On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 01:48 PM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:

you can only delete 20 rows at a time

That's only true if you have your account preference set for 20 lines per page or infinite scroll.? If you set it to 50 or 100 lines per page, you can delete that many at once.? There are still a few instances, such as a database, where infinite scroll doesn't behave as it should.

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Bill,
I just scanned the WIKI instructions for Databases and nowhere did I find recommendation for saving your basic schema frequently as you progress.
You should save it in json format so that you have something to (re)start with if needed or to copy to start a new database.
I've also found it's a lot better to have a small sample of test information preset in a .csv file that can be easily and quickly imported for testing.? If it reflects what your DB should look like it will load correctly, else you have a problem.
If you have to make changes to your database it's best to keep your test file below 20 rows because you can only delete 20 rows at a time.? Easy in, easy out.

I've also found that there are different displays for free groups and prime/Enterprise groups.
If you have postal addresses in a field,?Free groups only see the database and get an automatic link below it that says (MAP) which takes you to Google Directions.??Prime and Enterprise groups see a Map with the list below it.

My words of wisdom are save, save, save!
BTW, the json file is utf-8 and will show little white plus signs inside black shapes in place of invalid characters.
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Mike,

With all due respect you already do it for because of DMARC. Since
you already know HOW to do it, it would seem a simple task to allow it
as a subscription option.

Of course it is not impossible for Groups.io to create such a feature.

As Duane mentioned, I said it is impossible for a member or a group owner/mod because the feature does not currently exist in Groups.io.

Questions about exactly how it should work and who should be able to choose it have been discussed extensively in the beta group. The search term you want is "anonymous".


When posting at beta please keep in mind that the purpose of that group is to suggest and discuss improvements to the service. Remember too that
your primary audience is Groups.io, in particular Mark Fletcher - who has already read all of these discussions and considered them. Debating with "voices from the gallery" wastes his time and yours unless it serves to further refine your suggestion.

If I recall correctly Mark never said that he couldn't or wouldn't implement an anonymous feature. Just that it is not at the top of his priority list. But if you are serious about wanting to advance this feature I suggest you begin by evaluating for yourself what's been said already.

Shal


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Best Regards, Kenneth

On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 11:13 AM, Michael Cope wrote:

With all due respect you already do it for because of DMARC.

The email address isn't removed, just munged.? Anyone with a bit of determination can easily figure out what they really are.

As noted earlier, WE don't do it because we're only users.? Groups.io management doesn't follow this group.

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I have seen several postings from folks claiming impossible....can't be done....etc

With all due respect you already do it for because of DMARC.? Since you already know HOW to do it, it would seem a simple task to allow it as a subscription option.

I'm just sayin'

Mike

On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 08:09 AM, Rox wrote:

I’m just wondering what you mean by “charge for subscriptions”.

This is in reference to group owners being able to charge subscription fees for their group -

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Thanks for that help.

I selected "Link" and it works fine

However, in Column 2, I selected "Image" but how to proceed past that eludes me.

Where do I input the image source ?

I see nothing that directs me to an image input or upload screen.

Hi Shal! Thanks for everything and keeping us up to date!

I’m just wondering what you mean by “charge for subscriptions”. I love Groups.io and think my members would happily pony up for it, but I’d like to prep them in advance.?

Thx again!?
Rox

Hi all,

This week's change log:



Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

INTERNAL: Work on adding the ability to charge for subscriptions.
INTERNAL: Added ability to redirect from one enterprise domain to
another.
BUGFIX: Fixed weird timeout issue when downloading huge archives using
the /downloadarchives API endpoint.

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal


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I have several members reporting they are not receiving the original version of a message, just any replies to it.

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

Thank you.

Bill Shaheen
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Beno?t,

Do you have a idea to do?
[merge old messages to one's current subscription]

Thinking out loud...

I think there are two distinct approaches to the problem.

Also, I think I'm talking about a circumstance that only arises as a consequence of the Easy Group Transfer from a Yahoo Group. Messages From addresses which had Bouncing status in the Yahoo Group are copied, but then they are left in a kind of limbo - not connected to any subscription in the Groups.io group.

I'm not going to address it now, but a possible future use for this mechanism would be to recover linkage to messages from subscribe addresses that subsequently become defunct. These would be addresses in "Bounced" status because the email service involved has disabled the address. Presumably the (former) user of that address would want to connect their old messages to their new email address.\


1) Gather all the posts From the defunct address into a "virtual account" and then merge that account with the current account.

This approach would leverage the existing merge account feature, but the missing piece is that "virtual account" and an ability to log into it to perform the merger. A consequent downside to this approach (or maybe it is an upside?) is that it would merge messages from the defunct address in all of its group subscriptions.

1a) I think a moderator of a Premium group can actually create an account for the defunct address by using Direct Add. This creates a real account for the address, but one that no one can log into (no one can receive the requisite login by email message). So ends this idea, unless we convince Mark to implement some way to get around the problem.

Also, since the email address is presumed defunct, the account would immediately go to "bouncing" status (the automatic "you've been added" message would bounce, even if the new subscription were promptly set to No Email). I don't know if this complication matters. It is clearly secondary to the problem that no one can log into it.

So maybe the thing to ask Mark to do is provide a way for a group moderator to access the account of such an account (one created by Direct Add, and never logged in). Specifically the Change Email control, which would trigger the merge if the current address were specified. Like Direct Add itself, this might be limited to Premium groups.

Another complication is that I don't know that the messages from the defunct address would automatically become linked to an account / subscription created this way. That's clearly a necessary part of this approach.

1b) Instead of working with a real account, perhaps ask Mark to create a way for group moderators to create and access a "virtual account" on behalf of a defunct email address in the group's messages. As in (1a) a necessary part of this approach is the automatic linkage of the messages to the corresponding virtual account.

This method wouldn't necessarily be tied to the Premium group plan, but Mark might want to make it so.

2) Ask Mark to create a means for a group moderator/owner to set the subscription linkage for a message which doesn't have one. This might be similar to the feature already implemented that allows mods/owners to change the Owner of a photo or photo album.

In some ways this might be simpler to implement, but it might provoke more fears of abuse.

Also, it would be too tedious for words unless there were a way to perform it in bulk. So one is back to needing at least a "virtual subscription" so that there's a posterid to search for (that's the key to the "All Posts By This Member" function). But this one would be simpler, as it would only need to provide a posterid, no need to have anyone "access" it.

Shal


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Shal,

On 13 Apr 2019, at 00:27, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Ken,

Spam from hacked Yahoo accounts is very common but the common type
always has the account’s display name but a random non-Yahoo address
as the sending address.

That wouldn't be a hacked Yahoo account.

It would be the account belonging to the sending address which was created or compromised ("hacked") in order to send the message. The false Display Name means nothing to the email system; it serves only as enticement for naive recipients to read the message.

Yes, agreed. That is the sort of message I have received on many occasions.

I've seen a lot of this type of spam (phishing, mostly) with a Display Name purporting to be a government agency, or well-known company, or myself, or someone I know. Once upon a time the crooks would set up their own servers and spew such messages with a falsified ("spoofed") email address (as well as Display Name) of the legit entity. But receiving email services have upped their anti-spoofing game to the point where such messages are rarely delivered. So the crooks now mostly use real email addresses, honestly stated in the From field, falsifying only the Display Name (and the content, of course).

Yes, likewise, the ones I’ve seen show a valid Yahoo account Display Name to fool the recipient into opening but with a correct, unknown, non-Yahoo sending address. My mail client just shows the Display Name unless the cursor is hovered over it at which point the real, unknown sending address is displayed.

However, the spam messages we have had in the past few days on our
group actually appear to be coming from Yahoo mail servers and I’m not
convinced that the user’s account hasn’t been hacked.

That is quite likely the case, for the above reason. Stolen (or guessed) credentials for legit email addresses are a hot commodity in the black market. In the View Source, compare the domain in the From: field to that shown in the Authentication-Results field for the spf=pass mailfrom result. If those match then that's strong evidence that the message actually came from the user's account.

Oh dear. As I feared, they’re the same. It looks like our user has a problem. I have contacted him on one of his other addresses to warn him.

If those two don't match, or if they do but the SPF failed, then you've got a spoofed From field on your hands. That would mean that the message actually came from somewhere other than the domain in the From field.

Shal

Again, many thanks. I’ll remember to check the Authentication-Results field as you suggested in the future.

Regards,

Ken

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Ken,

Spam from hacked Yahoo accounts is very common but the common type
always has the account’s display name but a random non-Yahoo address
as the sending address.

That wouldn't be a hacked Yahoo account.

It would be the account belonging to the sending address which was created or compromised ("hacked") in order to send the message. The false Display Name means nothing to the email system; it serves only as enticement for naive recipients to read the message.

I've seen a lot of this type of spam (phishing, mostly) with a Display Name purporting to be a government agency, or well-known company, or myself, or someone I know. Once upon a time the crooks would set up their own servers and spew such messages with a falsified ("spoofed") email address (as well as Display Name) of the legit entity. But receiving email services have upped their anti-spoofing game to the point where such messages are rarely delivered. So the crooks now mostly use real email addresses, honestly stated in the From field, falsifying only the Display Name (and the content, of course).

However, the spam messages we have had in the past few days on our
group actually appear to be coming from Yahoo mail servers and I’m not
convinced that the user’s account hasn’t been hacked.

That is quite likely the case, for the above reason. Stolen (or guessed) credentials for legit email addresses are a hot commodity in the black market. In the View Source, compare the domain in the From: field to that shown in the Authentication-Results field for the spf=pass mailfrom result. If those match then that's strong evidence that the message actually came from the user's account.

If those two don't match, or if they do but the SPF failed, then you've got a spoofed From field on your hands. That would mean that the message actually came from somewhere other than the domain in the From field.

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Shal,

Many thanks for the information. Spam from hacked Yahoo accounts is very common but the common type always has the account’s display name but a random non-Yahoo address as the sending address. However, the spam messages we have had in the past few days on our group actually appear to be coming from Yahoo mail servers and I’m not convinced that the user’s account hasn’t been hacked. Thanks to your information as to how to view the source, this appears to be the case. If it is, I hope this is due merely to poor hygiene on the part of the user and not another round of Yahoo security breaches.

Again, thank you for the information.

Kind regards,

Ken

Ellen,

Ya, this wasn't a "posted message" by a member, it's a notice from the system to alert group members that "someone" (in this case, [redacted]) uploaded a file (in this case, "Rules.txt") to the "Files" folder.??

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I am fairly new to Groups.io and have the same 'issue'.? It doesn't matter what size the photo is when it is uploaded, it is blurry on a desktop screen (it is fine on a phone).?

I have uploaded a photo at 4000x 3000 (shows as 3.9 mb on the groups.io ) and a reduced version (to save space) at 1280x960 (shows as 1.1 mb), and they are both blurry when selected from the album,? If I select download, I get a crisp clear image on the screen so the image has not been corrupted during the upload.