very odd.

Unless you've promoted those members to the role of Moderator they should not be receiving either "Subscription Approval Needed" notices nor replies to the Pending Subscription notice sent to applicants.

The first time this happened seems to have been after I turned off my
own reception of these messages via the owner's address when I went on
holiday, but whether that's relevant or not I don't know.It isn't relevant to Groups.io, but maybe if someone got impatient with a perceived lack of response from you they could have CC'd or forwarded those messages to other group members (if they knew some email addresses).

I have a copy of the raw header for one of the messages received by a
member, but I don't really have the skills to read it.There are people here in GMF who can help you with that (myself included), but it isn't advisable to post the raw headers to the group as they likely contain personal identifiers (full names, email and IP addresses) that shouldn't be posted in public. You could post a redacted copy, or send it to me off-list if you want help with that.

Shal


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Subscribe messages to owner's address going to some members

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A couple of members of one of my groups have contacted me saying they are receiving subscribe messages, and some of the responses to them. The first time this happened seems to have been after I turned off my own reception of these messages via the owner's address when I went on holiday, but whether that's relevant or not I don't know. I can't think why it would be, but I've turned them off and on again to see if it makes any difference...

I have a copy of the raw header for one of the messages received by a member, but I don't really have the skills to read it.

Can anyone help?

Re: Please share your database use-cases #database

#18592

Yes adding fields to the member list would be awesome, even having some fixed contact fields would make a huge difference; address/primary phone

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On Sep 3, 2019, at 17:32, lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:

Jenny, it was Charlie that was asking about the tie up. I did not try to link the member list with the database. I presumed there might be coding that could be done, but I am too ignorant of the language used by to know. Also dont know why fields cant be added to the members list so we dont have to duplicate it or if someone? has asked for that of the development?team.

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

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Re: Database Rows

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As Duane said, that ID won't help once rows are deleted. ?Here's the reason why;?

the ID number in any database is assigned to each record (eg each person in the database) not to the row. You could scramble/re-sort the list and the numbers would move with their records. ?Eg

1 Betty

2 Carol

3 Alan

Sorted by name Becomes;

3 Alan

1 Betty

2 Carol

The ID ?number is thrown away with the record (eg person) when it is deleted, because it belongs to them uniquely and cannot be reused for another record. So if Betty is deleted the list is

3 Alan

2 Carol

So the integer you see is NOT a row counter like you'd see in excel, where each row has a number, and you can scroll to the end of a list to see the number of rows.?

Some databases don't even use integers for this unique ID. Sometimes it's a mix of letters and numbers, sometimes an email address could be used as a unique ID so long as it IS unique so 2 people don't share it!?

In that situation it is much more intuitively clear; the email address is deleted if the person is deleted; it is a part of their record. Same with the ID.

On Sep 3, 2019, at 22:56, Maureen <maureenthomasdesigns@...> wrote:

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Hi, I searched here as best I could but could not find an answer to my question.? I understand that column "ID" in a database contains row entry numbers and that an ID number is removed from view if its row is deleted.? So - the ID column does not represent row numbers.? Is there a way to determine the number of rows in a database without a visual count?

Thanks!

Re: Change of the name of group

Dario Gabrielli

#18590

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Ok. Dear friends. I solved my problem. Thank you

Ottieni

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Frances <frances@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 11:47:50 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [GMF] Change of the name of group

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Dario, see this page in the help Wiki.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Renaming-a-Group

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Re: Database Rows

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Just after I sent the question I scrolled all the way down and noticed the number in the right lower corner, but I didn't catch the moderator in time and it posted.? Thanks for the second obvious answer as well.

Re: I am unable to see any of the Admin Functions logging into the group I created.

#18588

First of all, make sure that you are logging in with the email address that you used to create the account.?In Groups.io, your email address is your account ID.

But if the label where you are finding the registered members is "members", then you must be logged in. If it says "directory", then you aren't getting on as an owner or moderator with permission.s

Others may have more advice - but see the GMF wiki - the URL is below.

Frances

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I am unable to see any of the Admin Functions logging into the group I created.

W5UHQ

#18587

For instance I see only 4 of 15 members.

I tried to retry those that did not get registered properly.

I can post to the group and read replies from the 4 that show up under
members.

How do I enter new email members....there is no Admin tab for me to change anything.

Re: Database Rows

#18586

the only way is the integer showing row count prior to next time you open the database.
If you delete a row and then add a row, the id increments by one, so the max ID is almost never an accurate row count

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Re: Database Rows

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On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 04:43 PM, lloyd lehrer wrote:

The bottom line ID should be the row count.

Only if no rows have been deleted, so won't work in this case.

Duane
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Re: Please share your database use-cases #database

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On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 06:07 PM, Pamela Tatt wrote:

All members can access the database page and all members can add and edit rows.

Provided that the settings allow it.? See /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Databases for details about the database settings.? There are also settings in the group Settings page that apply to databases.

Duane
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Re: Please share your database use-cases #database

#18583

Hi Jenny,

All members can access the database page and all members can add and edit rows.

Pamela

Re: Change of the name of group

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Dario, see this page in the help Wiki.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Renaming-a-Group

Frances
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