Amelia, However, when I request an export of all photos, though the request
appears to go through correctly, I never get an email with a link to
download a zipfile of the data, either within about 10 minutes or
several months. Presumably you've checked your Spam folder. Also in Gmail perhaps your alternate (Social, Promotions, etc.) Inbox tabs. Look for: From: Groups.io Group Export Service < [email protected]> Subject: Export of [email protected]Where, of course, the Subject would name your group's posting address rather than my test group's. Is there a known issue with the export function with large numbers of
files? Not that I know of, but Mark has sometimes noted issues with it. Most recently in a BUGFIX here: Otherwise, is there a way to request explicit help for this kind
of thing? Yes, [email protected]Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Re: To format or not to format... Is that the question?
On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 08:04 PM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
It equally irritates me when people assume that the disadvantages they have are ones everyone else has and that the tail of the lowest common denominator should wag the dog.
Amen, brother!!? ? One should presume what most people in most locations have.? ?Internet service through most of the world is, like anything supplied to a huge number of people, a normal distribution.? Assuming that the two tails of a normal distribution, those who have ultra high speed fiber optic internet service and those who have slow dial up, represent something that is within normal limits is inane. One presumes to the median and one standard deviation to either side if you have any interest in what "most people" are dealing with, 68%, to be precise.? If one extends that to 1.5 standard deviations you're covering about over 90% of the total range of circumstances. While I feel sorry for those who have to deal with dial-up or dial-up level speeds, they are not what anyone should be using as the target demographic for general practice, and haven't been for a very long time now.? ?If you treat those with the worst internet service as the ones who should be catered to then virtually everything most of the world has been doing with the worldwide web for decades now would not exist.? ?Sorry, but no. -- Brian
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On 6/9/2019 11:10, Duane wrote:
Maybe for you, but not for everyone.? It irritates me no end when people assume that everyone else has the advantages they do.
Duane
It equally irritates me when people assume that the disadvantages they have are ones everyone else has and that the tail of the lowest common denominator should wag the dog. Best, Glenn Who lives in a rural area with not the best internet, but I make do as I can.
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Re: To format or not to format... Is that the question?
On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 03:55 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
I strongly suspect that its [HTML formatted e-mail] bandwidth demands are rather less than the gross over - quoting that is so prevalent in some groups.
Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing!!? ? We have a winner!!? ? Your assertion is demonstrated repeatedly with one-line replies that have, literally, multiple pages of bottom quoted material that remains untrimmed (and if all of it happens to be HTML formatted, then all of what goes with that is dragged along, too). If you haven't got the bandwidth to handle HTML e-mail then browsing a couple of web pages of any modern newspaper will be well-nigh impossible.? ?There are things that could accurately be called a strain on those with constrained bandwidth, but HTML e-mail would be thousands of items down from the very top of that list. ? -- Brian
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Re: To format or not to format... Is that the question?
All, This thread seems to have outlived its usefulness, with little left but personal opinions, preferences, and postures. There are a couple more sitting in pending which I'll approve following this message, but can we wrap this up, agree to disagree where necessary, and call it good? I'm not actually locking this topic or declaring it "dead", yet, but if you are tempted to comment further please hesitate a moment and consider whether you're adding some new and useful information about the topic or not. This isn't the first time this subject has come up, and I'm pretty sure it won't be the last - it has long been a perennial topic in Yahoo Groups and other email lists I've used. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Re: Is there a filetype restriction?
On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 08:18 PM, Jim Pruitt wrote:
When I checked the group settings I do? not see any restriction on filetype or file size.? What am I missing?
One group of which I am a member has an on - line archive hosted elsewhere; a small number of the files on it are large, say in excess of 25 MB; some are 75 MB. It is commonly reported that some members have problems with downloads failing because something along the route goes wrong during the download and corrupts the document, (Everything is in pdf.) The speed of any download seems to be consistently rather slower than one might expect; much slower than anything revealed in a speed test. Unsurprisingly the hosting company denies the existence of any throttling. In the case in question download speeds are not the issue, but is it possible that any difficulties might be a function of upload speeds not being all that fast and / or that interruptions are occurring resulting in error messages appearing. I'm not trying to argue that there isn't a "file type" restriction, merely wondering if something else entirely might be responsible. Chris
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I recently transferred a group (CreekFleet) from Yahoo! to Groups.io. It turns out we have a?lot more images than I thought, and the group is pretty much at capacity.
Since I also run my own server, it is easy enough to set up a separate gallery. However, when I request an export of all photos, though the request appears to go through correctly, I never get an email with a link to download a zipfile of the data, either within about 10 minutes or several months.
Is there a known issue with the export function with large numbers of files? Otherwise, is there a way to request explicit help for this kind of thing?
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On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 05:19 PM, Epicatt2 wrote:
I'm sure not everyone will agree with me here, but that's what makes for diversity.
Well I don't for one, not least because on an intellectual level it can be argued that a society that includes boy racers, road ragers, graffiti artists, muggers, internet trolls and so on is "better" because without them that society would be less diverse. Chris
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Re: To format or not to format... Is that the question?
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 08:49 PM, Jim Fisher wrote:
I my opinion, HTML in emails wastes bandwidth and achieves little of benefit to
anyone,
I have no idea about the relative bandwidth requirements of HTML v non - HTML, but I would certainly disagree with your assertion that it " achieves little of benefit to anyone". I strongly suspect that its bandwidth demands are rather less than the gross over - quoting that is so prevalent in some groups. Chris
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Re: To format or not to format... Is that the question?
On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 01:02 PM, Marv Waschke wrote:
now that bandwidth, storage, and compute cycles are so abundant
Maybe for you, but not for everyone.? It irritates me no end when people assume that everyone else has the advantages they do. Duane -- Help: /static/helpGMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiSearch button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions
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On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 12:19 PM, Epicatt2 wrote:
Even so it seems to me that an optional profanity filter which would be editable based upon one's group and it's thrust could still be useful.
I doubt that anyone could argue this.? Optional being the key word, and editable based upon the standards of a given venue. Those who want it can use it, and those who don't, don't have to. ? -- Brian
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Re: To format or not to format... Is that the question?
@Glenn -- Couldn't agree more. I used to worry about this stuff, but now that bandwidth, storage, and compute cycles are so abundant, I no longer care. Top quote, bottom quote, use html, encrypt and decrypt to your heart's content. Passing back and forth a string of wordy html emails that starts at the beginning of time takes fewer resources than almost any amount of YouTubing.? It doesn't make a dent in the wealth of resources we enjoy today. It's the 21st century.
On the other hand, use plain ASCII if you like and hang to your familiar equipment. My only caution is security. Folks should realize that the old gear and software may feel more secure because cybercrime was not as prevalent in the past, but old equipment and software is usually quite easy to hack into. Sysadmins used to think it was a routine part of their job.
Best, Marv
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Re: To format or not to format... Is that the question?
That depends on what speed of internet connection you have. Some, especially at
busy times, are not much faster that the old dial-up (and some people may still
be forced to use that).
Jim
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On 8 Jun 2019 at 13:23, Glenn Glazer wrote: On 6/8/2019 12:16, Jim Fisher wrote:
I my opinion, HTML in emails wastes bandwidth This made sense back in the days of acoustic modems. It makes no sense now.
Best,
Glenn
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Thanx to all who replied to my original question. Those replying have offered some sensible and varied suggestions which were useful points of view for me to consider. Even so it seems to me that an optional profanity filter which would be editable based upon one's group and it's thrust could still be useful. That of course presumes that a group's moderating team well understands both their group's intent and its membership. I'm sure not everyone will agree with me here, but that's what makes for diversity. Much Appreciated! Paul M. CostaRicaLiving /g/CostaRicaLiving==
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Re: Is there a filetype restriction?
It might be time to do the browser ritual, trying different browsers like Firefox, Internet Explorer, Chrome, Opera, and maybe some others. Disable Antivirus also just while you're uploading any file. It may be an overly ambitious anti-malware program giving you the message about an insecure site.
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On June 9, 2019 9:17:06 AM "Gerald Boutin" <groupsio@...> wrote: Jim,
Others, including myself, can upload html files without issue.
Please provide specific details such as what UI you are using to upload the file, device details (computer / smart phone / tablet?), browser or email, file extension, file size, etc. Perhaps then we can figure out what is going wrong for you.
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Re: Is there a filetype restriction?
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:30 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
If there is a file size restriction, what is the maximum file size
that can be uploaded?
It looks like the limit is 20 MB.
That's a pretty old message. You might post a suggestion in beta that the current limit be displayed on the upload page and/or elsewhere more visible.
Issues file large file uploads were also discussed here: /g/GroupManagersForum/topic/30953352I've still had no update on the ticket I raised. Andy
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Re: Is there a filetype restriction?
Jim,
Others, including myself, can upload html files without issue.
Please provide specific details such as what UI you are using to upload the file, device details (computer / smart phone / tablet?), browser or email, file extension, file size, etc.? Perhaps then we can figure out what is going wrong for you.
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On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:56 PM, Jim Pruitt wrote:
As Mark said,? my problem must have been because I tried to upload a series of files that exceeded the 20mb total but no file was over 10mb and most were well under that.? As a test tonight I tried to upload an HTML file (or which was the one and only html file in the 42 files I was trying to upload to the files section) and I got a message saying that the (groups.io) server was insecure.? Then after 10 or 15 seconds I got the "can't connect" message.? So apparently we can't upload HTML files even though Mark said there were no restricted filetypes.
Thank you.
Jim
On 6/8/2019 2:00 PM, Rob Bulnes wrote:
And is there a file size restriction? I know every time I try to load a large file it just hangs.
On 7 Jun 2019 at 23:13, Jim Pruitt wrote:
Mark said that he did not know of a filetype restriction but thought it
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Re: Is there a filetype restriction?
Hi Jim We upload a great many HTML files in our group so that can¡¯t be the cause of your problem. That said, they are all quite small so size may still be an issue for you. Sue ? >So apparently we can't upload HTML files even though Mark said there were no restricted filetypes.
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Re: Is there a filetype restriction?
For what it is worth, I had to upload a considerable number of pictures to the Photo folder when we moved from Yahoo, and I did find that, if I tried to do too many at once, the system froze.? I don't remember what "too many" meant, I'm afraid. I just learned to do them in small batches.
Peter
On 09/06/2019 02:46, Jim Pruitt wrote:
As Mark said,? my problem must have been because I tried to upload a series of files that exceeded the 20mb total but no file was over 10mb and most were well under that.? As a test tonight I tried to upload an HTML file (or which was the one and only html file in the 42 files I was trying to upload to the files section) and I got a message saying that the (groups.io) server was insecure.? Then after 10 or 15 seconds I got the "can't connect" message.? So apparently we can't upload HTML files even though Mark said there were no restricted filetypes.
Thank you.
Jim
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Re: Is there a filetype restriction?
As Mark said,? my problem must have been because
I tried to upload a series of files that exceeded the 20mb total
but no file was over 10mb and most were well under that.? As a
test tonight I tried to upload an HTML file (or which was the one
and only html file in the 42 files I was trying to upload to the
files section) and I got a message saying that the (groups.io)
server was insecure.? Then after 10 or 15 seconds I got the "can't
connect" message.? So apparently we can't upload HTML files even
though Mark said there were no restricted filetypes.
Thank you.
Jim
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And is there a file size restriction? I know every time I try to load a large file it just hangs.
On 7 Jun 2019 at 23:13, Jim Pruitt wrote:
Mark said that he did not know of a filetype restriction but thought it
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