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Re: forms #files

 

David how about using Google Sheets, so members don¡¯t by need to have excel?


Re: EMAIL ISSUE

 

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 07:13 PM, Ellen Bourne wrote:
Hi, one of the members try to send the below email to the group which we did not receive.? He had to resend.?
The usual scenario is that someone attempts to send a message using an email address that is not subscribed to the group. Since he has already forwarded the message he originally sent to you, compare the email address in the From field against the one that appears in his member record.

Hope this helps,
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Re: EMAIL ISSUE

 

Ellen,


Hi, one of the members try to send the below email to the group which we did not receive.?

Does your group's Activity log show any "attempted to send" items corresponding to that date and time? If so, what was the message?

Did the member get back a failure notice from his email service? If so, what did it say?

Was there an issue with the email today.

Nothing listed here:

Shal


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EMAIL ISSUE

Ellen Bourne
 

Hi, one of the members try to send the below email to the group which we did not receive.? He had to resend.? Was there an issue with the email today.? He emailed at 11:36 am and 2:49 pm it never went.? See the below note he emailed me.

Ellen,
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As you can see below I sent this message out at 11:36 a.m. it is now 2:49 p.m. and it still hasn¡¯t been posted. Is this normal?
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Jim

Begin forwarded message:

From:?James [redacted]
Date:?April 22, 2019 at 11:36:25 AM EDT
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Thanks Amy!

Many thanks to Amy [redacted] for her wonderful work planning and running the annual Easter egg hunt. What a great day! Also thanks to all who followed her lead and helped make the day so special. Next time you see her tell her how special she is.

-
Ellen Bourne

"When things in your life are not adding up, it's time to start subtracting."


[personal information redacted by moderator]


Re: customizing lock topic response message

 

Glenn,


Is there any way to customize this to something more specific to our group and less technical?

No.
The only part of the message that comes from Groups.io is the numeric status code and the text one-liner. All the rest is boilerplate from the recipient's email service (often called "mailer daemon").

An improvement has been suggested in beta, but not acted on due to "reasons". You could chime in there in support of the suggestion.

There are ways to mitigate the risk of backscatter, but probably not without using a DMARC-like scheme to authenticate incoming message posts, something that Groups.io has been reluctant to do (but I think they should).

Shal


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customizing lock topic response message

Glenn Glazer
 

Right now, what one gets if one replies to a locked message, one gets a rather unfriendly Delivery Status Notification (Failure) message which looks all the world like the group failed to a non-technical user who might miss the explanation of the HTTP 500 in smaller print.

Is there any way to customize this to something more specific to our group and less technical?

Best,

Glenn

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Re: forms #files

 

Lacking a built-in questionnaire function, I'd suggest sending a PDF fill-in form.

If you don't have Adobe Acrobat you can still take any existing PDF file and add text fields using online tools. One of them is (no affiliation).

Some folks who use the Restricted method for Spam Control instead use the Pending Subscription notice to send a questionnaire. Responses go to the +owner address and can be reviewed later by clicking the "+owner Messages" button in their member record.

Hope this helps,
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Re: forms #files

 

Thanks. In the end I put up an Excel file up, and asked members to fill it in , save as PDF file, and send to me.
Not very elegant and doesn't work if they don't have Excel.
Cheers
David


On Mon, 22 Apr 2019, 14:24 Shal Farley, <shals2nd@...> wrote:
David,

?> Hi, Can I create infill able forms for members to return using
?> Group.io tools?

The only form-like tool in Groups.io is the Database.

You can create a table, and set the table properties so that members can
view the table but not edit the table properties, and can add rows but
edit only their own rows.

You can set how many columns the table has, and what type of information
goes in each column. When someone adds or edits a row they see a simple
"form" page with fields to fill in for each column's data.

A possible downside to this scheme, depending on your application, is
that members will be able to see each others' rows. There does not
appear to be a setting that will let them view only their own rows.

Shal


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Re: Groups.io site updates #changelog

 
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Anita,

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Does this mean that my members will be charged to use ?
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Only if you (the group owner/moderator) decide to charge a fee for joining your group.
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And, only if your group is on the Premium or Enterprise plan - this feature will not be available to Basic groups.
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See the tentative help page for the feature here:
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There are also some topics in the beta group discussing how it might work.


Shal
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Re: Groups.io site updates #changelog

 

On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 01:09 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
Work on adding the ability to charge for subscriptions.

Does this mean that my members will be charged to use groups.io?


Re: Banning

Brian Vogel
 

On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 10:09 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
While sometimes better than nothing, note that using an IP address to identify someone has limitations.
Just a quick addition:? Where I am accustomed to using this it's really not generally being used to identify someone, per se, but "some source."? ?We frequently get "spammer farms" that can be instantly eliminated by using IP as the ban filter.? We don't care anything about the specific "who," but that the specific who is originating at a specific "where."
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Wiki Updates Links on Feed Page

 

I can see that Bruce has updated the Wiki with a page about the 20 invitations limit.? On the Feed page though, the link about this in the Wiki Updates section for GMF points to the Chats page.

A bug I suspect which I'll report to support.

Andy


Re: forms #files

 

David,

Hi, Can I create infill able forms for members to return using
Group.io tools?
The only form-like tool in Groups.io is the Database.

You can create a table, and set the table properties so that members can view the table but not edit the table properties, and can add rows but edit only their own rows.

You can set how many columns the table has, and what type of information goes in each column. When someone adds or edits a row they see a simple "form" page with fields to fill in for each column's data.

A possible downside to this scheme, depending on your application, is that members will be able to see each others' rows. There does not appear to be a setting that will let them view only their own rows.

Shal


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Re: Groups.io site updates #changelog

 

On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 09:09 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
BUGFIX: Work to fix a parsing bug in Outlook for ICS files with
newlines in the description.
This relates to /g/GroupManagersForum/topic/integration_with_google/14297032

Regards,
Andy


forms #files

 

Hi, Can I create infill able forms for members to return using Group.io tools?
thanks


Groups.io site updates #changelog

 

Hi all,

This week's change log:



Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.


The next #changelog will be on May 3rd.
Because Mark is on vacation until April 29th.


NEW: New Monthly Reminder member notice. These are sent on the 1st of
the month, and you can have multiple active ones.
This may solve an inconvenience for groups that have reminders which they don't want to be part of the formal Guidelines page.


CHANGE: You cannot like messages in locked topics.
Discussion in beta indicates that this one has gone back and forth a few times.

The prevailing thought is that adding Likes on a locked topic is a kind of changing history. Or that it somehow leads to ongoing discussion of the topic (within new topics or off-list wasn't made clear). Given that no one is notified of Likes (presently) I'm not sure how this came to be a concern.


Comments about these are welcome:

INTERNAL: Work on adding the ability to charge for subscriptions.
BUGFIX: Work to fix a parsing bug in Outlook for ICS files with
newlines in the description.
INTERNAL: More changes to automate the process of adding enterprise
groups.

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal


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Re: Banning

 

On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 05:41 PM, Duane wrote:
On paid groups, you can ban domains though
The Wiki page on Banned Domains will give you some guidance:

/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Banned-Domains

Andy


Re: Banning

 

Donna,

In my case, I don't think the offender will try that but, even if she
does, my group requires approval and I can just get the IP off the
application.
While sometimes better than nothing, note that using an IP address to identify someone has limitations.

On the false positive side, often an entire household, office, library, dorm, or other location will use a single IP address at its internet router. In some cases entire cities can be behind a single IP address.

On the false negative side a person may be able to be assigned a new IP address as simply as turning their cable/fiber modem/router power off and on again. Or they can temporarily use their phone as a WiFi hotspot. Or they can go to another location. Or they can use a VPN (Virtual Private Network) to route through a different IP address.

All of those, the false positive and negative, are probably unlikely for most would-be group members. But someone persistent enough may try those if they find that simply getting a new email address didn't work.

Shal


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Re: Invitees on hold until "approved"

 

On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 06:52 PM, Laurie Ceccarelli wrote:
Thanks for the explanation.? I will do as you suggested and send the remaining invites out at once.? ?
Happy to help.

I've also added a wiki page at?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/20-Invitations-Limit, as this question seems to come up on a fairly regular basis.

Regards,
Bruce
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Re: Invitees on hold until "approved"

 

Thanks for the explanation.? I will do as you suggested and send the remaining invites out at once.? ?

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Laurie C.?