On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 12:58 PM, Andy W wrote:

The ICS files from the events I set up were received by my test group on Groups.io but not added to the Groups.io calendar. It does work from Outlook though.? I'll raise this with Mark.

Problem solved!? My test group had permissions set so that only Moderators could update the calendar and I sent requests from my Hotmail and Google accounts which do not have moderator privileges on that group. After changing the group calendar settings to allow posts from subscribers it all works fine.

It did highlight another point though in that event details emailed from subscribers reach the group and can show on an email recipients calendar because the attached ICS file is processed.? The Groups.io calendar is not be updated if the sender does not have permission and there's no indication or warning to indicate this.

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Hi,
I know this may well be considered a silly question but you know, sometimes we need to be the ones asking these. LOL
So here goes...
Can anyone tell me how, when, where (...) we use @username ?
For example, I've set my username as @Starboy (as far as I know), but don't know what it means. I mean, I don't know how it could be used.
I'd imagine this could be some kind of thing other users would use to "mention" the @ in question (such as the Twitter way), but I'm really not sure on this. If I'm right how it can be done? What happens when someone writes, for example, @Starboy in a message?

Thanks for any help and sorry for the silly question, as I'm sure this is.

As a relative newcomer to GMF, it was good to see an example of clear, courteous moderation from Shal.

My comments here are not about top/bottom posting, but follow on from some of the discussion on communication technologies and group standards in that thread. As is clear from the diversity of groups and their members shown in the posts, you need to pick such technologies and group standards as are appropriate to your group. There was a mention of a lowest common denominator in one post, but I think the appropriate arithmetical analogy is the highest common factor, and big decisions are:
- identifying the highest common factor for in-group communication
- achieving implementation of communication at that level
- deciding how to handle outliers (members who cannot achieve even the highest common factor).

To use the example of one of my groups, for the neighbourhood watch of which I am coordinator, I advocated e-mail as the primary communication mechanism as it seemed very clear to me that it was the lowest acceptable highest common factor of the 80-odd members, and we basically use groups.io as a reliable and private e-mail distributor. There were a few outliers among elderly residents who did not even have e-mail, so paper or landline phone was the fall-back for them (for critical messages), but the outliers have sadly diminished with time and mortality. Many members would have been happy to use social media of one kind or another (or a fuller use of groups.io capabilities) but I did not have the time to try migrating/upgrading and supporting the others. As it was, I had to give a moderate amount of support to some members, but not more than I had time to handle.

Interestingly, in terms of the previous "posting" thread, I have tried on a few occasions to educate group members on the strong desirability of changing the subject of an e-mail if they are just replying to an old e-mail to send a message on a new topic, but I have given up as I do not have the time to keep fighting even such basic niceties, and anyway "search" will find any content I seek.

Tim Mitchell.

You could put it in a message that you make "sticky" so it shows at the top of your messages screen always.
Or into your wiki and make that page sticky as Bruce said.

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On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 01:10 AM, D R Stinson wrote:

HTML has one big drawback for me that plain text doesn't. Everybody who posts in HTML seems to have their own peculiar preferences for font size and style. Some posts come in huge, seemingly 12 point or larger,?while other posters on some groups seem to post in 4 or 6 point sans serif fonts. Plain text lets my email handler?display messages using the font size *I* prefer, rather than what someone else wants to use.

Virtually any modern e-mail client will allow the override of font choice and font size when reading, while retaining everything else.

I'd be giving anyone who used 4 of 6 point size of any font grief, as that's "small print" in every sense of the word.? As to larger point sizes, well, I can read any of them.

But my main point being that if one wants to override font and point size choices one does not care for, yet retain things like bold, italic, embedded links, etc., it's simple to do under most modern e-mail clients.

It's any owner's right to set a group to plain text, but all members should be made aware of that upon joining, as it wouldn't be the default expectation these days.? It also saves them doing any number of things they might normally do with regard to formatting as they then know it would be stripped.? I know how to go back to old-style indications for _underline_ and *italic* (or is that bold) and similar and would use those conventions if I know I'm going to be converted to plain text.

In this day and age HTML is the de facto standard, and any random user not explicitly informed otherwise has every reason to believe that HTML format is going to be used.
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On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 02:21 PM, Owner wrote:

Can a link to the cloud site be somehow attached to my group?

Yes. You can put it in your wiki, on your group's home page, or in an [html-formatted] message. Messages and a wiki page can be made "sticky" to remain pinned at the top of your group's messages page, if that's desirable.

Putting such a link in the photos section itself is more problematical.

Be sure the link URL that you use is public. You don't want your subscribers to click on it only to be thwarted by a cloud service logon screen.
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On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 12:29 PM, Jim Pruitt wrote:

The file is/was a 55kb HTML file.? I tried multiple times with Waterfox (a Firefox 56 derivative), a Firefox (latest version) and Chrome.? All did the same thing.?

Jim -- Did the file contain any javascript, php, or anything like that? Such things are filtered from the message composition window...might be filtered from file uploads, too.

I have experienced no trouble uploading straight html.
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Gentle GMF Members,

I'd have to strongly agree with the points made by DR Stinson in his post above, especially in that plain text allows one (i.e., me) to set the display to a font/size that is comfortable for me to read.

The other reason for choosing to set my group to plain text only is that, by using HTML/rich text, it can permit invisible, executable malware/applets to sneak in undetected. For that bit alone I reason that plain text is a very useful better-safe-than-sorry option.

Also, with one of my groups many of the members are in a 3rd world country where some of them have very slow Internet service with limited bandwidth which makes plain text (and no piggybacking) important to them to help minimize download time, especially when they are billed by the minute while they are online.

Just FWIW . . . .

Paul M.
CostaRicaLiving
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The file is/was a 55kb HTML file.? I tried multiple times with Waterfox (a Firefox 56 derivative), a Firefox (latest version) and Chrome.? All did the same thing.? First I got a warning that the site was not secure.? That usually means the version of the site certificate is out of date.? Then it would show connecting to the 209.xxx.xxx.xxx IP address of Groups.io.? I pasted the exact error message into a couple of these posts.? The 55kb HTML file came from the Yahoo group site of the same name.? I could not move/copy that group because the moderator had long since abandoned the group.? I suspect that he either died or went into a nursing home.? I have been a member of that (yahoo) group for 3 years and I can't contact the owner as there is never a reply and he/she never approves my post so it dies after 14 days.? Also as I stated before,? I can upload other files,? just not that one.? I had tried by uploading only that file and it refused.? I wondered if that is why groups.io rejected all of the 41 files I tried to upload the first few times in one session.? The operating system is Windows 7 (64).

I do have a question in to support (Mark) so we will see what he says.

Thank you.

Jim

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 10:25 PM, Rob Bulnes wrote:

but in trying to upload a couple of video files (over 500 mb) the site seems to lock up.

Issues file large file uploads were also discussed here: /g/GroupManagersForum/topic/30953352
I've still had no update on the ticket I raised.

Andy

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 03:25 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

an ICS format attachment to a message (and possibly only works from at Outlook calendar).

I've just done some testing from Hotmail and Google Calendar web pages.? The ICS files from the events I set up were received by my test group on Groups.io but not added to the Groups.io calendar. It does work from Outlook though.? I'll raise this with Mark.

Andy

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On 6/9/2019 18:47, Shal Farley wrote:

Ken,

Pics end up inline with the msg, text anywhere I want to put it. Ergo:

Interesting that it looks inline while you're composing the message.

Your message arrived at Groups.io (and my email inbox) with only two elements: a text/plain message body and the image/jpeg attached photo.

I don't know if there's an option you could have used to change that. Gmail (including on Android) tends to send messages as text/plain only if you just type out text, it only switches to multipart/alternative to include an HTML formatted part if you use the text formatting tools.

I'm not sure if I can embedded my own pictures inline in Gmail on Android; I don't see the UI elements to do that.

Shal

I use Thunderbird as my MUA and gmail over IMAP. When I do this, Thunderbird allows me to set defaults and per email send types of plain or HTML. It also allows me to paste images inline.

Best,

Glenn

Frances,

i can reply with a photo from my iPhone. Here’s what it looks like.

Interestingly different from Ken's.

Yours had three parts: a text/plain message body, a text/HTML version of the message body, and an attached image/jpeg. In your case the text/HTML part encoded a reference to the image so that it would show up inline, after your name but before your group sig.

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Ken,

Pics end up inline with the msg, text anywhere I want to put it. Ergo:

Interesting that it looks inline while you're composing the message.

Your message arrived at Groups.io (and my email inbox) with only two elements: a text/plain message body and the image/jpeg attached photo.

I don't know if there's an option you could have used to change that. Gmail (including on Android) tends to send messages as text/plain only if you just type out text, it only switches to multipart/alternative to include an HTML formatted part if you use the text formatting tools.

I'm not sure if I can embedded my own pictures inline in Gmail on Android; I don't see the UI elements to do that.

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Amelia,

However, when I request an export of all photos, though the request
appears to go through correctly, I never get an email with a link to
download a zipfile of the data, either within about 10 minutes or
several months.

Presumably you've checked your Spam folder. Also in Gmail perhaps your alternate (Social, Promotions, etc.) Inbox tabs. Look for:

From: Groups.io Group Export Service <[email protected]>
Subject: Export of [email protected]

Where, of course, the Subject would name your group's posting address rather than my test group's.

Is there a known issue with the export function with large numbers of
files?

Not that I know of, but Mark has sometimes noted issues with it. Most recently in a BUGFIX here:

Otherwise, is there a way to request explicit help for this kind
of thing?

Yes, [email protected]

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On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 08:04 PM, Glenn Glazer wrote:

It equally irritates me when people assume that the disadvantages they have are ones everyone else has and that the tail of the lowest common denominator should wag the dog.

Amen, brother!!? ? One should presume what most people in most locations have.? ?Internet service through most of the world is, like anything supplied to a huge number of people, a normal distribution.? Assuming that the two tails of a normal distribution, those who have ultra high speed fiber optic internet service and those who have slow dial up, represent something that is within normal limits is inane.

One presumes to the median and one standard deviation to either side if you have any interest in what "most people" are dealing with, 68%, to be precise.? If one extends that to 1.5 standard deviations you're covering about over 90% of the total range of circumstances.

While I feel sorry for those who have to deal with dial-up or dial-up level speeds, they are not what anyone should be using as the target demographic for general practice, and haven't been for a very long time now.? ?If you treat those with the worst internet service as the ones who should be catered to then virtually everything most of the world has been doing with the worldwide web for decades now would not exist.? ?Sorry, but no.

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Maybe for you, but not for everyone.? It irritates me no end when people assume that everyone else has the advantages they do.

Duane

It equally irritates me when people assume that the disadvantages they have are ones everyone else has and that the tail of the lowest common denominator should wag the dog.

Best,

Glenn
Who lives in a rural area with not the best internet, but I make do as I can.