On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 02:34 AM, Marcia Hudspeth wrote:

Is there a way to put Photo Album's in alpha order?

Yes.? On the Photos page, select "Sort By Title ^" from the drop down at the upper right.? Your choice now becomes the default for all of your groups.? This feature/option to remember your sort order should be available for photos within an album in a few days.

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On 24/03/2019 15:30, Shal Farley wrote:

Doug,
I don't recognize you from Y!GMF, if you'd like some advice in trying to get your new address connected to your group contact us over there.

Hi Shal

and Thanks for your email.

I only signed up for Groups Managers Forum today, my thanks for the help and further offers of help.

> There seems to be nothing I can do except pay them money (which I
> won't do) to talk to a real live person, and who may be unable to help
> anyway..
Be cautious with anyone asking for money. There are a lot of scam outfits out there pretending to be Yahoo Customer Care.

This is actually on the yahoo site, so should be quite OK. Nevertheless, I'm not going to get caught in there at what I see is a dead end.

On the other hand there is a relatively new Yahoo! Account Pro service, which is paid, but given that your primary concern is a access to a Yahoo Group they probably won't know how to do that.

What I see is not good. I think it is going to be a move to Groups.io. After my experiences through the years, this is the way for me to go.

If you can still sign in to your Yahoo Account, the one that owns the Yahoo Group, then you can do what you need without email access.

No, I simply cannot sign in. However, I *can* received postings by members of this group, and reply to them by altering the headers, but I simply cannot enter the group itself to make any changes.

> My group has one co-moderator who could use his email address. Would
> this work?
As long as he can invite someone (the transfer address) to join the group, and then promote that new member to moderator status, then yes. He could do the Yahoo tasks for your group.

He may be able to sign me in as a new member, if I use my brother's name or somesuch illegal stuff, but I doubt that he could sign me in and then promote me to owner, not being one himself. He has been co-moderator for 2 or 3 years, but I can't remember what privileges I gave him, probably not too high to avoid anyone trying to take over the group, although he is a fellow collector, well-known in his circles, (I'm in New Zealand, he's in US) I trust him, and I doubt any problems would arise. We are fellow collectors of old toy trains, especially two makes of Japanese.

I may get him to download all the many photographs which we have there, and later transfer them to the new site, after which we can simply abandon yahoo. The text messages are hardly worth saving.

It is the privilege to promote a member to moderator that you might not have given him as a moderator. Many owners are hesitant to give out that privilege as it is effectively all-powerful, second only to being an owner.

See paragrph above..

> He could become a co-owner of the new group.
That would allow him to do the Groups.io side of the transfer, which is probably the simplest way to handle it.
Shal

I think your last paragraph has it all sorted.. I agree..

So, my grateful thanks for the trouble you have taken here, and I will see what happens over the next couple of weeks. I'm now 80, and getting too old for this nonsense!

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Received from Shal Farley at 3/24/2019 01:49 AM UTC:

Mark missed this one (for some it's kind-of a big one):

* CHANGE: Only display photos in the Emailed Photos album that are
larger than 100x100 pixels.

Any chance this prevents seeing those annoying sig images, thus making it even harder to delete them?

I don't accept attachments or imbedded images so can't test in my groups.

Jim H

What is the feed page?

Don

NEW: The /feed page is now feature complete, including displaying

> chats, wikis, databases, new subgroups, and recent images sent as
> attachments.

That probably amounts to a "last call for comments" before it goes live.

Doug,

Yahoo would not accept my change of email, and blocked me from the
group which I own!

I don't recognize you from Y!GMF, if you'd like some advice in trying to get your new address connected to your group contact us over there.

There seems to be nothing I can do except pay them money (which I
won't do) to talk to a real live person, and who may be unable to help
anyway..

Be cautious with anyone asking for money. There are a lot of scam outfits out there pretending to be Yahoo Customer Care.

On the other hand there is a relatively new Yahoo! Account Pro service, which is paid, but given that your primary concern is a access to a Yahoo Group they probably won't know how to do that.

Can you please advise if IO can move this yahoo group to Groups.IO
using this blocked email address?

If you can still sign in to your Yahoo Account, the one that owns the Yahoo Group, then you can do what you need without email access. The key is being able to sign in using your original Yahoo account ID and password. Where the sign-in page says to enter your email address it means the yahoo.com address associated with your Yahoo account.

My group has one co-moderator who could use his email address. Would
this work?

As long as he can invite someone (the transfer address) to join the group, and then promote that new member to moderator status, then yes. He could do the Yahoo tasks for your group.

It is the privilege to promote a member to moderator that you might not have given him as a moderator. Many owners are hesitant to give out that privilege as it is effectively all-powerful, second only to being an owner.

He could become a co-owner of the new group.

That would allow him to do the Groups.io side of the transfer, which is probably the simplest way to handle it.

If you're leery about promoting him to owner you could take the steps on the Groups.io side and he could (in coordination with you) take the required steps on the Yahoo side.

Shal


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Hello.
I have owned a yahoo hobby group (toy and model trains) for 18 years. Last year I had to change my email address when my ISP stopped their local service.

Yahoo would not accept my change of email, and blocked me from the group which I own! There seems to be nothing I can do except pay them money (which I won't do) to talk to a real live person, and who may be unable to help anyway..

Can you please advise if IO can move this yahoo group to Groups.IO using this blocked email address?

My group has one co-moderator who could use his email address. Would this work? He could become a co-owner of the new group.

My Thanks.
Doug Harris
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Mark missed this one (for some it's kind-of a big one):

* CHANGE: Only display photos in the Emailed Photos album that are
larger than 100x100 pixels.


Shal


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Henning,

The zip file URL returned in the export data email message is not
usable, at least if received via gmail. I had to decode the raw
plain text version via the 'quoted-printable' translator.

Worked fine from Gmail's web UI for me.

One peculiarity, at least in Firefox with the settings I have, is that it produced a blank page. So one might think it didn't work unless one notices that the download indicator in the upper right corner went from black to blue (indicating a fresh download). From there I was able to open the zip file, which had the expected contents.


I wrote:

I used this feature about a week ago and didn't have a problem, but I
probably opened the message in Thunderbird, not Gmail's web UI. I'll
go take a look at it after work today, but any additional detail you
can provide may be helpful.

That didn't work, of course, as the link is only valid for 24 hours. So to test what you reported I made a new export request. But it did turn up a bizarre error page, which I'm reporting to support.

Shal


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Hi all,

This week's change log:



Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

CHANGE: In the Photos section, changed the default sort for albums and
within albums to be most recent first.
NEW: Remember sort field/order for the Photos section (not yet viewing
a specific album).

Yay! I've long advocated that each list view retain its viewing options (including sort order) as you navigate the site.

NEW: The /feed page is now feature complete, including displaying
chats, wikis, databases, new subgroups, and recent images sent as
attachments.

That probably amounts to a "last call for comments" before it goes live.

CHANGE: When viewing banned members, the column name is now Banned.
When viewing normal members of a restricted group, the column name
is now Applied.

This is inclusive of the date Invited or Direct Added. "Applied" seems better than the old "Joined", since it is not the date a person was approved nor the date they accepted a invitation (which "Joined" implied).

There was discussion (still for Restricted groups) of changing it to actually be the date the member was Approved, Accepted an invite, or was Direct Added - on the principle that would be the date the person could actually interact with the group. But the change would require adding a new field to the underlying database, so it looks like Mark decided not to do that.

CHANGE: When adding/editing an event, check by default the 'Send
Invite To Group' option.

I'm puzzled about this one. I thought it already was (and that was the complaint).


Comments about these are welcome:

BUGFIX: If a subscription's display name was not set and the user's
display name wasn't set, we would set ALL of the user's
subscriptions to the name we pulled from the From line in an email.
This would overwrite a display name previously set by a moderator.
BUGFIX: Fixed obscure redirect bug because 'groups.io' is a suffix of
the new enterprise group dgroups.io.
INTERNAL: Parallelized the deletion of attachments from S3 when we
delete a group, because it was taking too long.
CHANGE: When banning someone, we record the moment the person is
banned. Previously, if the person was a member, we kept the date the
person applied/joined and used that.

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal


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This is a copy of an email that I sent to all 1,000+ members of our group...copy any part of it:

I hate long emails sent to everyone when the email applies to only a few. This email does not apply to you UNLESS you use a Yahoo! email address to send and/or receive emails from the Amel Yacht Owners Group.?If you use a Yahoo! email address, please read the following.

Over half of the Amel Yacht Owners Group members use a Yahoo! email account. Many of these members were forced to add a Yahoo! email account because they wanted to register for our group when we were located at Yahoo!. That requirement no longer exists.

I am monitoring a small, but growing problem with Yahoo! email that you may not be aware of. It seems that Yahoo! is deleting "dormant accounts." Apparently, Yahoo considers an account dormant that has not been "signed in" for over a year. I am told that this has been a longstanding policy at Yahoo!, but only intermittently enforced. It appears that they have begun enforcing the policy. The fact that you send and receive Yahoo! email apparently isn't good enough for Yahoo! at this time. They appear to be considering your Yahoo! email account dormant, if you have not signed into the account in over a year. If an email account continues to bounce, Groups.io is forced remove the account from the Amel Yacht Owners Group email distribution.?They have removed over 100 members?from email distribution, and unfortunately, those people are not receiving this email. For more information on why and how this process works, go to?/static/help#bouncing? Don't panic, if you received this email, you have not been removed. But, if you haven't recently?"signed in" to your Yahoo! Email Account with your Yahoo! password and want to avoid problems, I suggest that you go to Yahoo! Mail ?and sign in with your password. Unfortunately, I cannot suggest anything else except possibly changing to another email provider. You can use any provider to receive group emails, but personally I would avoid Yahoo!, Hotmail, and Earthlink. Google is probably the best.

If you want to change your email delivery address in the Amel Yacht Owners Group:

1. Go to?
   Note:?If you don't have a password already, you will be prompted to create one from the main Groups.io page?
2. On the home page for Amel Yacht Owners Group, click on your name in the top right corner.
3. Click?Account.
4. On the login page that appears, enter your new email address in the Email field
5. Click the?Change Email?button.
6. Be sure to use your newly registered email address to send emails to the group

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Tommy,

Anyway, the emails warned me that my Oath accounts would be disabled
in thirty days unless I acted "now," starting by opening their email.
It sounded phishy so I deleted them on sight.

It may have been. I've heard of crooks copying a service's legit termination notice and replacing the links with links to their own exploit site. So I never encourage clicking in links on such messages.

Usually a legit site will give you a means to do whatever it is that needs to be done by logging into the site without using any link in the email message. That way you can be (reasonably) certain of getting to the legit site and not an impostor.

Shal


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Sounds like emails similar to ones I received from 'Oath.' I only received them in an old AOL account that I started over 15 years ago. I maintain it because, for some reason, several acquaintances refuse to use my Gmail account. They insist on emailing me to my old AOL account. They are both people I'm involved with professionally and I need to maintain contact with them. Anyway, the emails warned me that my Oath accounts would be disabled in thirty days unless I acted "now," starting by opening their email. It sounded phishy so I deleted them on sight. The thirty days ended weeks ago and nothing has happened.

tommy0421

If, during my (not quite) lifelong career as a programmer/developer I read every User's (Loser's?)Guide, Programming Manual, Compiler guide, etc?before?I ventured to develop my first program on a strange computer system, operating system, compiler or simulator I would have never had a chance to do much productive work.
So I've always treated Tomes on knowledge as Reference Material, not Requiredm Reading Material and let my errors by the guide to my reading.
While trying to provide guidance to a member of our advocacy group whose iris is stuck in an open position I searched our 20 year message archive.? But I was defeated by the fact that one of our Mentors, (experienced, and? smart and great communicator) had the condition noted on every post and unfortunately, she didn't use the Signature feature to execute her signature.? So I have her hundreds of posts showing up on every search.
Not only that but one of the two words in the Latin name of the condition gets differently misspelled by almost every one of those suffering from it so the variations were killing me and there are actually at least two different conditions that utilize the first Latin word.

firstword AND lastword wouldn't work because of the second condition with the same first word.

firstword AND NOT secondconditionsecondword wouldn't work because of the Mentor's signature in the text body couldn't be inhibited.
firstword AND lastword AND NOT thatmentor also was no good because of the frequent misspelling of secondwords second syllable BUT........wait for it
firstword AND last* AND NOT thatmentor was a winner because it allowed all forms of the second word's most common misspelling while eliminating the mentor

And voila! I had my perfect solution
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jonathon,

Oath has been pounding my AOL account with an "important message" of
some kind. I don't what it says, since their messages automatically go
to the trash.

If it really was from Oath you probably wanted to read it.

Oath was pounding one of my non-Yahoo accounts that it now owns,
requiring I login into a specific page, or lose the account.
All of the header data pointed to Oath being the originator.

As you (probably) know, during its brief existence Oath was the brand within Verizon that acquired both Yahoo Mail and AOL Mail. Now that brand is known as Verizon Media.


When Yahoo/Verizon needs to contact you with regard to your account they generally send the message to the account's address and also to every recovery address that you've listed in the account. So the non-Yahoo address may have been one of those.

Shal


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Aha. This explains a lot and educational for me. That was part of my
problem earlier, then, I was forgetting to reply to the subscription
notices, but have done so now, and seem to be seeing messages now.

Thanks very much!

Judy

Judy,

Once I get a subscriber notification, do I need to blank-reply back to
that message so the subscriber can start posting?

If you mean the message that says "Subscription Approval Needed" then yes. Until you approve them they are not a member and can neither receive group messages nor post to the group.

Either that or click the link in the message to view the Pending Member on the group's web site and approve the subscription there. Or, go to the Members page of your group. If there are Pending members it should open automatically to the Pending list.

Otherwise, probably not. In particular if you invited someone and they accept the invitation then you won't get the "approval needed" message - the invitation serves as pre-approval (but only if they accept it).

Shal


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On 3/20/19 10:20 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

Anyway, good to know and watch out for if client access to Yahoo Mail
doesn't count as activity that would prevent one's account from going
dormant. Do you know if you were using POP or IMAP to access Y!Mail?

A mix of POP and IMAP.

I setup the accounts using their non-US domains.

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Oath has been pounding my AOL account with an "important message" of
some kind. I don't what it says, since their messages automatically go
to the trash.

Oath was pounding one of my non-Yahoo accounts that it now owns,
requiring I login into a specific page, or lose the account.
All of the header data pointed to Oath being the originator.

jonathon

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